RITALIN = COCAINE !! | ADHD Information
I see your pictures now David-namefortheday. Don't let your girlfriend Sheri.m see it.
Cindy....you cracked me up....(the silly rabbit).. ...but they are silly trolls silly Cindy.
Good catch...that was an 10 yr. old article. They have to dig deep to try to find articles to back their way of thinking.
If anyone is interested in both sides of the story, I found this article written December 12, 2002. it is a result of a 10 year study of Ritlain. I just think that information should be balanced.
http://www.detnews.com/2002/health/0212/13/a01-34099.htm
the article is Called " Ritlain is Safe - and it works - Research dispels fears that drug hurts kids, and finds that it actually helps brains grow"
It is your job to decide if it is valid or not, I offer no opinions
thanks kibbles i am gonna check it out as i am and my 6 year old on ritilin....
i dont think a peson can ever doenough research
[QUOTE=brig]i dont think a peson can ever doenough research
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AMEN to THAT!! 
Although I wish my grandmother would stop reading about medication... she is 72 and just finished chemo for breast cancer. They have tried to give her meds to help her energy level, stop the hot flashes, etc., and she never gets the scripts filled! 
She reads everything she can about them and becomes convinced she's going to get the side effects that occur only in .001% of patients on absurdly high doses...
I wish she'd just take the damn pills! 
So maybe she's the one person who can do too much research...
shakespeare38633.4809722222[QUOTE=shakespeare]Although I wish my grandmother would stop reading about medication... she is 72 and just finished chemo for breast cancer. They have tried to give her meds to help her energy level, stop the hot flashes, etc., and she never gets the scripts filled! She reads everything she can about them and becomes convinced she's going to get the side effects that occur only in .001% of patients on absurdly high doses...
I wish she'd just take the damn pills!
So maybe she's the one person who can do too much research...
[/QUOTE] yepr she is...but my grandparents are the same way and now my father is 52 or 53, cant remember is becoming that way....but i think the older a person gets the more paranoid they get....and i am talking in upper 60's and older.....my own opinion....but just from those i know...[QUOTE=shakespeare]Although I wish my grandmother would stop reading about medication... she is 72 and just finished chemo for breast cancer. They have tried to give her meds to help her energy level, stop the hot flashes, etc., and she never gets the scripts filled! She reads everything she can about them and becomes convinced she's going to get the side effects that occur only in .001% of patients on absurdly high doses...
I wish she'd just take the damn pills!
So maybe she's the one person who can do too much research...
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I know just what you are talking about. My Mom is 80 (she had me right before she turned 40) and she is very ill. She has COPD (never smoked or was around people who smoked) and her doc prescibed low dose of steriods. These help her breath, increase her appetite but all she can think of is the fact they do damage to your bones and so she skips them all the time. It doesn't matter that she is also taking a lot of calcium...she just has it in her head they are bad. No talking can chang her mind. She is skin and bones and I'm tempted to start sneaking them in her food.
My fake Cocaine is wearing off.
Can I have some fake Ritalin, now?
After all, it is Friday. OMG!...It's snowing!!!
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very hillarious mr davidornado....btw what is the x in the box for?
Well, at least the trolls are not putting their enlightening messages in a font the size of Texas.US Dept of Justice – DEA: Methyphenidate(Background Paper)
http://ablechild.org/dea%20report%2010-1-95.htm
U.S. Department of Justice Drug Enforcement Agency
(DEA)
Drug and Chemical Evaluation Section,1995
Methylphenidate (Ritalin®) - Overview
1. Ritalin is a Schedule II stimulate, structurally
and pharmacologically similar to amphetamines and
cocaine and has the same dependency profile of cocaine
and other stimulants.
2. Ritalin produces amphetamine and cocaine-like
reinforcing effects including increased rate of
euphoria and drug liking. Treatment with Ritalin in
childhood predisposes takers to cocaine's reinforcing
effects.
3. In humans, chronic administration of Ritalin
produced tolerance and showed cross-tolerance with
cocaine and amphetamines.
4. Ritalin is chosen over cocaine in self-administered
preference studies in non-human primates.
5. Ritalin produces behavioral, physiological and
reinforcing effects
similar to amphetamines.
6. Ritalin substitutes for cocaine and amphetamines in
scientific studies.
7. Children medicated with Ritalin who tried cocaine
reported higher levels of drug dependence than those
who had not used Ritalin.
8. Ritalin abuse is neither benign or rare in
occurrence and is accurately described as producing
severe dependence. Sweden removed Ritalin from its
market in 1968 because of widespread abuse.
9. More high school seniors were abusing Ritalin than
those taking it medically prescribed.
Side-effects of Ritalin: increased blood pressure,
heart rate, respirations and temperature; appetite
suppression, weight loss, growth retardation; facial
tics, muscle twitching, central nervous system
stimulation, euphoria, nervousness, irritability and
agitation, psychotic episodes, violent behavior,
paranoid delusions, hallucinations, bizarre behaviors,
heart arrhythmias, palpitations and high blood
pressure; tolerance and psychological dependence and
death
10. Ritalin will affect normal children and adults the
same as those with attention and behavior problems.
Effectiveness of Ritalin is not diagnostic.
CHADD, non-profit organization, which promotes the use
of Ritalin, also receives a great deal of money from
the drug manufacturer of Ritalin. CHADD does not
inform its members of the abuse problems of Ritalin.
CHADD portrays the drug as a benign, mild stimulant
that is not associated with abuse or serious
side-effects. Statements by CHADD are inconsistent
with scientific literature.
11. The International Narcotics Control Board
expressed concern that CHADD is actively lobbying for
the use of Ritalin in children.
12. Ritalin is one of the top ten drugs involved in
drug thefts and is being abused by health
professionals as well as street addicts.
Note from Dr. Block: Since Adderall and Dexadrine are
amphetamines, the above statements would also be true
of them.
BALANCED!!
So good of you to join us!! Shall I counter that claim, only to have you gloss over ever argument I present? 
Or how about the one where you apply your moral judgement to our lives... that's my favorite! So, how 'bout that genetic evidence of schizophrenia? Oh, that's right! There isn't any! It must not exist...That's a picture of me snorting fake Ritalin in a snowstorm on a snowy mountainside during a white out. The red x is the transport en route... then I went away...Can you see me now?
Looks like another person that typed "Ritalin is bad" in their search engine and suddenly knows everything!
That study is 10 years old!!!
I feel sorry for YOU!! You are so busy posting these useless topics that you are missing the up to date facts!!!
Tisk.... Tisk....
Don't assume the people here are stupid you silly rabbit!!!
My fake Cocaine is wearing off.
Can I have some fake Ritalin, now?
After all, it is Friday. OMG!...It's snowing!!!
Balanced is not a troll yet...Just misinformed... we will see after He or she reads the comments to their post.
Cindy38632.8853703704Balanced, I don't think you are to &nbs p; &nbs p; &nbs p; &nbs p; balanced!!!
Shut up.......
[QUOTE=Cindy]Balanced is not a troll yet...Just misinformed... we will see after He or she reads the comments to their post.
Edited by Cindy on 07 October 2005 at 9:14pm
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Proud to "B" a member!!! [/QUOTE]
Hey Barb,
How'd ya get Cindy to "B" a proud member!!! of the B-club? I'm gonna tell someone...
Brig asked her. I must say I'm glad she did. Cindy is a great addition!
Maybe I should join, then...
cjustkidding!
any time Davie, any time ...[QUOTE=Davidornado]Can you see me now?
[QUOTE=shakespeare]BALANCED!! So good of you to join us!! Shall I counter that claim, only to have you gloss over ever argument I present? Or how about the one where you apply your moral judgement to our lives... that's my favorite! So, how 'bout that genetic evidence of schizophrenia? Oh, that's right! There isn't any! It must not exist...[/QUOTE]
now that was funny shakespeare.....good one.
Balanced is not a troll yet...Just misinformed... we will see after He or she reads the comments to their post.
Edited by Cindy on 07 October 2005 at 9:14pm
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Proud to "B" a member!!! [/QUOTE]
Hey Barb,
How'd ya get Cindy to "B" a proud member!!! of the B-club? I'm gonna tell someone...
hey dave it wasnt barb it was me....
[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Davidornado]Maybe I should join, then...
cjustkidding!
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sh*t head.,....u r too funny.....stop making me laugh with your wuirky jokes my stomache is starting to hurt
shakespeare, auuntie,cindy, liveadhd, barb and all the others then the one who started this rediculous posts......i couldnt of said it better than all of you did...That's a picture of me snorting fake Ritalin in a snowstorm on a snowy mountainside during a white out. The red x is the transport en route... then I went away...
Hilarious Davidornado!
OH NO.......can this be Kandy making a guest appearance?By all means, BALANCED, have at it...
ADHD and Substance Abusefrom Medscape Psychiatry & Mental Health
Posted 06/03/2003
Jay Giedd, MD
Parents are bombarded with conflicting information about attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and its treatment. Increased use of stimulant medications has sparked debates about whether more people are being appropriately recognized and treated or whether people are being overmedicated. A particularly powerful issue in these debates is the relationship between ADHD and substance abuse. Three questions often arise in discussions of this issue: (1) Are people with ADHD more like to develop substance abuse?; (2) Does using stimulant medication to treat ADHD lead to substance abuse?; and (3) Are the stimulant medicines themselves addictive?
The first of these questions, "Are people with ADHD more like to develop substance abuse?", is the least controversial and is answered in the affirmative by a plethora of epidemiologic data indicating that the diagnoses of ADHD and substance abuse occur together more frequently than expected by chance alone. Comorbidity of ADHD with bipolar or conduct disorder has a greater than additive effect on the risk of developing substance abuse. Furthermore, those with ADHD are at greater risk for earlier onset substance abuse, and even a family history of ADHD is a risk factor for developing substance abuse.[1]
The second question, "Does using stimulant medication to treat ADHD lead to substance abuse?", was recently addressed in a meta-analysis of 6 ADHD studies that contained adolescence or adulthood substance abuse outcome data on people who were diagnosed with ADHD as children.[2] The pooled odds ratio comparing substance abuse outcome in the combined sample of 674 medicated subjects vs 360 unmedicated subjects was 1.9, meaning untreated ADHD subjects were about twice as likely as ADHD subjects treated with stimulant medications to develop substance abuse.
One of the studies was conducted by pre-eminent ADHD researcher Russell A. Barkley, PhD, whose team followed 147 clinic-referred children with ADHD for approximately 13 years.[3] Parent and patient interviews were conducted at age 15 years and again in adulthood (19-25 years). Drug use/abuse details (alcohol, cocaine, amphetamines, all stimulants, marijuana, narcotics, sedatives, "others") and symptoms of ADHD and conduct disorder and were obtained and correlated with stimulant treatment in childhood and high school. Although there was no significant correlation between duration of stimulant treatment in childhood or high school and frequency of use of any drug in adulthood, the frequency of cocaine use in adulthood was higher among treated vs nontreated groups (treated in childhood, P = .059; treated in high school, P = .043). However, when covaried for the severity of ADHD and conduct disorder symptoms, the results no longer held, indicating that an interpretation that the stimulant medication use led to the cocaine use would be confounded by the phenomenon of those with the most severe illness receiving the most treatment and also having the poorest outcome.
Another of the studies was conducted by Joseph Biederman and colleagues[4] at Harvard, who examined subjects at baseline and then again 5 years later (mean age at follow up was 16 years). At follow up, substance abuse was found in 14 of the 19 unmedicated ADHD subjects (75%), 14 of the 56 medicated ADHD subjects (25%), and 25 of the 137 age-matched subjects in the control group (18%).
An interesting finding emerging from the meta-analysis was that stimulant treatment was far more likely to reduce substance abuse during adolescence (5.8-fold) than in adulthood (1.4-fold). Although the finding may be somewhat accounted for by adolescents not being fully through the age of substance abuse risk, it may, in fact, reflect a particular vulnerability of the adolescent brain to substance abuse.
The third question, "Are the stimulant medicines themselves addictive?", is being explored elegantly by the neuroimaging work of Nora Volkow. Research shows that the faster the rate of uptake, the greater the potential -- methylphenidate takes an hour to raise dopamine levels whereas cocaine takes seconds. One of the effects of stimulants is to block dopamine transporters, which are located on the presynaptic neurons and serve to remove the dopamine from the synaptic cleft. Using positron emission tomography, Dr. Volkow compared the potency of methylphenidate vs cocaine in blocking these transporters. To her surprise, methylphenidate was more potent than cocaine in blocking dopamine. A dosage of 0.5 mg/kg, a typical amount prescribed for children, blocked 70% of dopamine transporters.[5] This was widely misinterpreted in the general media with headlines such as "top researcher shows Ritalin no different than cocaine," even though Dr. Volkow was careful to stress in the same article that a key element of the addiction process is the speed at which dopamine levels are increased. Oral methylphenidate takes about an hour to raise dopamine levels in the brain. Inhaled cocaine takes seconds. Although differences in rate of uptake and clearance from the brain may seem subtle to the casual observer of neuroscience, it is hard to overstate the resulting profound differences in physiologic and psychological effects. The faster the rate of uptake, the greater the abuse potential.
One of the main advantages to the new generation of longer acting stimulants, such as Concerta, is that the methylphenidate is embedded in a thick paste that precludes IV use or snorting.[6,7] The medicine has little "street value" and is not often found in the possession of people arrested for drug use or distribution. Also, once-a-day medicines administered in the morning before school are much less likely than medicines administered at school to be given away or sold to other students.
The increased risk of substance abuse in untreated ADHD subjects has profound implications for parents, teens, and society. Stimulants are the most studied class of medicines in child psychiatry. Although all medicines have side effects and should be used judiciously, more than 1000 studies have demonstrated stimulants to be safe and effective in the vast majority of properly diagnosed patients receiving them. Perhaps more than any other medicines, stimulants seem to suffer from unfounded "bad press" -- most likely related to the public's blurring of the distinctions between them and drugs of abuse. Given the large number of people and their families potentially affected, efforts to help the public understand these distinctions would be very well spent.
Jay Giedd, MD, practicing Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist, Chief of Brain Imaging, Child Psychiatry Branch, National Institute of Mental Health where he conducts research on the biological basis of behavioral, cognitive, and emotional disorders of children. Particular interests include pharmacology, genetics, and brain imaging.
One of the questions that my doctor asked me when I was diagnosed was have I ever been on cocaine?
I have never tried it, but I asked him why he asked me that.
He said that people with ADHD or ADD react differently to cocaine and do not find it addicting. They don't use it as their drug of choice. It actually calms them down and makes them more able to concentrate.
Huh! I guess the Lord provides us with things on this earth that we need and we can abuse them (using cocaine illegally) or we can use them wisely (taking a prescribed amount of Ritalin or other ADD drug that helps us.)
Anyway --- Most ADD and ADHD sufferers are not addicted to Adderal or Ritalin etc. They are brought up to the level of concentration that other people are on when they take these medications. They do not get addicted. These medications help them to concentrate not to speed them up - believe me doctors and parents would not prescribe medication that speed up these little children that are already bouncing off the walls.
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Good job, 
Shakes put that Balanced in his space.
You should always consider the source.....
In this case.... NIMH..... and they are very heavily funded by DRUG COMPANIES !!!
The DEA doesn't get any direct funding from DRUG COMPANIES and they simply report on drugs. They say that Ritalin is too close to COCAINE in the way that it acts and the addiction problems associated with it.
You go ahead and believe the drug companies....
Eli Lilly... 1960... "A therapeutic dose of LSD is good for children"
1986... Just change the suicide attempts to " depression" (Prozac clinical trials in Germany).
GSK ... 1992... Paxil is not addictive
2003... Paxil is not addictive, but you may suffer a "discontinuation syndrome.
2004... Paxil is addictive and you will have to taper off the drug.
The FDA is not your friend either... at a recent Congressional hearing the head of the FDA was asked why the FDA refused Wyeth's request to strenghen their warning about suicide and hostility on their drug Effexor. The head of the FDA couldn't answer why the request was refused.
BALANCED, please take a minute to read my last post on the "Warning" thread if you want my take on the predators known as drug companies...Well, it's good to see we agree on something...
But, most people are unaware of how they are being sucked in to taking unnecessary and dangerous meds. They trust their doctors, who trust the drug reps and the FDA.
Haven't you noticed that most of the women on this board have a "My Child Needs Drugs" mindset ? That has to change.
Unfortunately, most of them are taking antidepressants and a very common "side effect" of SSRI a/ds is that women on them become extremely "pro drug". My ex wife, a store detective, used to tell the thieves she caught that their shoplifting was a sign of their "mental illness' and they should get some "medication" for it.
I believe that a strong "anti drug" stance will result in faster changes.
Changes are happening, albeit not as rapidly as I would like. There is a strong push for ethics in the medical community right now. Drug reps are ever present on campus, and we are constantly warned to steer clear of "lunches", etc. as well as reminded to look with skepticism on corporate sponsored studies. I would suggest that perhaps the sample you're looking at, the parents on this board, is not an accurate represention of the general population. They are on this board because they feel their child needs medication, and even then if you read the posts many of them are reluctant to do it but are fast running out of options. The "anti-drug" backlash is a natural response to the widespread use of new/novel drugs whose long term side effects were never carefully studied. Again, I call for middle-ground. There are numerous benefits to psychotropic agents and the lives of countless individuals have been improved. That is not to say that the use of these agents should be undertaken glibly, or that Prozac should be marketed in a Pez dispenser for 3 year olds... shakespeare38634.3735416667[QUOTE=BALANCED]Well, it's good to see we agree on something...
But, most people are unaware of how they are being sucked in to taking unnecessary and dangerous meds. They trust their doctors, who trust the drug reps and the FDA.
Unnecessary? These parents are trying to find a way their children can succeed in school/in life and many of them have tryed alternatives and for some it worked well, but for others it did not. What should a parent do if their child is falling farther and farther behind in school or getting daily reprimands. What does that do for the childs self-esteem? Should the parent just let them fail and be proud they didn't use meds?
I would trust my doctor and the parents on this forum rather than the articles you submitted that are so outdated you just can't give them any credence.
Haven't you noticed that most of the women on this board have a "My Child Needs Drugs" mindset ?
You really need to think about that statement. First of all, most of the parents who are having great success with their children, whether it be using alternatives or meds usually eventually stop posting. So there may be thousands who are having great success with their kids and we may never know if they are using meds or alternatives. Most of the parents here haven't found the perfect formula but THEY ARE HERE TO LEARN AND FIND THE BEST WAY THEY CAN HELP THEIR CHILDREN. This forum has plenty of articles/links/information from parents who produce the latest information for alternatives to meds.
That has to change.
Why does this have to change...because you said so and we should just drop everything we have read and believe you. Give me a break.
Unfortunately, most of them are taking antidepressants and a very common "side effect" of SSRI a/ds is that women on them become extremely "pro drug". My ex wife, a store detective, used to tell the thieves she caught that their shoplifting was a sign of their "mental illness' and they should get some "medication" for it.
I don't even know what to say to this statement except I have never heard a side affect is that they become very "pro-drug". I'd say that that is their logical mind speaking not a side affect??? But just so you know, I absolutely think meds should be the last thing a parent trys but for those who started with meds - it may be several years of h*ll if they stop and try alternatives. Some of them just can't see the benefit if it means their child looses several years of school.
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Well said Auntie! 
Ah, shucks, Shakespeare, your so kind.Sorry, no resemblence, in chemical structure, nor pharmacology, of methylphenidate, ecgonine methyl ester benzoate, or the latter's metabolite, benzoylecgonine.
Their only similarity may be an effect on serotonin reuptake through inhibition of the serotonin transport system. However, this is only postulated at this time. There are three other areas where cocaine is significantly different: it's influence on norepinephrine reuptake, serotonin reuptake, and sodium channelling. Any combination of the four different modes of action has a logarithmic increase in the complexity of activity in the cerebral environment.
That ecgonine methyl ester benzoate's metabolite, benzoylecgonine, would be similar in structure or activity to methylphenidate is also untenable.
Ritalin
Methylphenidate
methylaphenyl-2-piperidylacetate
MPH is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor, which means that it increases the level of the dopamine neurotransmitter in the brain by partially blocking the transporters that remove it from the synapses.
Cocaine
ecgonine methyl ester benzoate
3-benzoyloxy-8-methyl-8-azabicyclo [3.2.1]octane-4-carboxylic acid methyl ester
Cocaine is a potent blocker of the dopamine transporter (DAT) and a less potent blocker of the norepinephrine transporter (NET) and serotonin transporter (SERT). Cocaine also blocks sodium channels, thereby interfering with the propagation of action potentials; thus, like lidocaine and novocaine, it acts as a local anesthetic.
Benzoylecgonine
3-benzoyloxy-8-methyl-8-azabicyclo[3.2.1]octane-4-carboxylic acid
Benzoylecgonine is the major metabolite of cocaine. It is formed by hydrolysis of cocaine in the liver, catalysed by carboxylesterases.
There's a big push by the US government to push away from watching the mexican border for trafficking and to ignore the afghani trade in opium caused by removing the taliban from power. They will resort to anything - including demonizing legitimate medications that are abused by some who don't need it and don't have the original prescription. Typical shell-game tactics.
Do any of you watch Lou Dobbs on CNN? He is trying hard to get focus back on the borders - and is getting a lot of pressure by the government to back off. It's scary - very "big brother" like.
I love how the propaganda is circulating - I have seen a lot here too. Ritalin like cocaine? Wow - such reach!
Start worrying about the real killers folks - crystal meth, crack cocaine and heroin. All courtesy of your friendly neighborhood government!
well ritalin probably is a bit like cocaine glen --- isn't it? just not so addictive. all the good bits left in and the rubbish bits left out.a little like a nicotine patch. all the nicotine without the unfortunate lung cancer side effect. and not too addictive.
i don't have a problem particularly with it being similar to cocaine anyways. but maybe that's just me. i know plenty of people who take cocaine and haven't turned into drivelling monsters... so perhaps that is why. they use it in their jobs when they need to keep up to speed.
they aren't addicted and just find it useful from time to time. better than having to drink 50 coffees in a row and a bunch of pro-plus.
Very high spirited thread! Mind if I dive in?
The DEA is not funded by companies - but is a direct line to Mr. Dubbya, the ultra right wing Republican front, and the extremes that go along with them. Rush Limbaugh was a big supporter of the DEA - but he's shut up since his little Oxycontin trouble popped into the light.
The DEA is focusing on this because the government has forced them to become impotent to the trouble that is really there.
Cocaine for crack consumption from south? No no problem there as long as illegal workers are needed!
Heroin from afghanistan? The warlords keep the taliban away - for the cost of opium so don't dare stop that!
What's left - handguns? No - amuricans NEED dere guns dag gum it! Can't kill people with love!
Tobacco - don't mess with virginia nope
Alcohol - and take the three martini lunch away?
What's left? Well there's just Ritalin and the like I guess.
So - they make it seem horrible like cocaine - which they let in by the tonne. Why, patriot ollie north even trucked the stuff in in the 80s to prevent commies in south america! LOL
Hypocrites! Ritalin is LIKE cocaine just like alcohol is chemically to the brain like opium. It's a big stretch but the idiots in power try.
Hell, antihistamine is one molecule bond from crystal meth (hence the use in production of it). You could stop most meth by banning antihistamine - are you on those forums? I bet you are not!
Ritalin is one of the most successful and least troublesome treatments for any brain disorder. That's all we need to know.
I'm done. DEA sucks. So does bush and limbaugh. Nuff said.
i really could go for some coke
ritalin sucks though
its all about methylin or however you spell it
those little time release balls are a bitch to crush up
umm, I think I'll Add something else to the mix...
this is DIRECTLY FROM THE DEA SITE!!
http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs6/6444/6444p.pdf
Notice that the origional post about Ritalin = Cocaine came from a site that referenced The DEA, However, that report is nowhere on the site. I found it interesting that this was... hmmm I wonder if it is something attributed to the DEA that was never actually written by the DEA? I checked snopes.com and didnt find any information.. maybe I'll post a request
Sherry
Glen,
Is there a DEA in Canada? Or is still the Mounties?
here is another article in which I agree with very much.
It essentially states that Ritalin, like any other perscribed medication, can be abused and also can be overperscribed as a quick fix for other problems that might not necessarily be ADHD.
the last paragraph summed it up for me ( Emphasis mine):
In conclusion, I want to call upon the drug industry, the parent support groups, the researchers and medical authorities to get a better, more accurate message out to the public. I want to call upon law enforcement authorities to root out this new illicit traffic before it spreads. And I want to urge parents to educate themselves, protect their children and teach them a healthy respect for both the good and evil which drugs can do.
Here is the site for those who are interested:
http://www.add-adhd.org/ritalin.html
Glen,
Is there a DEA in Canada? Or is still the Mounties?
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there is - I believe it's ministry of health and welfare but don't quote me. They are non-partisan and much more scientific than the bureau of Dubbya is. Your DEA is more to make people think something is being done. Go to the mexican border any day and watch - then get back to me on that one.
I do alot. Usually run into la migra, tho. Lots. I take off my glasses and talk in English, tho.
ADD Exists.
ADHD is a REALITY.
atheiADHDism is BOGUS.
BALANCED society accepts truth.
Nonsense is often spouted by the unbalanced.
Ritalin, ADDerall, Strattera, and their a.i.'s are effective
frontline
medicinal
exactly. i said that in a different post somewhere a foolproof
way i reckon of knowing whether you have ADD or not is to
take a line of cocaine and see if it makes you more focused,
clearer and calmer or whether you are bouncing off the walls.
those flippin boucin off the walls - don't have ADD. simple like
that.
so it is entirely irrelevant as to whether you are prescribed
ritalin or cocaine or they are the same thing. using cocaine to
self-medicate (illegally) is no better or worse or wiser than
using Adderall except for the fact that due to it being illegal you
can never be sure of exactly what it is you may be getting - that
is the problem - and that is why it is better to be prescribed
Adderall or Ritalin. that and the fact that for some reason you
will go to jail for taking cocaine to fix your ADD but you won't for
taking Adderall. so take the legal route - simpler and easier.
if it works - it works.
Very true. There are also some very clear differences between the 2. Cocaine rapidly penetrates the blood-brain barrier and creates an intense high very briefly, then comes a quick, hard crash leaving the user craving more.
Methylphenidate takes 2-3 hours to reach peak concentrations in the brain and does so much more subtly. No rapid, intense high. It also takes longer to be removed from the body so the come down is not as intense and does not generally leave the user craving more.
Cocaine and methylphenidate have strikingly similar pharmacokinetics, but the perceived effects are very different. Trust me, I've done both, and there is research to back this up. I'm assuming, of course, that the methylphenidate was taken in a reasonable dose and taken orally, not insufflated.
cool - so there you have it.so to the original poster or the title of this thread. and
what?????????
One of the questions that my doctor asked me when I was diagnosed was have I ever been on cocaine?
I have never tried it, but I asked him why he asked me that.
He said that people with ADHD or ADD react differently to cocaine and do not find it addicting. They don't use it as their drug of choice. It actually calms them down and makes them more able to concentrate.
Huh! I guess the Lord provides us with things on this earth that we need and we can abuse them (using cocaine illegally) or we can use them wisely (taking a prescribed amount of Ritalin or other ADD drug that helps us.)
Anyway --- Most ADD and ADHD sufferers are not addicted to Adderal or Ritalin etc. They are brought up to the level of concentration that other people are on when they take these medications. They do not get addicted. These medications help them to concentrate not to speed them up - believe me doctors and parents would not prescribe medication that speed up these little children that are already bouncing off the walls.
shakespeare,
"Trust me, I've done both, and there is research to back this up.
Would you please post that "research" so I can pass it on to the DEA ?
" IT'S ALL FUN AND GAMES UNTIL SOMEONE LOSES A CHILD. "
[QUOTE=Davidornado][QUOTE=Cindy]Balanced is not a troll yet...Just misinformed... we will see after He or she reads the comments to their post.
Edited by Cindy on 07 October 2005 at 9:14pm
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Hey Barb,
How'd ya get Cindy to "B" a proud member!!! of the B-club? I'm gonna tell someone...
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Who are you "gonna tell"?
hell that article just made ritalin very attractive!!! and its so much cheaper than cocaine!!i want some now
what is wrong with cocaine anyways????
it is only fairly/very recently that 'DRUGS' have become this big,
bad scary thing.
marijuana is very effective in helping certain diseases (is it
Mutiple Sclerosis) and in places where they now legally
prescribe it -- use/abuse amongst children in those areas has
actually declined! contrary to all the fear-mongers etc.
Cocaine has long been a drug used by high-achievers in the
UK, particularly those who work in the city (the financial
markets) barely a single, successful trader who hasn't relied on
cocaine to help them up the ladder at one point or another.
What next, coffee is going to become a BIG, BAD thing.
it is all so arbitrary.
alcohol is probably far more destructive than marijuana. yet
that is still legal. cigarettes are still legal (just) in the States -
although they don't make it that easy to smoke 'em but hey...
so what if ritalin/adderall is the same as cocaine. so WHAT?
if it helps - it helps. if it is a cure. it is a cure. and.....
Hi shakesphere...your post about your grandmother caught my eye because I am a two time breast cancer survivor. I totally agree with you with regard to the small ratio of people that get side effects from the medications you speak of and I would just like to make a suggestion. Perhaps your grandmother should join a support group. I belong to a support group on the internet and speak with women who are breast cancer surviors and deal with these issues every day. They have hands on experience and live this. They are of all ages and are from walks of life and perhaps if your grandmother spoke with other breast cancer survivors she would get a well rounded perspective on things and wouldnt make her decision based on fear. After 6 years, I am not only surving, I am thriving thanks to modern medicine. While we all have to decide individually what choices to make when dealing with issues that affect quality of life, deciding whether to take medication and weigh benefit verses risk, support is vital when trying to make an informed decision.