Rap music - when you hear it you want to | ADHD Information

Wow - very good taste!

This Alberta boy agrees with ya on most of it BCGirl LOL

Gotta say I'm impressed you are listening to big band - very eclectic! I also don't like music that sounds like it's done for a particular demographic rather than what the musician feels. Also I listen to musicians - those that know how to play instruments and sing without a computer to lip sync with.

Very interesting... I hope to hear more!

Too bad yer far off - I'd trade CDs with ya.

- Glen

I personally can't stand rap. I guess I just don't get it. And the repetitiveness drives me up the wall. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule... I don't mind a few of Coolio's songs - Gangsta's Paradise was good (although, if I'm not mistaken, I think it was a cover) , and Fantastic Voyage always got me bobbing in my seat when I heard it. But that's about it.

As for music I DO like, I like just about anything that is unique and has a good melody. I remember songs for their melody way more than for their lyrics (probably explains why I hate rap). I like everything from old Big Band to hard rock to classical. I have a deep affinity for the piano and the fiddle, and love it when rockers incorporate these elements into their music. I'm not a huge country fan, probably because, again, a lot of it sounds too similar. I hate just about anything "manufactured", and generally as a rule like to go for artists who actually write their own stuff.

This kind of fits with my topic "things that p*ss you off even with meds" but forgot to set up poll - so I'll start another discussion.

Music (rap is music too I'm told). Which way is everyone set in music likes/dislikes? Did this change with medication? Music you love, hate, tolerate?

Personally music died January 1, 1990. The Eighties for me was the last hurrah for real music. Most people (Milli Vanilli excluded) actually sang and not much lip syncing around. Even if you were ugly if you sang well we bought your stuff. Kurt Cobain was just a heroin addict in seattle and Rap was on the edge and not what everyone listened to (Blondie was the exception LOL). I do like some like some Green Day, No Doubt (not Gwen Solo that wierdo), anything played on Smallville or the Angel/Buffy series, mostly not though.

Just thought I'd put this out. Interested in talking about it? You can slap me if ya like too - I do hate country and that gets me slapped (and I don't get laid much the ladies love that country I have no friggin clue why).

Chat amongst yourselves! Go ahead!

- Glen

If you guys want GOOD rap music (that EXCLUDES fabulous, snoop dogg, and of course the worst of all fifty cent) LISTEN TO MOS DEF...

He even has songs empowering women. Yeah, it's hard to believe, but he does. Oh yeah, and Talib Kwali. They both seriously rock my world.

Plus, the beats they use are so complex and non-repetative, that I can actually listen to one of their songs all the way through!

Fifty cent is a fool, clearly one of those nine bullets has lodged into the section of his brain that controls your judgement. If I saw him walking down my street, I would stab him in the arm with the pin from the back of my "girls kick ass" button. He would cry like a baby, because he would be so scared by a girl actually standing up for herself instead of shaking her ass.

And, ladies and gentleman, you guys need to understand that teenagers (like myself) listen to this stuff because we are, not to be mean, very very dumb. The upper-class suburban white boys at my high school want to be cool. The poor minorities want to be heard. the record companies understand this, and they use it to make money, no matter how much is falsely inflates the haves, or unjustly deflates the have-nots.

If I hear Ludacris rap one more time about being a ganster, I will go to his huge mansion and pop the tires on his bently. That's about how "tough" it gets to be him...

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Except for Breed, this discussion was just a bunch of ignorant, intolerant, narrow-minded, self-righteous fools, sitting in their white bread worlds, running off their mouths condemning that which they are unable to appreciate as music. I'd ask if anyone has ever read Kurt Cobain's or Tupac's lyrics, but I really don't want to waste any more time reading opinions I don't care about. And what does this have to do with ADD/ADHD? What's the point of this little hate-fest anyway?To the one person who mentioned ADD, I dance to rap and funk better than anything- but I have ADHD, and it focuses my energy. I love all kinds of music- rap, metal(even Marilyn and Slipnot), country, jazz,funk, blues,etc. Too bad you guys don't. I'm glad I'm not you.

My problem with "new" rap is that it all sounds the same. I recently went dancing to a club and I just could not tell one song from another. Sadly, I only knew 6 songs (one of which was PUSH IT - good old rap :-) which does not speak much to me being up to speed on the latest music - and I just could not find any enthusiasm to dance except during those 6 songs. Now if this were the 80s, or even grunge, I'd be jumping up and down and pogoeing (anyone knows how to spell this?) all over the floor.

I wonder if this has anything to do with my being an ADD: since I have little patience with the music I find it hard to dance to while "normal" people would have no problem with it?

Dude... chill.

People have opinions... it's all gonna be ok. Just because they don't like your music doesn't make them ignorant. Plus, you have to admit... Chingy is terrible. Honestly. I love rap, but Chingy makes me want to cry.

Good for you that you like music, just, you know, don't take it so seriously. Tupac wouldn't have freaked out, because Tupac was chill.

I once asked my daughter as we were riding in her car, "how come you don't put the radio on a station that comes in better"...She informed me that it was one of her CD's!?!?

I like many different kinds of music. Classic rock, Classical, Country...But I think I'm too old to appreciate rap.

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To balance out the sides & to offer an explantion on some things you may not be aware of, I want to present a pro-rap commentary. First off, let it be known that I am a near 35 yr old African American Male...As a member of Gen. X, I was a part of the youth culture that STARTED The Hip Hop Movement, which INCLUDES Rap Music(Lesson #1: Hip Hop is the CULTURE, and rap is the MUSIC of that culture). Now my tastes do run eclectic as well...My collection runs the gamut from DR DRE to MICHAEL BUBLE(he's kinda "neo-Frank Sinatra"); I can listen to 2PAC's "California Love" & turn around & listen to DOLLY PARTON'S "HARD CANDY CHRISTMAS" with the same fondness.

Having said that, let me give you one thing: RAP DOES SUCK. At least, TODAY'S Rap Sucks...What was once a message-oriented music built to be the voice of a disenfranchised(sp?), and ignored segment of American society or even just a Party/Feel Good music for the era's youth has now become corrupt, evil, hollow, & soul-less...Radio has all but killed rap...Years ago, radio would not even PLAY rap. Now all you have to do is flip the dial & you can hear the bile that poses as rap music. Rap music used to spin tales of intelligent, creative youths that just wanted a better life out of the ghettos...Now, these rappers claim to have made it out of the ghetto, but the ghetto(the negative aspect of it) never made it out of THEM.

Pioneers like Run DMC, Eric B & Rakim, Whodini, KRS-ONE, The Fat Boys, LL Cool J & perhaps the GREATEST Rap group of all time, PUBLIC ENEMY defined a generation w/classic party jams that kept the youth dancing like Rock & Roll had done years before w/Baby Boomers. The lyrics had thought to them...Moreover, those thoughts had WEIGHT. In my humble opinion, The Greatest Rap Album of all time is Public Enemy's IT TAKES A NATION OF MILLIONS TO HOLD US BACK...listen to it & FEEL the undeniable POWER of Rap Music...It's social & political...most of all, it's IN YOUR FACE, as all important Music of ANY genre should be...(also check out P.E.'s APOCALYPSE 91: THE ENEMY STRIKES BACK).

Rap today is done mostly by Generation Y(more lost than Gen X EVER was)...They have lost sight of the ART of the music...Heck, they never even LEARNED the art...Technology has made it possible for any idiot w/ a few bucks & dumb female friends naive' enough to pose near(or sometimes even ALL the way) naked to make a video & CD(whatever happened to calling them ALBUMS?!?). Invention has been scrapped in favor of riding the bandwagon, laziness, misogyny(sp), materialism & THE OUT & OUT promotion of ignorance & SELF HATRED.

What way could I demonstrate the difference between THEN & NOW? How about this: You're someone who grew up on THE BEATLES or ELVIS in the early stages of rock & roll & you have a genuine LOVE for that music & then you hear crap like MARILYN MANSON or SLIPKNOT...Did that register?

To sum up...Rap WAS good & still can be...There are some new cats out there w/respect for the music & the ARTFORM...but they don't get the airplay of of the other "rappers" or should I call them CRAPPERS???"

Repect to Hip Hop Always,

Breed

glen, music did indeed die in 1990

breedlowe -

I am with you - this discussion is getting a mite bit overheated for my taste as well. Guess I should have known that it would become an issue of something other than peoples like or dislike for the misogynistic, hateful breed of lyrics and cultural bend that comes along with what's known today as rap. Personally I'm pretty color blind - I judge what a person does and what comes out of their mouth over what their skin looks like. The person I hate the most these days is George W. Bush - very white and he's lovin' it!!

The thing that makes me intolerant to the whole rap genre is having to listen to the lyrics. If they weren't so offensive to - well - everyone then I'd be ok with it.

If I may....African American's have a difficult time saying "s's". It is almost the exact same thing as having a lisp. The genetic structure of their tongue to teeth is just different enough that it make it difficult to say ask, hence they use axe. You will notice many other words that have the letter "s" that they have difficulty saying. They can't help it any more than you can help being an add'er. [QUOTE=Todd] [QUOTE=breedlowe]

It's not because you're too old. It's because it isn't music. Music is made by instruments, not by some guy that can't pronounce simple words like "ask" hitting a button 600 times with one finger.

WHAT IS THIS ABOUT"some guy that can't pronounce simple words like "ask"???

What does this have to do w/the Topic? An open intelligent discussion is great...I even love a friendly Debate...But the one thing, THE ONE THING I hate...is when someone takes 2nd & 3rd helpings off the stupidity plate...and what's the reason, what's the basis? The crap statement you made Sounds Ignorant & Racist...

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How is that racist? I didn't bring up color at all. White and black guys both say "he axe me that dawg, yannowaaahmsayin?" It has nothing to due with race, only sheer stupidity.
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All I know is that if my little neice, who lives in Georgia picked up a cute lil southern drawl, and started saying "y'all", her mother would think it was the cutest thing. But if she started saying " I axed you", it would be corrected.

There is nothing inherently wrong with pronouncing asked axed. They are just arbitrary sounds strung together. People use sounds to convey meaning, and the sounds they use have nothing to do with how smart they are- only culture identification, and/or shared knowledge of what the sounds mean.

Sounds only become wrong when they are used by people who you think are inferior, and should not strive to be like. Southern yall is cute, and axe is not cute, only because of opinions of people who use those words.

That is where racism comes in, even if it was unintentional. Besides, in music people use nonsense words and la la la's all the time, that contain NO meaning. You might like lots of these songs, and never thought to accuse the musicians of speaking wrong, thereby accusing them of "sheer stupidity"

GarbagePailKid38616.9328356481 [QUOTE=rayray812]

its called reaffirmation of identity,

brush up on your socio-liguistics, till then zip it

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No, I was not talking about reaffirmation of identity. I am talking about people using words(and grammars) they know, because those are the words they know. You calling a schoolbus a schoolbus has nothing to do with reaffirmation of identity, at least not consciously. It has to do with hearing the word schoolbus. Simple. Same goes for axe.
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its called reaffirmation of identity,

brush up on your socio-liguistics, till then zip it

[QUOTE=rayray812]

its called reaffirmation of identity,

brush up on your socio-liguistics, till then zip it

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lol, I'm sorry for not using a term you like ("reaffirmation of identity.") All I meant was that Todd's calling a dialect "sheer stupidity" IS racist. He was not insulting the music, he was insulting the people who make the music, calling them stupid. The posts were about who likes music, and todd said he thought the people making the music spoke like idiots.

Probably I should zip it, because I am not comfortable as a moralizing racism police, and because I don't give much of a sh** who likes/dislikes rap. Not because I need to study sociolinguistics, at your clever request.

Was it supposed to get THIS deep? Although I took minor exception to Todd's statement(which, IS, still his entitled opinion, agree or disagree), it didn't bend me out of shape to start a bunch of nasty snipes at one another, which is where this seems to be headed...

When it comes to something like Rap Music, it's very Subjective...It's a very culture-oriented genre even though it has crossed MORE racial barriers than any other form of music...It is WORLDWIDE. Is there a WHOLE sub-culture of kids in Japan, Germany, Africa, etc. that are Totally into Jazz, Country/Bluegrass, or Heavy Metal? Probably so, but more than likely, you will find them into HIP HOP, The Culture AND the music...This is the POWER of Rap...

The great thing about Rap also is that you can adapt it to blend w/your culture...You can take African Drums or a Japanese Wind Instrument & make your own form of Music...I've even heard Bagpipes in Rap...(House of Pain, anyone?)..I've heard people rapping in Chinese, French, and funniest of all, I heard someone trying to Rap using KLINGON! (I kid you not!)

Bottom line, is I just wanted to extoll(sp) the virtues of a genre of LEGIT music that my generation ushered in...

Celebrate The Love, The Differences, & the BEAUTY of an OPEN DISCUSSION...

Peace & Love to all...

Great points everyone!! Wow love the action I'm seeing!

When I rant about Rap - I mean the present day snoop dog, eminem, et.al - not the original art form created in the late 70s.

The original stuff was edgy - but always had a story, strong moral edge and a truly poignant direction. "sometimes I wonder how I keep from going under". Good stuff then.

Now it's all about "I'm a big stud with lots of money and cars. I beat my women (whores/hos), kill my enemies and don't obey any law. I snort more cocaine than you and if you dare challenge how cool I am I will take you out."

I catch the occasional video and I wonder how it gets aired? It's close to porn as you can get legally - and it's without story or meaning - just boobs, money, cars, boobs, guns, guys crossing their arms. It's like a pissing contest!!

If I did have kids I'd get the V chip and keep it from the house. I'd first of course play the rap to them and explain what is the reason it's bad. I find if you run through why it's bad with good arguments that many children actually come out of it with a better attitude.

Keep it coming! I'm really getting good info here!

- Glen

In Response to Todd:

Respectfully, your opinion is your own & you are entitled to it.

To say it is not music is VERY wrong...It's as legitimate as any other & what you said about real music being made by a MUSICIAN playing an INSTRUMENT...Music is made through the MANIPULATION of an instrument. I could have a trumpet right in front of me, but if I don't know how to MANIPULATE it, then there IS NO MUSIC. If I can properly manipulate a drum machine or keyboard, then I CAN make good music...

Now, on the flip side, I can see some validity in your argument...I'm a child of the 70s & 80's...Nothing like a good FUNK BAND...Funkadelic, Cameo, The Time, The Commodores, Earth Wind & Fire, etc., Brothas w/Big Afros getting FUNKY on a guitar, laying down some NASTY grooves, or some James Brown/Fred Wesley Horn section blowing....

One of my FAVORITE MUSICIANS(somebody playing an ACTUAL musical instrument) is RICK JAMES(God rest his soul)...before he became The Dave Chappelle signature Joke, he was one of the NASTIEST BADDEST guitarists around...Put on his album STREET SONGS & just get DOWN...

I had the advantage of being born at a time when I could straddle these two great eras & have LOVE for BOTH genres.

As I said, your contention DOES have some weight to it...but not much.

Music is Music...LIVE WITH IT...or don't.

Breed

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But I think I'm too old to appreciate rap.

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It's not because you're too old. It's because it isn't music. Music is made by instruments, not by some guy that can't pronounce simple words like "ask" hitting a button 600 times with one finger.

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Todd, he can pronounce the work ask, and what do accents/dialects have to do with what's music?
I'll sadly admit it, I used to listen to rap, hip-hop, and r&b when I was a kid. But that was before it got really really really REALLY bad! Frankly, when I was listening to it, I was in my own world, not even paying attention to the lyrics anyways. I think that's what's supposed to happen when you listen to music anyways,right? Daydream yourself away!!? Now as an adult, I don't even care for that crap anymore. I've moved on to better things.

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But I think I'm too old to appreciate rap.

Actually Todd - I don't think they even hit any buttons anymore! They used to take samples and mix in their own extras - but now it seems that they just take some old song and loop it over and over. No kid seems to notice as long as the drum beat can be clearly heard from their car with the windows closed at 2 miles distance at least.

I think we can all appreciate the "old-school" rap if we go and blow off the dust. I'm not talking tupac shakur - saw the name bandied about - he's crap. or "was" as one of his rivals hit him a while ago. Kids - he's no more a hero than Kurt Cobain.

That's another one I hear kids and even adults revere. I cannot give any respect however small to some spoiled seattle brat who makes it - then sits in the middle of his living room - surrounded by cash and heroin... then says to himself "Waaah! I'm so rich and everyone loves me!!!! Life's just not worth living!!" then he blows his brains out ?!?!?! It's every bit as bad as these spoiled new-age rappers walking around like life is an episode of "the sopranos". Ugh.

At least the rap of the eighties was uplifting and trying to talk to the places they came from originally. It often was about growing up poor in bad neighborhoods - fearing the gangsters and trying to be good for their overworked moms and not succeeding so well. They spoke of how the police harassed and attacked them and how they couldn't get to a job from where they were. All good points and the rhymes were sharp and understandable. Enjoyable even for a person so caucasionally afflicted as myself.

Ah, to go to the days where the majority of music could be understood - even if it had to be slowed down to do it.

Oh, one more thing... if I get audially attacked walking down the street by a crappy eminem track coming from someone's car I'm going to go postal and give chase. So if you don't hear from me for a while - you'll know why.

- Glen

Todd:

Why don't you try hitting a button 500 times with one finger, and see how many albums you sell?

I would assume the number would be approximately 0, or maybe it would equal the amount of friends/family members you have.

Wow - I am very glad to see that the hubub in my email box calmed itself down! I'm for sure anti-fighting and flaming and glad it didn't degrade beyond a hot discussion!

I think the whole ask thing is the pronunciation as "axe" that's drooled over into mainstream english. And if I'm not mistaken it comes from what they are calling now "ebonics" (sp?) - the inner city US african-american dialect that's been classified as a valid version of english during the late 1980s.

I don't mind some variations on english. It's a plastic language and it's constantly being chopped off on one end and tacked onto the other.

What I get bothered by is when the spoiled, affluent (more like effluent but I digress) middle/upper class brats begin to exploit and admire the ebonics as something that makes them seem cool or more connected with rappers and the like.

When I see kids who obviously have begged their parents for 200 dollars in look-alike Rap attire and begin to address me with "sup" - it makes me angry. Ebonics is a justified variant in the inner city - where the people there have been isolated and dis-integrated to standard english by social and financial means. They have no other option but to talk the local dialect and act according to local social norms.

However - when people begin to emulate it - not understanding that in fact they are reinforcing stereotypes and undermining their individuality and unique culture - they demean both their own culture and the culture they desire. Now if I could strip them of their family bonds and financial backing (aka daddy), and throw them head first into a inner city of my choice - they by all means talk the talk!

I probably shouldn't let it bug me - but it does a lot. The standard fare of 2000s rap and their hangers-on uphold a stereotype that african-americans in the inner cities of the US are all gang members - looking for nothing higher than gaining fame and friendship through ill-gotten money, drugs, demeaning their women and violence throughout. When you see the bright and eager kids from the inner cities reach out to escape the poverty - you don't often see the ebonics and hundred dollar t-shirts going along with the package.

In many ways as a white man in a white world I don't have much right to knock the culture of someone I have never met. My problem is when it hits the mainstream market - where it's used and abused until the next flavor comes along. If you saw Canadian music television you'd swear it was a direct feed from MTV. I've been to the big cities here and you'll never see the kids "popping a cap" in someone. Gad I can't believe I just said that - even type it.

Keep the discussion going for sure - but lets keep it civil ok?

Talk is always good - as long as it's constructive at the base.

- Glen

Look, I'm sorry for my comment earlier alright. But, I also want to say something. I am half black and one fourth German. As a kid I used to listen to rap and all that other stuff just to get an experience of what my culture was like and frankly I got tired of it. I understand that music is like an art, it's a free way to express yourself. But in my thought, there's music of the past and music of today and they're different. I really don't listen to music of today because in my thought, it's just music that's taken lyrics from old songs, I'm not saying all of American music is that way. But I kind of go with GlenW's thought on music and rap. That's just me. [QUOTE=breedlowe]

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How is that racist? I didn't bring up color at all. White and black guys both say "he axe me that dawg, yannowaaahmsayin?" It has nothing to due with race, only sheer stupidity.

You're right I am sorry for my comment. I apologize. By the way I am not a racist, I guess I should've choosen more appropriate words to state my comment I guess but words don't hit my brain fast enough due to problems please forgive me. This is what I should have said: I am someone who dislikes rap or that kind of music.

Wow fukaiotaku -

I'd say that is a big part of why you dislike rap!

Even if it was music I love - if it was piped through those annoying cars late at night I'd become very very testy and, like pavlov's dog I'd be growling every time it came around after that.

Primal beats are ok for me. I like electronica - which is pretty much the same droning drum beat at it's heart. I felt pretty sad when a lot of the music of my youth I love was taken as the homosexual communities' own. Couldn't play it around some people without putting out the flag of suspicion. Can't care less these days - they can think I'm whatever they like. But it was annoying.

For me - I can't ignore the words to any music. It's either my ADHD or OCD - but it's splitting hair as it doesn't matter where from really. It's the same reason I dislike country music, death metal and most of the other types. Modern rock (pop really no rock left now) is the same - I heard that stuff from gwen stefani and was very sad for a week! She started as a decent singer/writer and now she's a filth purveyor like the rest. Sigh.

But I'd really like to hear uplifting rap made today. I'd most likely buy it - I like lyrics that build up not destroy. I don't think that's just me either.

In Rap's defence - country was nasty and violent and just plain unlistenable way way before Rap ever showed up. Makes me shudder like cod liver oil.

- Glen

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Repect to Hip Hop Always,

Breed

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yup im 31, came up w/ snoop and metalicca (italian born by the way lived in USA since 1yrs old)

anyway its 2005 still knocking DRES CHRONIC & BIGIE , U2 and metalicca

time warp, funny thing is i have a young kid who works for me, he told me he likes the old stuff, i said well what do you like, expecting him to say led zep or the doors, he said guns & roses,

well time to turn on CD player oops bustah rhymes 95 the coming hasnt been taken out in 10 yrs,

got ya all in check