It is a fact that for every revenue dollar a drug company gets, 12 cents goes to research and... 41 cents ... goes to marketing.
It is a fact that nearly 40% of the medical universities budgets are financed by "research grants" from pharmaceutical companies.
It is a fact that there are more registered drug company lobbyists on Capitol Hill then there are congressmen.
Drug companies routinely pay prominent doctors... tens of thousands of dollars... to sign as the author of medical essays to be printed in the world's leading Medical Journals.
Doctors are paid up to ,000 per day for allowing drug reps into the examining rooms. So that "doctor in training" just may be a drug salesman on your next visit to the doctor.
Drug company "gifts" range from free pens and coffee cups to 2 week vacations in the Bahamas.
Check it out... www.nofreelunch.org
These sites are helpful in pointing out drug[QUOTE=JHarman16]DOCTORS DO NOT GET INCENTIVES FROM DRUG COMPANYS. This is coming from a person whose father is a doctor and brother who works as a drug rep. This is highly illegal. Look at it like this, as it is basically the same, if a senator takes money from a lobbiest it is illegal same as for a doctor, it just doesn't make sense. Pharmacutical have alot of money for advertising and i think most of it goes toward the consumer because of the doctor not getting anything from it, recall a commercial it always asks for you to ask your doctor how he thinks not he will give this to you for no reason. Drug reps do however make money off how much medicane is sold to pharmacys. please don't confuse this with doctors making money. This is why they may have a big conference and absorb the cost of it [/QUOTE]
sorry jharmon.....i totly disagree with everything you said including the senators...is there a legit senator out there who isnt in it for the money? i personnally know 2 people in the pharmaceutical company and yes it is like mentioned in a previous post. it is not said but done, it is done all the time. have you not ever been in the drs office and hear a pharm rep say well let me know when dr so and so is available to talk i have these tickets, or whatever for her and these samples. dont be ignorant it is happening in the us and dont you think that is one of the reasons why our prescriptions cost so much?
i'm in agreement with brig.. i do think that there is an ethical issue between some drs and pharmaceutical companies.. thanks fellow b memeber....united we stand devided we fall.always We live in Maine now, but when my husband and I were seeing a psychologist in Virginia, he and a few others had branched off from the clinic. He confided in us that they were uneasy working there because there was alot of pressure to put people on medications. While he can't prescribe medicine, he could refer us to the guy whose a psychiatrist and can, but he much rather work with the person on natural ways to treat disorders, using meds as a last resort.I am sorry if I mislead you. There are always people
that abuse any system put in place. This is why most stimulate medicines
for ADD are schedule 2 due to the high likelihood of abuse, not by usually by
us adders. There is always somebody who wants narcotics for recreational
use, no matter what happens. The same applies for senators, doctors, and
anybody else in a position of elevated power. I am sorry if I appear to
be criticizing somebody or their beliefs, I am far from doing that please
understand. It is just one of those things that I feel, yall will agree
with me about is that not ever doctor is about perks of power. There will
always be somebody who abuses power. I am just saying that if you have
ever seen so of the stuff drug reps have given to doctors it would make you
laugh due to its quirkiness. I mean a lot of it is pens, cheap ties, or
stickers or some other sort of junk, you may have been given some of it
possible a bag of something of that nature. Most of this stuff people
throw away. There will always be the few drug reps that offer decent
items, including meals and other things of value. But as I am writing
this please understand that, from what I understand of drug reps which may be
completely wrong is that all they are doing is trying to persuade doctors to get
a brand name in his/her head just like advertisements. Now in saying this
I am not putting down anybody. I am just trying to put the point across
that drug reps do get paid due to sales, in general. So if
they push something hard enough they will usually get a result in the
end. Just please don't think that, in general, doctors and other people
of influence are doing things due to monetary and tangible beliefs. I am
sorry if this is long and grammatically incorrect.
Sorry to add but if doctors were getting kick backs
from
drug companies then any patient would be on blood pressure,
anti-histamine,
heart burn, or any other medicine that is offered. Sorry if this
doesn't make
much sense. But i can see where the sytem is abused in many different
situatations. I am just trying to get the point that not every
body is in it for the money, which i know you and almost everybody else
feel. There maybe alot of bad Doctor stories but there are just
as many good doctor stories that have changed many peoples lives
including mine wih me diagnosis with ADD
i was not stating that all drs were thaat way but i have not met a pharmacutical rep that wasnt that way. most offer meals, free plane tickets, and other expensive things to push there drugs first. and there are alot of drs that do this may it be wrong or right. i am lucky to have a dr that will not meet with one therefore never has samples. i have moved a lot in my life and she is the first dr that believes what the pharmacuticals are doing is wrong. i am not saying that any of your family members in the medical profession are one of them but i have yet not heard of a pharmaceutical company that doesnt do this or at least try to do it. it is all about the almighty dollar in this country. therefore us consumers have to pay the price in the long run for this type of behavior. i am only typing in large type as i have a hard time reading small print when my meds are worn off and at this time of night.
i am sorry we are not on the same page in this matter and i hope we can agree to disagree in this matter.
but i also believe if what you just posted you agree to a certain extent to what i posted previously
I am glad we are not having a yelling match about
this!! it just shows how people can have a civilaized conversation
about something
I find it absolutely fine to agree to disagree on the matter
and I fully support what you said about there being some great doctors.
The almightily dollar is sadly what I feel is the reason our economy is
the way it is, sorry if that sounds contradictor, I think that profit is
good especially for things in the technology industry. I say this kind of
naivety. But a good example is to look old communists countries they don’t have
the bet health care because in general, from what I feel. People don't want to
go to 4 more years of school along with the rankings associated with it to earn
the same as a person who only goes for a B.A. I guess it is the same when
comparing a B.A. and a PhD. There needs to be some type of
incentive. I understand this is nothing what you explained and has pretty
much nothing to do with what you said, but it is a society based on
money. I find it great that you found a good doctor as I have had the fortunate
to do so also.
I am glad we are not having a yelling match about this!! it just shows how people can have a civilaized conversation about something
I find it absolutely fine to agree to disagree on the matter and I fully support what you said about there being some great doctors. The almightily dollar is sadly what I feel is the reason our economy is the way it is, sorry if that sounds contradictor, I think that profit is good especially for things in the technology industry. I say this kind of naivety. But a good example is to look old communists countries they don’t have the bet health care because in general, from what I feel. People don't want to go to 4 more years of school along with the rankings associated with it to earn the same as a person who only goes for a B.A. I guess it is the same when comparing a B.A. and a PhD. There needs to be some type of incentive. I understand this is nothing what you explained and has pretty much nothing to do with what you said, but it is a society based on money. I find it great that you found a good doctor as I have had the fortunate to do so also.
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i am in total agreement on our economy and too find it disturbing. and agree with what you just posted....sometimes i feel we all need to vent on what we truly believe in.. thanks for the debate and no hard feelings..
and i am glad we can agree to disagree. we are adults and that accounts for something..i still hope that you post your feelings on here as will i.
Well, one thing that struck me when I went to my son's doctor for his meds. With ritalin we were given a coupon from the drug company for a free perscription. Then when he switched to adderall we were given a whole packet from the doctor. It was a whole plastic folder full of materials promoting their drug, pencils, a pencil holder, an eraser, and a frequent buyer card that gives the customer discounts and perks! I feel like the companies absolutely were influencing what the doc perscribed. If not why would he have all that stuff for us? Did any of you experience the same thing?[QUOTE=momoftwoboyz]Well, one thing that struck me when I went to my son's doctor for his meds. With ritalin we were given a coupon from the drug company for a free perscription. Then when he switched to adderall we were given a whole packet from the doctor. It was a whole plastic folder full of materials promoting their drug, pencils, a pencil holder, an eraser, and a frequent buyer card that gives the customer discounts and perks! I feel like the companies absolutely were influencing what the doc perscribed. If not why would he have all that stuff for us? Did any of you experience the same thing?[/QUOTE]
my point exactly
They definitely doe that that. But I think they do it for a
reason. I have seen read allot of posts on the forum about the price of
meds. It is one of those things that the doctors feel better, along with the patients, giving the
patients a discount on medicine since I believe that they do realize the
difference in prices of drugs but it is an awkward situation to ask somebody about
medical insurance coverage, it is a sensitive area. At least that is how I
think it is. If you were in he same position wouldn’t you give the
patient a free sample so he/she doesn't buy a 30 day supply of something that
doesn't work or causes a bat reaction to. I blame this solely on the drug
companies but that is what helps them offset the cost of developing
drugs. I feel as if the doctors are an unknowing style of a middle man
with the responsibility of keeping track of thousands of medicines with the
risk of mal-practice suits at every corner. Which is why I believe in the
patient needs to research his condition and not place their entire trust in a
person susceptible to error. I agree totally with you brig on the corporate
influence and am glad you pointed out your experience.
i dont remember where i researched it at....but my aunt is in the pharmaceutical company and they do...you just need to find a doctor like i have that you can trust and know that they wont do that
How can I find out if my (or any) doctor gets any incentive from a drug company to push its drug over others? i really believe it is....i just cant remember where. ask davidornado he is great at finding things that are true and can back up anything he tells you. my god mother is a pharmacist and says that the drs do it.