I WOULDNT HIRE HIM b/c ADD | ADHD Information

Not to be dramatic or anything, but:

I'm in high school, and reading all these posts scares the crap out of me. I notice some people being "different" towards me... but not all. My parents called my counselor to tell him when I got diagnosed, and now he implies that I'm not good enough to apply to the colleges I want.

If I've taken a ton of AP courses, why shouldn't I go to a prestigious college? And if some guy is qualified to be a foreman, give him the g-damn job! If you're wondering about the treatment he's seeking, or how well he did at his old job... then why don't you fricken ask! I'm sure if he's willing enough to tell you hes ADHD then he can tell you if he's on meds or not...

Swear to God, sometimes I wonder who should be running the country, the adults or the teenagers. This board has so many posts about how people lost their friends b/c of it. Adults are so weird! Yeah, some random chick in my english class may think I'm a weirdo, but she's just dumb!

Some of you are taking this the wrong way... SIMPLIFY. If he's good at the job, and he's done well before... THEN HIRE HIM. It's simple, it's logical, and its MORALLY RIGHT.

Just to prove to you guys that SOME PEOPLE have the idea straight... My AP Biochemistry teacher (it's hard, but ADDers dream, lots of things happening at once) kept pushing me last year to work harder and harder, and when I finally got my act together he said he was just waiting for me to become one of the best students in the class... So, ha! All of you who don't hire people because they're ADD/ADHD (whatever...) are missing out on the SMARTEST and MOST CREATIVE people in the world...

mullaru38618.6559143519 Biggest load of SH*T i ever read, and that was just the first post that i read..

I hire ADD people on a daily basis (we're a VERY big outfit, on average, we have more than 500 positions open at our facility alone).

ADD'ers are the best workers i have.. Trust me, the US Military wouldn't be as powerful as it is without the aid of tens of thousands of ADD folk working at the defense contractors.

If we ADD'ers can build the most advanced fighter planes on the planet, trust me, they can work in a simple construction company..

Once again, one giant load of bullsh*t with an extra dose of burned sheep put on top of it in the very first post of this thread. You should be ashamed of yourself dude. And people wonder why the economy is going to sh*t.. geez..

Gimme the guys phone number, i'll get him a job at the company i work for..

Hemmie, the disgusted one

PS: Mullaru, you're wise beyond your age.. keep it up and you'll go far.. Take it from someone who crawled his way from complete chaos during my schooling time to a high ranking executive, while having to deal with heavy ADHD.
Hemmie38618.7891782407 [QUOTE=Wordwoman]I can't open the about.com URL.[/QUOTE]

Hey WW,

She left out the http:\

Here, try this.

http://add.about.com/library/weekly/aa032201a.htm
[QUOTE=Let It Bleed]
[quote]There has never been a successful ADA lawsuit on the basis of ADHD.[/quote]

Source? According to about.com, there has.

Woman with ADD Wins ADA Case. Failure to accommodate ADD-linked tardiness ...
add.about.com/library/weekly/aa032201a.htm - 29k - Cached - More from this site - Save - Block

Also, you will find an extensive section devoted to ADHD in relation to ADA violations.

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You are both correct. At least as of March 2005.

The difference between the two is misleading, but true.

Wordwoman's case, referred to here http://subscript.bna.com/SAMPLES/ber.nsf/0/8d05c ad6e166fb1d85256fcf007c4865?OpenDocument
is in regards to "lawsuit", while Let It Bleed's reference, http://add.about.com/library/weekly/aa032201a.ht m is in regards to a "ruling".

A lawsuit is decided in court by a judge or a jury. The ruling was made by the EEOC, using a mediator of some kind, perhaps even a judge. It had the same significance to the employer, and to common law, in setting precedent that future rulings or lawsuits may follow. A civil suit could have followed the EEOC ruling, btw, unless within the ruling the acceptance of the penalty specifically precluded a subsequent suit on the same event.
I can't open the about.com URL.Source:
"Case law shows that no lawsuits alleging ADD as a workplace disability
have been successful, said Patricia Latham, a Washington, D.C., attorney
and arbitrator who specializes in Americans With Disabilities Act cases.
"If someone has ADD, that person may or may not be a person with a
disability under the law," she said. Employees claiming disability
discrimination must show both that they are qualified for the job and that
they are "substantially limited" in performing a major life function. Recent
case law has ratcheted that up to showing a "broad and pervasive"
limitation, she said.

"That's not always an easy window to fit," Latham said. "And I don't see
anything trending back the other way."

full articleWordwoman38618.5675925926So, Let It Bleed. If someone applied for a job as a truck driver and said, "I
have an eye problem. I can't see" -- would it be discriminatory if he
wasn't hired?

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that if the applicant said, "I have an
eye problem, but I can see fine with the right glasses," it indeed would be
discriminatory to exclude him. But if he really can't see, then the
employer won't want him to drive his truck.

The problem here is that RayRay's applicant said he was disorganized.
It's not about unfair prejudice about a medical condition. If being
organized is a prerequisite for the job, it seems to me that this isn't
discrimination.

Don't flame me! I'm not likely to be employing anybody in the near
future. This is just my reading of the situation.[quote]the reality is employers can do whatever they please. often the disadvataged dont have resources to defend themselves.[/quote]

You might want to fact-check that with the link I provided.

Are you a true business owner? Or do you just make-believe? I have a theory, and it has nothing to do with you owning a legetitimate business.

With all due respect, you know nothing of the in's and out's of running a succeful AND legal business.

[quote]the way i see it i protected the organization and families of employees.[/quote]

This is the way you should see it: You discriminated. You violated a federal law, and boasted about it on a public forum for all to see.

[quote]to say man, was i in a sh*tty spot. and had to make a choice[/quote]

Well, I'm so very impressed with your decision making skills. A very sophomoric choice. Perhaps the courts will make the next choice. If not now, someday.

[quote]Let It Bleed --- when you
mentioned in another post that you yourself where taking your last
company to court for discrimination over ADHD and had already won/
negotiated some significant compensations?[/quote]

You're confused. I have never taken any of my employers to court or alluded that I had.

[quote]There has never been a successful ADA lawsuit on the basis of ADHD.[/quote]

Source? According to about.com, there has.

Woman with ADD Wins ADA Case. Failure to accommodate ADD-linked tardiness ...
add.about.com/library/weekly/aa032201a.htm - 29k - Cached - More from this site - Save - Block

Also, you will find an extensive section devoted to ADHD in relation to ADA violations.

Let It Bleed38618.5027777778

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from my bigoted hiring practices to coew,

for christ sake take your meds dave, if you ever want to work in this town again

hahaha

but we already incinerated all our dairies in the UK --- maybe you didn't
see the footage huge burning piles of mad cows. quite mad. the cows
and us - i reckon.

if i could be bothered to look for them and then do that clever posting of
images i might post it here --- but hey, even breaking it down it's jes too
much hassle... you'll have to use your imaginations insteadchjones38616.9821875[QUOTE=rayray812]

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Cuz chJonesy's

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your fired!

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[QUOTE=rayray812]

for christ sake take your meds dave, if you ever want to work in this town again[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ordnancew0man]Bullsh*t, Davidordanado! Not on my behalf, thank you.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wordwoman]Your claim that the Iraq war is somehow about freedom of speech is
strange, sad, and wrong.[/QUOTE]

Well, eeeeexxxxxecute, me!

You claim what you do not know, woman.

I claim that Mr. President George W. Bush is protecting me from terrorists with attitudes like yours that stir the pot of bitter hatred like demonized witches b/c of their dysfunctional abusive pasts that you won't let go of in submission to God, so live their lives in a Godless existence that leads y'all to criticize, main, wound, and randomly KILL inoccent Women, children, and men, discriminating indiscriminately.

So don't focus your psychobabel on this ADDer, wordlesswimpman, post to your heart's content, and see how you, your family, and loved ones enjoy the next event of mass murder execution precipitated by cowardly weakeness.

BTW, how would you handle the situation? Like President Clinton didn't?

[QUOTE=Let It Bleed]

rayray812,

You are in direct violation of federal laws by your own admission.

In fact, you've been very telling on this public forum of your bold violations of Title VII, the ADA, and the ADEA.

I'm almost certain this all has been documented by now. What I'm not sure of is who, exactly, can and cannot file a complaint with EEOC. If I can, I will. This prospective employee was a victim of discrimination.

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/adahom1.htm

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PMS, bleeder?

[QUOTE=Wordwoman]There has never been a successful ADA lawsuit on the basis of ADHD. [/QUOTE]

Stay tuned...

[QUOTE=CrazyChick78]Dave,

first let me say I am not jealous of Ray. We all have something we are jealous of lets face it, but being a successful buisness owner is the least of it. Second I am not a bitter person. I have reached a point in my life where I am tired of people telling me that just becaue I have add that I am dumb or incapable of doing anything. You're right, maybe bitter was a bad word choice. Let me put it to you this way, after getting beat down so many times, eventualy you will get mad enough to do something about it. And no, I do not "stew on the memories" , but I do use them to motivate myself to be a better person. Thirdy I am one of the most accepting persons of add that you will ever meet. No, I do not wear a shirt that says "I have ADD", but I live with it every day. I don't use it as a crutch, I don't blame it for every little thing that goes wrong in my life, I just deal with it as it happens. I don't blame anyone else for my screw ups. I'm grateful you served our country, I have several members of my family that were in the millitary and were at war, so I don't need to be guilted about freedom of speech. [/QUOTE]

Sorry, Ma'am,

I was being incindiary. Please forgive me for intentionally hurting you.

My apologies,

David

[QUOTE=Davidornado][QUOTE=Let It Bleed]

rayray812,

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PMS, bleeder?

stuck pig

the reality is employers can do whatever they please. often the disadvataged dont have resources to defend themselves.

the way i see it i protected the organization and families of employees.

wasnt fun since i know how guy feels & challenges he faces. i posted this saga

to say man, was i in a sh*tty spot. and had to make a choice

Dave,

first let me say I am not jealous of Ray. We all have something we are jealous of lets face it, but being a successful buisness owner is the least of it. Second I am not a bitter person. I have reached a point in my life where I am tired of people telling me that just becaue I have add that I am dumb or incapable of doing anything. You're right, maybe bitter was a bad word choice. Let me put it to you this way, after getting beat down so many times, eventualy you will get mad enough to do something about it. And no, I do not "stew on the memories" , but I do use them to motivate myself to be a better person. Thirdy I am one of the most accepting persons of add that you will ever meet. No, I do not wear a shirt that says "I have ADD", but I live with it every day. I don't use it as a crutch, I don't blame it for every little thing that goes wrong in my life, I just deal with it as it happens. I don't blame anyone else for my screw ups. I'm grateful you served our country, I have several members of my family that were in the millitary and were at war, so I don't need to be guilted about freedom of speech.

Ray..... I HAVE worked for a disorginized boss before. That was the irony of the situation. I'm not saying it was the wrong decison to hire the guy, you're right,it was a dumb move on his part. But to me, being so hard on all adders is being hypocritical. I resent the fact that you think someone with add could not get the job done, based on your own experienes, and therefore discriminate them.

If you want to nice cute "you go boy" posts, don't post a topic like this one. What did you expect. I don't care what you say or confess, just don't expect everyone to agree with you. If we all did it would be a very boring world. You feel one way, great, post it all day long, but I also have the right to say I don't like it.

[QUOTE=Wordwoman]Bullsh*t, Davidordanado! Not on my behalf, thank you.
[/QUOTE]

Go to Venezuela, then, but don't commie when you get there.

I won't see YOU in hell, eh?

I'll be in Heaven!

Thank Jesus!

Word!

God Bless Wordwoman!

ADD is an ugly little secret & should be kept that way. no sympathy or violins

think i like dropping 00 a year on add help? hell no

we all operate on different levels of life/society i do what my circumstances dictate to benefit me. i can understand anger of those that dont have the flexibility to do such. though i often envy the day is over im going home.

i am 31 yrs old been close to burn out prior to getting help, i know it sux.

but i aint nobody/s daddy

medicate reform conform . jeez if it i trusted him i coould have hired him worked him bone watch how it unflods keep or fire him b4 insurance would be available. so if you look at it like that i did not set him to fail, which ironically would have been a good bet for me, skilled labor no benefits to pay/match.

i clearly lit a fire w/ this one.

There has never been a successful ADA lawsuit on the basis of ADHD. But
I understand that this is a painful topic for many of us.

Ultimately I think RayRay has done this board a favor, because there is
often a naive belief that employers can't discriminate and have to
accommodate, and that they'll be sympathetic when we talk about our
ADHD. RayRay's applicant may have believed that very thing, and lost a
chance at a job as a result. This is a cautionary tale.

Bullsh*t, Davidordanado! Not on my behalf, thank you.
Your claim that the Iraq war is somehow about freedom of speech is
strange, sad, and wrong.

rayray812,

You are in direct violation of federal laws by your own admission.

In fact, you've been very telling on this public forum of your bold violations of Title VII, the ADA, and the ADEA.

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/adahom1.htm

FU!!!!!!!!well, i wasn't gonna get involved in this thread because i felt a bit like -
and what??? but

is it not a little hypocritical Davido to attack, and a particularly offensive
and derogatory way to attack someone aswell, Let It Bleed --- when you
mentioned in another post that you yourself where taking your last
company to court for discrimination over ADHD and had already won/
negotiated some significant compensations?

feeling a little PMS when you decided to do that?

there is no need for anyone to take rayray to court and it is true he can
hire whom he chooses.

however to decide that a person (when he has no clue as to whether the
guy is the most efficient person in the world on meds or not) - is
incapable on the basis of having an ADD diagnosis is discrimination. and
making an uninformed, biased judgement which is ignorant at that ---
WHEN one considers all the glowing praise that the medications get
around here, the prospective employee ought to be the most focused,
organised guy on the planet, no?

you CANNOT know that the guy will be incapable and disorganised on the
basis that he is medicated for ADD. the only way you can find out
whether he is incapable and disorganised is to phone his previous
employers and check his references --- then you can make your decision.

or you can simply decide that you don't like the cut of his jib and that you
prefer, for unspecified reasons, Bob Smith. but the trouble is that rayray
said quite deliberately that he jumped to the conclusion he would be
incapable based on his admitting to his ADHD condition.

you seem a little on the edge today. i hate to suggest PMS....

"Please forgive me for intentionally hurting you."

and exactly why would you want to intentionally hurt someone? when
you are all for freedom of speech - suddenly what?

someone has a different opinion and they deserve to be hurt for that?

is that what you believe?

not that i want to be oppositional but it just seems a bit mean.chjones38616.9562731481

lol jumped the gun, he left a truck in drive got out to get tools from back

truck drove in drive into an customers 90k benz

man what an ADD move, poor sob

word travels fast in biz.

well, you know rayray --- that's fine. you don't have to take pity on the
guy just because he has adhd and feel you have to hire him...

if he is useless then - that's fair enough.

honestly, i wouldn't hire myself. i KNOW i wouldn't get the job done and i
think i posted that in another post somewhere anyway. but that's only
because i am not on the meds....

anyway this whole post is ridiculous --- i never wanted to get involved in
it in the first place!

Hey chJOnesy,

Naw, just

ODD

[QUOTE=chjones]"Please forgive me for intentionally hurting you."

and exactly why would you want to intentionally hurt someone? when
you are all for freedom of speech - suddenly what?

someone has a different opinion and they deserve to be hurt for that?

is that what you believe?

not that i want to be oppositional but it just seems a bit mean.[/QUOTE]

Hey chJOnesy,

Naw,

How

ADHD

Welcome to our (AD?HD) THOUGHTLESS life.

Sure you're

AD?

i wish i wouldn't shoot my mouth off sometimes. i am gonna learn some
more self-control dmn it!!!

i like the shakespeare poem on the poem thread. i love shakespeare - i
think he is a class A genius....

[QUOTE=chjones]well, i wasn't gonna get involved in this thread because i felt a bit like -
and what??? but

is it not a little hypocritical Davido to attack, and a particularly offensive
and derogatory way to attack someone aswell, Let It Bleed --- when you
mentioned in another post that you yourself where taking your last
company to court for discrimination over ADHD and had already won/
negotiated some significant compensations?

feeling a little PMS when you decided to do that?

you seem a little on the edge today. i hate to suggest PMS....

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Hey chJOnesy,

Naw,

jes'

INCINDIARY

well get outcindiary

why not?

them cows don't want you in their dairy anyway

[QUOTE=chjones]i wish i wouldn't shoot my mouth off sometimes. i am gonna learn some
more self-control dmn it!!!

i like the shakespeare poem on the poem thread. i love shakespeare - i
think he is a class A genius.... [/QUOTE]

hEY CHjoNESY,

Don't!

Love

the

or is that diary ---

i should get one of those - might help me keep track a bit, eh?

a sin diary. hmmm sounds interesting>>>>

Hey chjonesy,

Need something to lite off the fuego, so can

INCINERATE

dIARies

TO PREVENT THE SPREAD OF MAD COW DISEASE

vs.

http://viswiz.imk.fraunhofer.de/~steffi/madcow/madcow.htm

[QUOTE=chjones]or is that diary ---

i should get one of those - might help me keep track a bit, eh?

a sin diary. hmmm sounds interesting>>>>[/QUOTE]

Hey chJonesy,

Better

than

diahrea

the

mouth

mind

the

case

may

I like the way that match turned out above, eh? I liked your refresherence to the Ham let, that's why I dragged you to the poe Eme thread...

[QUOTE=rayray812]

hey dave thanks for your support, raw image w/ the boots.

ray

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Yeah, I lost a friend from high school, and two more came back PTSD'd.

Now the Protectors of Our Freedoms are being bagged in the Middle East.

I salute them, other casualties, the men and women of our Armed Forces, and their CInC, President George W. Bush, for the STAND they are taking on my, yours, and Our behalf. Because of their sacrifices, including phsyt posted about them globally, CrazyChicks like Mrs. Sheehan can do and say their CrackedUp stuff.

And so can you and I.

BTW, sometimes I think the whole world is CraZy, except you and I. But then, occasionally, I have my doubts a/b you... *

God Bless America! God Bless Afghanistan! God Bless Iraq! (God knows, we all need it...)

*an old Hebrew proverb...

You remind me of the owner of a very succesfull airline I was reading about yesterday. He proudly announced that he did not need medication, but said he had a personal assistant and a accountant.

My point (and my last one) is most of us can't afford to surround ourselves with great organized people. Usualy because we have been fired form jobs due to our add.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know your situation. You may have started your company from the ground up and if so, I know that can't have been easy. I know there are hard decisions to make, but maybe you could be a little more conscientious when you post here. If you've ever been on the wrong side of the desk, maybe you would be a little bitter too.

Don't beat yourself up over the decision.

I used to own a company and I hired someone I KNEW didn't have ADD. She was my right hand woman! I needed balance to my company. That is just the truth. If you know your own weaknesses, you don't hire someone with those same weaknesses.

Now if you were an organization obsessed boss, it would do you good to hire a creative individual with ADD.

[QUOTE=rayray812] great to see ive come under attack for posting my expierience and how i felt about it, ...[/QUOTE]

Great! ADDitude, dude. I am so impressed by those who diss our freedom of confession, aren't you?

But, then, I remember my buddy's Boots, in a Bag, that came back from the Mekong Delta... but, he didn't...

tears for OUR fallen ones

Hey, Rey!

Let's Go!

post~al

...'s...

As Sheriff Woody said

You've gotta friend in meeee~

[QUOTE=CrazyChick78]I tried and tried to see both sides of this, but I just can't. You are a hypocrate. If you feel an adder can't run a construction crew, then you sure as HELL aren't capable to run a buisness. It dosen't work both ways. If you did not have add and did not understand it, maybe I can understand the attitude. I am not saying that this was the best person for the job - I don't have all the facts -but it's your superior attitude that irks me. Those who live in glass houses......... [/QUOTE]

DAvidornadog is an internationally unknown visionary capitalist who buries his creative talents in a wide range of ventures. He is an enormous successfully bankrupt entrepreneur and CEO founder of several enterprises that carry other�s impressions of chaos, impulsiveness�, distraction, and upheaval. He brought revolution to the thinking industry by claiming he was ADHD, and is unquestionably recognized as one of the most globally fascinating business leaders in his own mind. He started his first business selling worms to golfers and golf balls to fishermen while he was still in drammar school in Wawona.

[QUOTE=CrazyChick78]You remind me of the owner of a very succesfull airline I was reading about yesterday. He proudly announced that he did not need medication, but said he had a personal assistant and a accountant.

My point (and my last one) is most of us can't afford to surround ourselves with great organized people. Usualy because we have been fired form jobs due to our add.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know your situation. You may have started your company from the ground up and if so, I know that can't have been easy. I know there are hard decisions to make, but maybe you could be a little more conscientious when you post here. If you've ever been on the wrong side of the desk, maybe you would be a little bitter too.

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