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Balanced: Your reference about Dopamine levels was to me, I assume because I brought up Dopamine levels in the brain and the effects. I am very busy working for a drug company and I don't have time to spend reading your time-consuming garbage. I work on cancer therapies, not ADHD drugs but I have had a wonderful opportunity to get educated about ADHD because my stepson and my husband are both diagnosed. Also, I am pro-medication for my husband and stepson and I am not on any type of medication for anything. I said before, get educated about current and recent studies related to ADHD. Here are a few studies done as of late that talk about dopamine transporters and receptors and levels in the human brain. Levels are difficult to study because PET scans cost so darned much money and maybe if we had affordable healthcare, more studies could be done to confirm the existence of the dopamine transporter theory for ADHD and schizophrenia. Maybe you should spend some time or maybe some money in areas of research, rather than waste it belittling people. Original thought is something that you seem to lack, it doesn't take a smart person to spout off "facts" that someone else comes up with. I am so glad that I have the ability to think rationally when it comes to this issue and consider all avenues of research, instead of glibly following the lead like a lemming. Afterall, those type of people are what made Hitler's name appear in the history books or are the ones who drank the red Koolaid.

Madras et al. Biol Psych 2005;57:1397-1409
Volkow et al. Journal of Neuroscience, 2001. Vol. 21 1-5
Kahlig et al. PNAS March 1, 2005
Volkow et al. Am J of Psychiatry 155:10 October 1998
Pliszka Biol Psychiatry 2005; 57:1385-1390
Arnsten Behavioral and Brain Functions 2005 oh sorry auntie. i can't help it....

really i know i got furious with balanced because it was so
ridiculous to me to say ADD is just because you are BORED. i
have never been bored in my life --- as far as i am aware.

i am always reading about this 'ennui' and i don't recognise it
even. life is so flipping complicated i have no time to be bored.
i am confused. not bored. i am lost. not bored. how can i be
bored. i can't even make it to go and buy a pint of milk. to be
able to do that is a HUGE success in my pathetic life. when
something so simple is such a challenge how can one ever be
bored???? when i was on percocet temporarily i understood
what it was to be bored..... really. life was SO flipping simple
how is that normals are not dropping dead from boredom every
five minutes.

i guess that is why they start wars or decide to feud with their
neighbours over an apple tree. they are simply bored.

i don't know. we, each of us, have our own personal
experiences - i guess.

sadly, i do want to read the scientific other side. the worst as
well as the best. i don't want to feed trolls --- really i don't. but i
do want to hear other points of view that have more basis in
scientific thought
(rather than the great - it's just you being LAZY - sheesh, as if i
haven't heard that before in my 34 years.... oh you know if i
could have jumped out of my computer and punched that
mother-f*****r balanced on the nose. i would have done.
'you're just BORED. you're just LAZY.' OH THAT
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do you not think i have not heard that before????????? you
stupid, fjdsiewraafjeiaonkfsda w**ker! how many times have
we had to hear that --- again and again. oh boy it makes me so
furious. so furious. telling me something NEW? balanced?
huh? are you sure i haven't heard that before --- like 10 billion
times you sodding ^&*^*O%%(^%. oh no, please tell me again.
i really don't think i have heard that before. no, really i am just
LAZY. i am just BORED. oh sheesh why did no-one mention
that before? so GLAD you pointed it out. what would i have
done without you....)

oh, the patronising rank stupidity.

having said all of that though, auntie. i can't help but admit - i
want to hear more intelligent thought on ways to combat ADD.
on reasons for ADD that are other than the dopamine lack. i
accept i have a dopamine lack (or whatever it is) but what is the
root cause. is it only chemical --- could it be somewhat
situational, can i change it through nutrition, new psychiatric
approaches, can i harness it? you know --- all that.

i can't help it - i want to know. that's all.

boy i flip and flop like a fish outta water.

chjones38636.5176273148

Please, Don't feed the Trolls. If I see one more post from their little team effort I may vomit. If only they knew they are making most of us more steadfast in our beliefs. Poor Trolls are not too smart.

Hi Chjones - re dopamine, you might not have seen this study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&a mp;db=PubMed&list_uids=14514507&dopt=Abstract

Am J Psychiatry. 2003 Oct;160(10):1887-9.

Reduction of brain dopamine concentration with dietary tyrosine plus phenylalanine depletion: an [11C]raclopride PET study. Montgomery AJ, McTavish SF, Cowen PJ, Grasby PM.

Imperial College, School of Medicine, University Department of Psychiatry, Warneford Hospital, Oxford, UK.

OBJECTIVE: Extracellular dopamine concentrations were estimated through measurement of [(11)C]raclopride binding with positron emission tomography after dietary manipulation of the dopamine precursors tyrosine and phenylalanine. METHOD: Healthy male subjects were scanned on two occasions: once after receiving a balanced amino acid drink and once after receiving a drink mixture from which tyrosine and phenylalanine were omitted. RESULTS: Dietary tyrosine and phenylalanine depletion increased [(11)C]raclopride binding in the striatum by a mean of 6%. The change in [(11)C]raclopride binding correlated significantly with the fall in the ratio of tyrosine and phenylalanine to large neutral amino acids. CONCLUSIONS: This is the first demonstration of an effect of a dietary manipulation on brain dopamine release in humans. This result provides support for the further investigation of the role of dietary manipulations in the treatment of neuropsychiatric disorders.

PMID: 14514507 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] "

I expect this about 'brain foods' is on the nutition thread, haven't checked:

http://askdrsears.com/html/4/t040400.asp

Food, dopamine etc...

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2002/sep2002_report_ps_02.htm l

"...In another study conducted at the University of Naples, Italy, researchers showed that high-doses of phosphatidylserine administered over a short period of time could elicit neuroendocrine responses to physical stress in men that suggest a positive effect on mood. The experimentation consisted of nine young, healthy men taking phosphatidylserine (at 800 milligrams per day) for 10 days. Results from blood samples revealed that phosphatidylserine significantly blunted the responses of stress hormones, such as adrenocorticotropin (ACTH) and cortisol, to physical exercise without affecting the rise in plasma growth hormone and prolactin. The authors concluded that "chronic oral administration of phosphatidylserine may counteract stress-induced activation of the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis in man." Otherwise known as the HPAA, this working trio of hypothalamus, pituitary gland and adrenal glands is what's responsible for how we respond to various kinds of stress, be it emotional, mental or physical in nature. With advancing age, however, the HPAA suffers decline and dysfunction, which can affect mood.[13]

An earlier study by the same research team, which examined physical stress response more specifically, illustrated that phosphatidylserine could offset the body's response to physical stress as shown by a marked decrease in stress hormones. The study involved eight healthy men being subjected to a series of three experiments with a bicycle ergometer. Ten minutes before starting the exercise, each subject received 50 or 75 milligrams of intravenously administered PS or a placebo. Blood samples were taken before and after the exercise for plasma epinephrine, norepinephrine, dopamine, adrenocorticotropin, cortisol, growth hormone, prolactin and glucose levels. Blood pressure and heart rate were also recorded. Physical stress increased plasma epinephrine, norepinephrine, adrenocorticotropin, cortisol, growth hormone and prolactin, but not dopamine or glucose. Results showed that phosphatidylserine administration prior to exertion decreased the physical stress response, as indicated by a significant decrease in cortisol and adrenocorticotropin, which secretes cortisol.[14]

At the University of Wales, psychology experts decided to extend such findings on cortisol response and mood by measuring self-reported feelings of stress and the change in heart rate in regards to phosphatidylserine supplementation. A group of young, healthy adults who had higher than average neuroticism scores were required to take 300 milligrams of phosphatidylserine each day for a month, then they were asked to perform a stressful mental arithmetic task. Despite the frustrating task, they reported feeling less stressed and having a better mood.[15]

Cows vs. soybean debate

One issue of debate among researchers is whether phosphatidylserine from soybean lecithin can match the abilities of bovine cortex derived phosphatidylserine, since many of the earlier, telling studies have involved the use of the latter. Bovine source phosphatidylserine, however, is not available in North America, given a concern about risk of infectious agents entering the product when extracted from cows' brains. But evidence has been emerging for several years now, indicating that phosphatidylserine derived from plant sources, such as soybean lecithin, may be equally effective and safer than that derived from animal brain sources..."

(There's more to the article, and a list of references at the end.

Hi Balanced.

I hadn't read that part, thanks for posting it.

What I did find though were several articles which say that the project rejected 2107 studies as unreliable and were only left with 180 reports worth working with. To me that doesn't reflect well on the way studies were originally undertaken.

http://www.australiandoctor.com.au/articles/36/0c036c36.asp

"There is little evidence that drugs used to treat ADHD are effective or even safe, according to one of the most comprehensive reviews of the drugs has found, the Australian reports. An analysis of more than 2200 studies into 16 drugs - including Ritalin and dexamphetamine, both widely used in Australia - found "evidence on the effectiveness of pharmacotherapy for ADHD in children is seriously lacking". The review was conducted by the Drug Effectiveness Review Project at Oregon State University - a research group set up by 12 US states to provide independent information about some of the more commonly used drugs. It rejected 2107 studies as unreliable and reviewed the remaining 180 reports."

http://www.playattention.com/attention-deficit/monthly-20050 9.htm

" Attention Deficit

9/13/2005 Are ADHD drugs safe? Report finds little proof Categories: ADHD: Medications ADHD: Diagnosis ADHD: Symptoms ADHD ADHD: Drugs ADHD: Treatment Drug Effectiveness Review Project DERP

At a time when millions of children and adults are taking drugs for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, the most comprehensive scientific analysis of the drugs to date has found little evidence that they are safe, that one drug is more effective than another or that they help school performance.

The 731-page report was done by the Drug Effectiveness Review Project, based at Oregon State University. The group analyzed 2,287 studies � virtually every investigation ever done on ADHD drugs anywhere in the world � to reach its conclusions.

Continue reading: Are ADHD drugs safe? Report finds little proof "

curus,

That was a good post. I especially like this part.

No one can tell me how much the Dopamine in their child's head is out of balance or even how "legalized" COCAINE and SPEED can put it back in balance.

(Every 5 minutes an American dies from an adverse reaction to an FDA approved prescription drug. SOME OF THEM ARE CHILDREN !!!)

ADHD Diagnosis Caution: No Test Exists to Support Chemical Imbalance Claim

Is there a trend here or much ado about nothing?

Hollywood actor Tom Cruise created quite a stir recently in his heated debate with NBC Today Show anchor, Matt Lauer. Cruise proposed that psychotropic drug use, especially the drugging of children was unnecessary and immoral. Following suit, Sebastian Sainsbury of the Sainsbury family (one of Britain�s wealthiest and most respected families known for it patronage of the arts, and its commercial and political influence) spoke to United National Newspapers:

"As a parent of two young children, I hold an inherently responsible position for the welfare of my children. Following some of the recent media and speaking with other parents, I feel the need to extend that responsibility to encompass a wider sphere by informing parents of a situation that could potentially affect all children."

"I�ve come across recent FDA warnings that I have found quite chilling. Ritalin, an amphetamine classified in the same category as cocaine, has been used for over four decades by psychiatrists and doctors, over much controversy and now the FDA comes up with black-box labels warning parents of side effects that include suicidal tendencies, hallucinations, aggression, violent actions, heart failure. The FDA has also recently issued black-box warnings on all anti-depressants both for children as well as adults."

"We have all witnessed children being somewhat argumentative, perhaps a little boisterous and even disruptive at times. This would be described as poor behaviour, just as it has been described for centuries. However, these behavioural characteristics have been redefined by today�s psychiatrist as a mental disorder called Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder or ADHD."

"ADHD was literally voted into existence eighteen years ago when the American Psychiatric Association (APA) by a show of hands. A show of hands was enough to see ADHD enshrined in the psychiatric textbook, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). They also created "Reading Disorder", Oppositional Defiance Disorder", "Expressive Language Disorder", "Mathematics Disorder" and a litany of similarly ridiculous disorders by the same show of hands. The treatment for these disorders are drugs."

"Psychiatrists are telling parents, whose children may be displaying poor behaviour, that their child has so-called ADHD due to a "chemical imbalance" in the brain. A parent would be prudent to ask the psychiatrist for evidence to support the claim of a "chemical imbalance". If they did ask however, they�d find that the evidence would not be forthcoming � as it doesn�t exist."

Psychiatrist David Kaiser said, "Patients [have] been diagnosed with "chemical imbalances" despite the fact that no test exists to support such a claim, and � there is no real conception of what a correct chemical balance would look like." The words of the President of the APA should also be noted. Mr. Steven Sharfstein said, "We do not have a clean-cut lab test [to detect chemical imbalances in the brain]." How then would the psychiatrist know when the child has recovered?"

"Poor behaviour is empirical, but the purported cause for such behaviour is usurping the inherent rights of both the child and the parent. Environmental factors of the child need to be addressed rather than prescribing powerful psychiatric drugs on the basis of a subjective decision that is entirely unsubstantiated. Current figures from the Prescription Pricing Authority for England and Wales reveal that in 1991, the number of prescription items for psychiatric drugs commonly prescribed for children labeled with ADHD were 2000. In 2004, that figure had risen astronomically to 359,100. Remember, this is for a so-called "disorder" that has never been scientifically validated."

"As with all problems in life, we pursue the avenues of knowledge open to us to find the solution. As far as poor childhood behaviour goes, parents want only the best for their child, a corollary of being a responsible parent, and will look high and low for those solutions. Consider this: a study carried out last year by Professor John Warner, Professor of Child Health at the University of Southampton, revealed the adverse reactions that food additives were having on behaviour. The incredibly talented Jamie Oliver has demonstrated through his series Jamie�s School Dinners that changing a child�s diet can bring about a desired change in behaviour. And educational psychologist Dr Madeleine Portwoodhas demonstrated that essential fatty acids, a natural organic product, produced improvements not only in childhood behaviour but in academic performance as well."

"We are in the 21st Century, full of technological advancements that defy science. If however we consider the psychiatrist to be the custodian of poor behaviour, we are bowing to a profession that masquerades as technically advanced, but which in reality could be called nothing more than a pseudoscience at the behest of the pharmaceutical industry."

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"The ramifications of being a poorly behaved child in this contemporary society are too gruesome to comprehend.

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Wow! Have you noticed how long this / that page has become? I think we set a record here! Hip Hip Hooray! Today is the Day! It's time to Play!!! Woo-hoo!!! [QUOTE=curus][QUOTE=Davidornado]
...curus is part of the organism...From one point of view, it's a coalition of evil, espousing hatred, rage, frustration, etc. vs. ADHD, ADD, and modern treatment elements. So, if I oppose one element, I must oppose the whole. Btw, some of their elements have already dropped out.

Another tactic used is to divide and weaken. Notice the elevation of emotional distress amongst ourselves, lately? Some of our elements have already dropped out.

A half truth, is still a lie, as is manipulated truth. My error was in assuming other's have experienced this already, but as you pointed out, you're still searching. Search away. I have fought this battle before.
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"organism" ? "coalition of evil" ?

How Charming!

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Oh, yeah! Thanks! I left out the Axis of Evil.
[QUOTE=chjones]D'O i hope you don't think i am picking on you here. and i didn't read the whole article/posts yet but curus ain't denying that ADD exists, is she? she is just questioning whether the current medication is effective in the long term.

it is fantastically effective in the short term. there is NO doubt to me about that - but it doesn't CURE anything, i don't think. it SUPPRESSES symptoms which is great. and i have no problem with that - like with diabetes or whatever. if there is no CURE (right - have i got the right disease there) but there is a way of controlling the disease which works brilliantly without ever getting rid of it... fine. but why not look for a cure too --- which means discussing the truth of it, that adderall is perhaps NOT a cure per se.

i can't think why people get so defensive???????

can people not question?

it's ridiculous. it means no looking for a solution because no one is allowed to question without offence being taken.

for example today in the LA times, there was an article about an Asian student who wrote in his highschool paper about the differences of grade averages in his school between Asians and Hispanics. so vitally different like 12% passing Math in comparison to 60% (i might get the statistic a bit wrong but approx) of Asians.

and he was hounded for it. but if you don't look into these things honestly and bluntly and truthfully then how can you begin to look for any kind of solution or even start to address the problem... and they did. and results for Hispanics dramatically improved!!!

so to me, it seems crazy not to look at these things.

look at all the information! look at all the different sides. no-one is picking on anyone by questioning. the truth is what is important. the genuine truth. that's all.

just the truth. or am i being hopelessly naive here???

how can we ever hope to learn if we are only open to hearing those things we already know or believe to be true?

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BRAVO!!! i couldn't of said it better myself...

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rmasters/AHABS/bp.htm

"HYPERACTIVITY AND LEARNING DISABILITIES

An important area touching on biopolitics and ignored by mainstream political science concerns the vastly increased rate of hyperactivity and use of Ritalin to treat it among American children. Although the U.S. Department of Education has estimated the incidence of all learning disabilities at around 5% (Newsweek 2000: 32), my own direct-mail survey of some high schools in Massachusetts confirms estimates of more than that rate for ADHD alone. A recent study suggests that the official governmental estimates may confuse diagnosis with treatment while ignoring important differences in rates of incidence:...

... But this raises the question of what causes the failure of inhibitory brain circuits.

Oddly enough, a clue comes from temporal and geographical differences in rates of learning disabilities. Why is there suddenly an "epidemic" of ADHD? If more Tom Sawyer-like children are merely "coming out of the closet," why are there age-related and geographic differences in today's rates of hyperactivity? The answers begin with toxic chemicals that reduce the activity of the key neurotransmitters. In one case, for example, carbon monoxide from a faulty heating system undermined blood transport of oxygen and thereby led to hyperactive behavior (Walker 1998: 7-9).

Diet can also matter, as is shown by the work of the Feingold Association of the U.S. (Hersey 1999) as well as by the Pfeiffer Treatment Center of Napierville, Illinois (which has pioneered in the identification and treatment of abnormalities in brain-chemistry). Whereas Ritalin or Prozac treat symptoms by masking the chemical causes, often with uncertain long-term effects, diet or detoxification frequently have surprising success with minimal side-effects and lower expense (Walker 1998; Kessel & O'Connor 1997).

Heavy metal absorption can also contribute to ADD/ADHD (Minder, et al 1994; Needleman 1999). Although some studies do not find this association (e.g., Kahn, Kelly, & Walker 1995), Tuthill (1996) found many ADHD children in one Massachusetts community had absorbed high levels of lead. Sources of exposure are numerous: in addition to pollution, for example, lead is found in paint from old housing, in water due to old pipes, and in urban soils as a residue of leaded gasoline (Mushak & Crocetti 1989; Mielke, 1992, 1993, 1994; Vivarette, Mielke, Brisco, Dixon, Schaefer et al, 1996; Lanphear, Byrd, Auinger & Schaeffer 1998). In animal studies, moreover, impulsive responses are significantly increased by lead exposure (Brockel & Cory-Slechta 1998). Others have suggested similar effects of manganese (Fairhall & Neal 1943; Violence Research Foundation 1994).

Effects of toxins on neurotransmitters make this association plausible. Lead downregulates dopamine and glutamate whereas manganese downregulates serotonin (Bryce-Smith 1983; Needleman 1991, 1996). In addition, these heavy metals have effects related to the crucial role of calcium, which functions as a neurotransmitter and co-factor in many brain systems.

Research in cognitive neuroscience shows how important such effects can be. For example, the inhibitory function of the basal ganglia relies in part on dopamine, which is downregulated by lead (e.g., Gazzaniga, et al 1998: 413-420). Calcium plays a key role in the hippocampus, essential to the basic learning process known as "Long Term Potentiation" or LTP (Gazzaniga, et al 1998: 283-288). Not surprisingly, ADHD has been linked to deficits in dopamine function (Cook, et al 1995).

Although some question the efficacy of lead removal (chelation), it has successfully been used to replace drug treatment for a subset of ADD/ADHD cases (Walker 1998). Toxicity could therefore account for a substantial portion of ADD/ADHD cases, especially since early lead exposure is so widespread and damaging to children (Aschengau et al 1993, Bellinger et al 1994, Mielke 1998, Levitt 1999). ...

...Heavy metal absorption can also contribute to ADD/ADHD (Minder, et al 1994; Needleman 1999). Although some studies do not find this association (e.g., Kahn, Kelly, & Walker 1995), Tuthill (1996) found many ADHD children in one Massachusetts community had absorbed high levels of lead. Sources of exposure are numerous: in addition to pollution, for example, lead is found in paint from old housing, in water due to old pipes, and in urban soils as a residue of leaded gasoline (Mushak & Crocetti 1989; Mielke, 1992, 1993, 1994; Vivarette, Mielke, Brisco, Dixon, Schaefer et al, 1996; Lanphear, Byrd, Auinger & Schaeffer 1998). In animal studies, moreover, impulsive responses are significantly increased by lead exposure (Brockel & Cory-Slechta 1998). Others have suggested similar effects of manganese (Fairhall & Neal 1943; Violence Research Foundation 1994).

... [On water flouridation and its effects on heavy metals and toxins]

To assess the hypothesis of increased lead uptake where silicofluoride treated water is in use, a Massachusetts survey of lead levels in 280,000 children (Bailey, Sargent, Goodman, Freeman & Brown 1994) was reanalyzed. Controlling for other risk factors, we found significantly higher lead levels (p < .001) in the blood of children from silicofluoride treated communities (Masters & Coplan 1999). This finding has been confirmed in epidemiological analyses of about 150,000 children from New York towns of 15,000 to 75,000 population (Masters, Coplan, Hone, & Dykes 2000) and almost 4,000 children in the National Health and Nutrition Evaluation Survey (Masters, Coplan, Hone, & Dykes 1999). In addition, multivariate analysis of these samples shows that silicofluorides enhance the uptake of lead from old houses or public water supplies, particularly among the poor and minorities whose diets are insufficient in calcium and other essential minerals. Logistic regressions confirm that, controlling for other risk factors associated with lead uptake, the odds ratio of high blood lead is significantly increased where silicofluorides are used -- and that these effects are more serious for minorities (e.g., Figure 3).

In the sample of over 30,000 criminals in 24 cities in a National Institute of Justice study, we found higher rates of alcoholism, substance abuse and crime associated with silicofluoride usage (Masters & Coplan 1999a). Since Manuzza (1989, 1998) and others have indicated that there is a correlation between hyperactivity and teen criminal behavior, these associations are probably linked elements of a pattern of weakened impulse control due to heavy metal uptake.

These findings are corroborated by county-level rates of violent crime from the entire United States for 1985 and 1991 (Figure 4). To check the analysis of variance, multiple regression models were computed using nine variables including the percent of population receiving silicofluoride treated water to predict rates of violent crime for each year. Controlling for the eight other covariates (per cent unemployed, per capita income, per capita income of blacks, median grade completed, median year of housing, median % College graduates, median age of housing, % rural, and % blacks), in both years, silicofluoride water treatment was significantly associated with higher crime rates (p < .0001). As in the studies of Massachusetts and New York, moreover, in each year the effects of industrial lead pollution were significantly exacerbated by the use of silicofluorides in water.

Although the precise biochemical mechanisms for these findings are not clear, silicofluorides were shown to increase red blood cell permeability and change acetylcholinesterase function by a German study never cited in the U.S. (Westendorf 1975). Because comprehensive testing of silicofluoride treated water has never been done, it is not clear whether other factors play a role, such as chemical contaminants, formation of intermediate compounds that increase lead uptake, or radioactivity due to the origin of silicofluorides in processing nuclear weapons and power-plant fuel. While further research is urgently needed to test the safety of these widely used chemicals, the data show the potential utility of biopolitical research...."

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Reliabilty of studies on hyperactivity drug therapy - quite a proportion of the literature on these drugs is known to have been falsified as DR STPHEN BREUNING got caught. Maybe thats part of the reason why the receint Oregon study had to scrap the majority of the studies as unreliable?

http://www.icakusa.com/healthcaps/personal/ritalin.html

"..A National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) investigation showed that Breuning, who was responsible for one-third of the literature on drug therapy for hyperactive children during his research years, "knowingly, willfully and repeatedly engaged in misleading and deceptive practices in reporting results of research," (Ginsburg, S. Baltimore [UPI], November 11, 1989).

Accordingly, the research was never done as described in the grant application to the NIMH, and the results Breuning claimed were never attained. It was the first federal conviction of a researcher for falsifying results..."

shhhhh, don't let them know laughter treats ADHD...they'll try to ban it next...Oh, yeah! Thanks! I left out the Axis of Evil.

oh davido you make me laugh so much sometimes!!!! woo-hoo!
[QUOTE=chjones]D'O i hope you don't think i am picking on you here. and i didn't read the whole article/posts yet but curus ain't denying that ADD exists, is she? she is just questioning whether the current medication is effective in the long term.

can people not question?

it's ridiculous. it means no looking for a solution because no one is allowed to question without offence being taken.

so to me, it seems crazy not to look at these things.

look at all the information! look at all the different sides. no-one is picking on anyone by questioning. the truth is what is important. the genuine truth. that's all.

just the truth. or am i being hopelessly naive here???

how can we ever hope to learn if we are only open to hearing those things we already know or believe to be true? [/QUOTE]

The bigger picture is that curus is part of the organism that includes the other posters who descended upon this forum at the same time. One of their tactics is to divideand probe, then reinforce where weakness is discerned. Notice how each rip off the entity is unbalanced in one theme? As such, their agenda as a whole has the same aim. From one point of view, it's a coalition of evil, espousing hatred, rage, frustration, etc. vs. ADHD, ADD, and modern treatment elements. So, if I oppose one element, I must oppose the whole. Btw, some of their elements have already dropped out.

Another tactic used is to divide and weaken. Notice the elevation of emotional distress amongst ourselves, lately? Some of our elements have already dropped out.

A half truth, is still a lie, as is manipulated truth. My error was in assuming other's have experienced this already, but as you pointed out, you're still searching. Search away. I have fought this battle before.

[QUOTE=Davidornado]

...curus is part of the organism...From one point of view, it's a coalition of evil, espousing hatred, rage, frustration, etc. vs. ADHD, ADD, and modern treatment elements. So, if I oppose one element, I must oppose the whole. Btw, some of their elements have already dropped out.

Another tactic used is to divide and weaken. Notice the elevation of emotional distress amongst ourselves, lately? Some of our elements have already dropped out.

A half truth, is still a lie, as is manipulated truth. My error was in assuming other's have experienced this already, but as you pointed out, you're still searching. Search away. I have fought this battle before.
[/QUOTE]

"organism" ? "coalition of evil" ?

How Charming!

And now back to Codex and its pharmaceutical industry involvment:

http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/editorial/pharm.htm

"...Pharmaceutical companies insure their profits by supporting medical schools and physicians. The pharmaceutical industry is the single largest supporter of medical schools. Thus, the schools teach the medicine that the pharmaceutical industry wants them to teach. Doctors get kickbacks for prescribing certain drugs.

And then there's the FDA. Former FDA Commissioner Dr Herbert Ley stated: "The thing that bugs me is that people think the FDA is protecting them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it's doing are as different as night and day."

For more information on Codex, and this is important to all of us since they've already started to limit the use and sale of vitamins in Germany, here are some links.

This first one is to a site by the Codex people. If you read everything here, they sound like a bunch of really nice people out to protect you: http://www.fao.org/docrep/w9114e/w9114e00.htm

This next site has a great description of what/who they are and what they do and what they are setting out to do: http://www.all-natural.com/codex-1.html

Here you can read about your health freedom, and some strides taken in protecting our health freedom: http://www.lef.org/shop/fda2.htm

And finally, here is a site that talks of Dr Rath, who wrote the above piece, and what he is doing in Europe to fight this organization: http://www.heall.com/medicalfreedom/codexabuse.html "

curus38637.7356481481[QUOTE=Anti-ADHDisbADD]

BALANCED society accepts truth.

Ritalin, ADDerall, Strattera, and their a.i.'s are effective
frontline
medicinal
treatments

[/QUOTE]

http://www.australiandoctor.com.au/articles/36/0c036c36.asp

[QUOTE=curus][QUOTE=Anti-ADHDisbADD]

ADD Exists.

ADHD is a REALITY.

atheiADHDism is BOGUS.

BALANCED society accepts truth.

Nonsense is often spouted by the unbalanced.

Ritalin, ADDerall, Strattera, and their a.i.'s are effective

frontline

medicinal

treatments

[/QUOTE]

"There is evidence that drugs used to treat ADHD are effective even safe, according to one of the most comprehensive reviews of the drugs has found, the Australian reports. An analysis of more than 2200 studies into 16 drugs - including Ritalin and dexamphetamine, both widely used in Australia - found "evidence on the effectiveness of pharmacotherapy for ADHD in children". The review was conducted by the Drug Effectiveness Review Project at Oregon State University - a research group set up by 12 US states to provide independent information about some of the more commonly used drugs.
[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=curus][QUOTE=Davidornado] [QUOTE=curus][QUOTE=Anti-ADHDisbADD]

Nonsense is often spouted by the unbalanced.

Ritalin, ADDerall, Strattera, and their a.i.'s are effective

frontline
medicinal
treatments

[/QUOTE]

http://www.australiandoctor.com.au/articles/36/0c036c36.asp

[/QUOTE]

HEy, woman!

You cut my tree down again!!!

Do you belong to the Sierra Club, or something like that?

My point was made, anyhoo-woo.

But I'll make another...

[QUOTE=Brookelea]

recognize ADHD as a genuine disorder because the scientific evidence indicating it is so is overwhelming.

a serious deficiency in or failure of a physical or psychological mechanism that is universal to humans.

evidence of increased mortality, morbidity, or impairment in the major life activities required of one's developmental stage in life.

social relationships, family functioning, and occupational functioning that all humans of that developmental level are expected to perform.

ADHD involves a serious deficiency in a set of psychological abilities and that these deficiencies pose serious harm to most individuals possessing the disorder.

Current evidence indicates that deficits in behavioral inhibition and sustained attention are central to this disorder -- facts demonstrated through hundreds of scientific studies.and disintriguiging posts...

And there is no doubt that ADHD leads to impairments in major life activities, including social relations, education, family functioning, occupational functioning, self-sufficiency, and adherence to social rules, norms, and laws.

Evidence also indicates that those with ADHD are more prone to physical injury and accidental poisonings. This is why no professional medical, psychological, or scientific organization doubts the existence of ADHD as a legitimate disorder.

These same psychological deficits in inhibition and attention have been found in numerous studies of identical and fraternal twins conducted across various countries (US, Great Britain, Norway, Australia, etc.) to be primarily inherited.

The genetic contribution to these traits is routinely found to be among the highest for any psychiatric disorder (70-95% of trait variation in the population), nearly approaching the genetic contribution to human height.

One gene has recently been reliably demonstrated to be associated with this disorder and the search for more is underway by more than 12 different scientific teams worldwide at this time.
[/QUOTE]

Anyone doubt I meet the criteria?

Hey, who climbed into my head???

OMG!...I'm ADHD!!!
Where's my Ritalin???

Dear Novartis, please bless this Ritlain, which I am about to ingest...

Woo-hoo!
Posted by Brookelea: 12 October 2005 at 4:36am | IP Logged

International Consensus Statement on ADHD
January 2002

We, the undersigned consortium of international scientists, are deeply concerned about the periodic inaccurate portrayal of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in media reports. This is a disorder with which we are all very familiar and toward which many of us have dedicated scientific studies if not entire careers. We fear that inaccurate stories rendering ADHD as myth, fraud, or benign condition may cause thousands of sufferers not to seek treatment for their disorder. It also leaves the public with a general sense that this disorder is not valid or real or consists of a rather trivial affliction.

We have created this consensus statement on ADHD as a reference on the status of the scientific findings concerning this disorder, its validity, and its adverse impact on the lives of those diagnosed with the disorder as of this writing (January 2002).

Occasional coverage of the disorder casts the story in the form of a sporting event with evenly matched competitors. The views of a handful of non-expert doctors that ADHD does not exist are contrasted against mainstream scientific views that it does, as if both views had equal merit. Such attempts at balance give the public the impression that there is substantial scientific disagreement over whether ADHD is a real medical condition. In fact, there is no such disagreement --at least no more so than there is over whether smoking causes cancer, for example, or whether a virus causes HIV/AIDS.

The U.S. Surgeon General, the American Medical Association (AMA), the American Psychiatric Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP), the American Psychological Association, and the American Academy of Paediatrics (AAP), among others, all recognize ADHD as a valid disorder. While some of these organizations have issued guidelines for evaluation and management of the disorder for their membership, this is the first consensus statement issued by an independent consortium of leading scientists concerning the status of the disorder. Among scientists who have devoted years, if not entire careers, to the study of this disorder there is no controversy regarding its existence.

ADHD and Science

We cannot over emphasize the point that, as a matter of science, the notion that ADHD does not exist is simply wrong. All of the major medical associations and government health agencies recognize ADHD as a genuine disorder because the scientific evidence indicating it is so is overwhelming.

Various approaches have been used to establish whether a condition rises to the level of a valid medical or psychiatric disorder. A very useful one stipulates that there must be scientifically established evidence that those suffering the condition have a serious deficiency in or failure of a physical or psychological mechanism that is universal to humans. That is, all humans normally would be expected, regardless of culture, to have developed that mental ability.

And there must be equally incontrovertible scientific evidence that this serious deficiency leads to harm to the individual. Harm is established through evidence of increased mortality, morbidity, or impairment in the major life activities required of one's developmental stage in life. Major life activities are those domains of functioning such as education, social relationships, family functioning, independence and self-sufficiency, and occupational functioning that all humans of that developmental level are expected to perform.

As attested to by the numerous scientists signing this document, there is no question among the world's leading clinical researchers that ADHD involves a serious deficiency in a set of psychological abilities and that these deficiencies pose serious harm to most individuals possessing the disorder. Current evidence indicates that deficits in behavioral inhibition and sustained attention are central to this disorder -- facts demonstrated through hundreds of scientific studies. And there is no doubt that ADHD leads to impairments in major life activities, including social relations, education, family functioning, occupational functioning, self-sufficiency, and adherence to social rules, norms, and laws. Evidence also indicates that those with ADHD are more prone to physical injury and accidental poisonings. This is why no professional medical, psychological, or scientific organization doubts the existence of ADHD as a legitimate disorder.

The central psychological deficits in those with ADHD have now been linked through numerous studies using various scientific methods to several specific brain regions (the frontal lobe, its connections to the basal ganglia, and their relationship to the central aspects of the cerebellum). Most neurological studies find that as a group those with ADHD have less brain electrical activity and show less reactivity to stimulation in one or more of these regions. And neuro-imaging studies of groups of those with ADHD also demonstrate relatively smaller areas of brain matter and less metabolic activity of this brain matter than is the case in control groups used in these studies.

These same psychological deficits in inhibition and attention have been found in numerous studies of identical and fraternal twins conducted across various countries (US, Great Britain, Norway, Australia, etc.) to be primarily inherited. The genetic contribution to these traits is routinely found to be among the highest for any psychiatric disorder (70-95% of trait variation in the population), nearly approaching the genetic contribution to human height. One gene has recently been reliably demonstrated to be associated with this disorder and the search for more is underway by more than 12 different scientific teams worldwide at this time.

Numerous studies of twins demonstrate that family environment makes no significant separate contribution to these traits. This is not to say that the home environment, parental management abilities, stressful life events, or deviant peer relationships are unimportant or have no influence on individuals having this disorder, as they certainly do. Genetic tendencies are expressed in interaction with the environment. Also, those having ADHD often have other associated disorders and problems, some of which are clearly related to their social environments. But it is to say that the underlying psychological deficits that comprise ADHD itself are not solely or primarily the result of these environmental factors.

This is why leading international scientists, such as the signers below, recognize the mounting evidence of neurological and genetic contributions to this disorder. This evidence, coupled with countless studies on the harm posed by the disorder and hundreds of studies on the effectiveness of medication, buttresses the need in many, though by no means all, cases for management of the disorder with multiple therapies. These include medication combined with educational, family, and other social accommodations. This is in striking contrast to the wholly unscientific views of some social critics in periodic media accounts that ADHD constitutes a fraud, that medicating those afflicted is questionable if not reprehensible, and that any behavior problems associated with ADHD are merely the result of problems in the home, excessive viewing of TV or playing of video games, diet, lack of love and attention, or teacher/school intolerance.

ADHD is not a benign disorder. For those it afflicts, ADHD can cause devastating problems. Follow-up studies of clinical samples suggest that sufferers are far more likely than normal people to drop out of school (32-40%), to rarely complete college (5-10%), to have few or no friends (50-70%), to under perform at work (70-80%), to engage in antisocial activities (40-50%), and to use tobacco or illicit drugs more than normal. Moreover, children growing up with ADHD are more likely to experience teen pregnancy (40%) and sexually transmitted diseases (16%), to speed excessively and have multiple car accidents, to experience depression (20-30%) and personality disorders (18-25%) as adults, and in hundreds of other ways mismanage and endanger their lives.

Yet despite these serious consequences, studies indicate that less than half of those with the disorder are receiving treatment. The media can help substantially to improve these circumstances. It can do so by portraying ADHD and the science about it as accurately and responsibly as possible while not purveying the propaganda of some social critics and fringe doctors whose political agenda would have you and the public believe there is no real disorder here. To publish stories that ADHD is a fictitious disorder or merely a conflict between today's Huckleberry Finns and their caregivers is tantamount to declaring the earth flat, the laws of gravity debatable, and the periodic table in chemistry a fraud. ADHD should be depicted in the media as realistically and accurately as it is depicted in science -- as a valid disorder having varied and substantial adverse impact on those who may suffer from it through no fault of their own or their parents and teachers.

Sincerely,
Russell A. Barkley, Ph.D.
Professor
Depts. Of Psychiatry and Neurology
University of Massachusetts Medical School
55 Lake Avenue North
Worcester, MA 01655

Edwin H. Cook, Jr., M.D.
Professor
Departments of Psychiatry and Pediatrics
University of Chicago
5841 S. Maryland Ave.
Chicago, IL

Mina Dulcan, M.D.
Professor
Department of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
2300 Children's Plaza #10
Children's Memorial Hospital
Chicago, IL 60614

Susan Campbell, Ph.D.
Professor
Department of Psychology
4015 O'Hara Street
University of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA 15260
Margot Prior, Ph.D.
Professor
Department of Psychology
Royal Children's Hospital
Parkville, 3052 VIC
Australia
Marc Atkins, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
University of Illinois at Chicago
Institute for Juvenile Research
Department of Psychiatry
840 South Wood Street, Suite 130
Chicago, IL 60612-7347
Christopher Gillberg, M.D.
Professor
Department of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
University of Gothenburg
Gothenburg, Sweden Mary Solanto-Gardner, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Division of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
The Mt. Sinai Medical Center
One Gustave L. Levy Place
New York, NY 10029-6574
Jeffrey Halperin, Ph.D.
Professor,
Department of Psychology
Queens College, CUNY
65-30 Kissena Ave.
Flushing, NY 11367 Jose J. Bauermeister, Ph.D.
Professor,
Department of Psychology
University of Puerto Rico
San Juan, PR 00927
Steven R. Pliszka, M.D.
Associate Professor and Chief
Division of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
University of Texas Health Sciences Center
7703 Floyd Curl Drive
San Antonio, TX 78229-3900
Mark A. Stein, Ph.D.
Chair of Psychology
Children's National Medical Center and
Professor of Psychiatry & Pediatrics
George Washington Univ. Med. School
111 Michigan Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20010
John S. Werry, M.D.
Professor Emeritus
Department of Psychiatry
University of Auckland
Auckland, New Zealand Joseph Sergeant, Ph.D.
Chair of Clinical Neuropsychology
Free University
Van der Boecharst Straat 1
De Boelenlaan 1109
1018 BT Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Ronald T. Brown, Ph.D.
Associate Dean, College of Health Professions
Professor of Pediatrics
Medical University of South Carolina
19 Hagood Avenue
P. O. Box 250822
Charleston, SC 29425
Alan Zametkin, M.D.
Child Psychiatrist
Kensington, MD
Arthur D. Anastopoulos, Ph.D.
Professor, Co-Director of Clinical Training
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550 First Avenue
New York, NY 10016 [QUOTE=Davidornado] [QUOTE=curus][QUOTE=Anti-ADHDisbADD]

Nonsense is often spouted by the unbalanced.

Ritalin, ADDerall, Strattera, and their a.i.'s are effective

frontline
medicinal
treatments

[/QUOTE]

http://www.australiandoctor.com.au/articles/36/0c036c36.asp

D'O i hope you don't think i am picking on you here. and i didn't read the whole article/posts yet but curus ain't denying that ADD exists, is she? she is just questioning whether the current medication is effective in the long term.

it is fantastically effective in the short term. there is NO doubt to me about that - but it doesn't CURE anything, i don't think. it SUPPRESSES symptoms which is great. and i have no problem with that - like with diabetes or whatever. if there is no CURE (right - have i got the right disease there) but there is a way of controlling the disease which works brilliantly without ever getting rid of it... fine. but why not look for a cure too --- which means discussing the truth of it, that adderall is perhaps NOT a cure per se.

i can't think why people get so defensive???????

can people not question?

it's ridiculous. it means no looking for a solution because no one is allowed to question without offence being taken.

for example today in the LA times, there was an article about an Asian student who wrote in his highschool paper about the differences of grade averages in his school between Asians and Hispanics. so vitally different like 12% passing Math in comparison to 60% (i might get the statistic a bit wrong but approx) of Asians.

and he was hounded for it. but if you don't look into these things honestly and bluntly and truthfully then how can you begin to look for any kind of solution or even start to address the problem... and they did. and results for Hispanics dramatically improved!!!

so to me, it seems crazy not to look at these things.

look at all the information! look at all the different sides. no-one is picking on anyone by questioning. the truth is what is important. the genuine truth. that's all.

just the truth. or am i being hopelessly naive here???

how can we ever hope to learn if we are only open to hearing those things we already know or believe to be true?

Ch, thank you for the post above, but please don't worry about it on my account.

I read your Codex post on the Alternative board,- you ever thought of taking up writing because you're very articulate and put things over with feeling.

I put a link over there, but I'll put the article here in full - its a mixture of more bad news, but the good news is that people are still fighting it and are getting somewhere. Problem is that the pharmacetical industry weilds massive political and monetory power and therefore groups fighting against Codex are a bit like David up against Goliath.

http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature5.cfm?REF=436

Codex update

European court cases stall pharmaceutical companies' plans to control natural supplements.

Dateline: Sunday, October 02, 2005

by Helke Ferrie

What do airplanes, pharmaceutical drugs and Codex Alimentarius have in common? Answer: a black box. When an airplane crashes, its black box, retrieved from the wreckage, contains the record of events up to the moment of the crash and enables analysts to determine the cause of the tragedy. The US Federal Drug Agency (FDA) "blackboxes" a drug when post-marketing experience shows it killed a lot of people and frequently produces potentially fatal side effects. Doctors are informed accordingly in the US and Canada. When consulting the annually-updated CPS (Compendium of Pharmaceuticals and Specialties), you will see literally a black box under such drugs with warnings printed inside.

Codex Alimentarius is a black box containing most of what you wish you didn't have to know about the transformation of medical science into a purely iatrogenic enterprise. The late Ivan Illich coined the word "iatrogenic" from the Greek iatros, meaning "physician" and genesis, meaning "creating". Iatrogenesis refers to physician-caused illness. Codex is the political equivalent of the current toxicology manuals because it endorses and promotes for international trade and consumption in the whole wide world everything from pesticides to irradiation, genetically engineered foods and synthetic analogs for drugs and nutrients in preference to bio-compatible natural substances.

Codex does have the power to impose regulations that could restrict the availability of vitamins worldwide.

The Codex black box was opened a crack by the April 5 opinion handed down by Justice Leendert A Geelhoed, the European Union Advocate General, who happened to refer to the arbitrary powers of the Codex-supporting EU legislation as being "about as transparent as a black box". The box was opened wider on July 12th when the European Court of Justice provided a ruling for the EU that zeroed in on the central problem of the entire Codex exercise, namely the preference for synthetic over natural medicinal substances. This is key to understanding Codex, why EU legislation can affect Canada and the US, and what the current health freedom movement wants to achieve.

Their rulings both came in response to legal challenges launched by Dr Robert Verkerk, the executive director of the UK Alliance for Natural Health ( ANH www.natural-health.org). His litigation questioned Codex's supporting EU legislation. Dr Verkerk said in a telephone interview on September 16: "It is a serious mistake for you in Canada and the US to believe that whatever happens here in Europe will not happen to you."

By virtue of its mandate from the World Health Organization (WHO) and its Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO), Codex does have the power to impose regulations on the world that restrict the dosages of and even the very availability of vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, amino acids, enzymes, essential fatty acids, probiotics as well as traditional Chinese, Aryuvedic and other old systems of medicine. Codex would have succeeded in doing just that in Europe in August of this year, if the ANH hadn't gone to court.

In 1990-2000 about 7.8 million victims suffered death from properly prescribed and implemented medications.

To understand how all this hangs together we need to go back to the beginning of this process: On November 6, 2001, the European Parliament tabled Directive 2001/83/EC, which states in section 2 and 3 of its preamble the following: "The essential aim of any rules governing the production, distribution and use of medicinal products must be to safeguard public health. However, this objective must be attained by means which will not hinder the development of the pharmaceutical industry or trade in medicinal products within the European Community."

However, since 2001, several factors have shaken the public's faith in pharmaceuticals. For example, the International Committee of Medical Journal Editors updated its guidelines in October 2004 and specifically warned against all the ways that pharmaceutical sponsorship could influence journal articles. www.icmje.org/#conflicts

Dr Carolyn Dean has written, in Death by Modern Medicine that in 1990-2000 about 7.8 million victims suffered death from properly prescribed and implemented medications. In particular, she stated that "There have been 140,000 fatal or near fatal reactions to Vioxx; one third of the millions of women who took fen-phen, the weight loss drug, suffered heart and lung damage; heart disease is caused by Celebrex and all the other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs; Prozac is causing suicides and homicides as well as heart disease... "

A new book, Selling Sickness, by Ray Moynihan, charges that pharmaceutical companies are quite deliberately trying to sell drugs to people who aren't sick at all � these being a much larger market than actual sick people.

Big Pharma has demonstrated that it fully understands that its products do not work, often kill, and usually harm, as proven by the research they themselves did to establish the toxicity of their products but then hid from the regulators (see Let Them Eat Prozac). Big Pharma staff understands the superior biochemistry of natural substances. Recently, the prestigious British Institute for Science and Society (ISIS) put the whole puzzle together: www.i-sis.org.uk/CFV.php

ISIS reports that pharmaceutical corporations have started to buy up vitamin and mineral companies. Merck has acquired Lamberts, and Wyeth bought Solgar. Virtually all raw materials for supplements are produced by the big pharmaceutical companies, such as Bayer and Hoffman-La Roche. "In fact," Sam Burcher reports on ISIS's website, "drug companies have gained control of food supplements through pharmaprinting, the result of collaboration between PharmaPrint Inc and the University of Miami. Pharmaprinting is a technology that isolates and measures the bioactivity of an active compound of any plant or natural remedy and replicates it in a laboratory. These compounds are standardized as pharmaceuticals for government approval [necessary for patenting]. Patents are currently pending on pharmaceutical versions of some of the most useful herbal remedies such as St John's Wort (for depression), Echinacea (immune function) Ginko Biloba (brain function), Saw Palmetto (prostate function) and mistletoe (alternative cancer treatment)."

ISIS reports that pharmaceutical corporations have started to buy up vitamin and mineral companies.

Subsequent clinical trials cost about $ 6.5 million per product and gaining patent protection costs another half a million dollars. The whole process takes five years. ISIS observes that, "investors are reluctant to commit unless market exclusivity is assured. One way of creating an exclusive market is to ban or remove natural remedies. The existing US health care market is estimated to be worth US $ 1.5 trillion [which] makes it worth manipulating. [Therefore] the 'foods as drugs' guidelines laid out by Codex were adopted by Australia, Denmark, Germany and Norway and many products have been co-opted by pharmaceutical companies and repacked as drugs. The Health Protection Branch of Canada has registered 'natural therapeutic' food products as drugs. Fish oil (for joints), cranberry capsules (urinary problems) and hawthorn berries (heart) have all been issued DIN numbers (drug identification number)." ISIS concludes, that "this is a thoroughly disproportionate degree of 'protection' imposed on what are in effect harmless food items, especially when conventional drugs kill" so many people every year.

Agricultural and pharmaceutical corporations are trans-national. Sound business practice requires international harmonization in trade. Because most 171 Codex member states are also World Trade Organization members, the stage is set for world-wide trade harmonization. Ratified Codex guidelines are enforced among its members by the WTO court (which operates in secret) as well as by CAFTA, NAFTA and several more trade treaties involving Europe, Australia and North America. Each of these treaties has clauses referring explicitly to Codex for the simple reason that the major players are the pharmaceutical, agricultural and food producing corporations that want to remove every possible trade barrier � or, to put it another way: reduce responsibility for quality.

We live in a world in which corporations hope to create designer customers who are offered one-size-fits-all products to make them into corporate engines of wealth. Today, the customer is the last resource on earth that is not totally controlled and exploited. Customers who ask questions concerning quality, safety and especially sound science are the only formidable barrier remaining to corporate world control.

The July 12th ruling of the International Court of Justice in Luxembourg followed the July 4th Rome meeting of Codex when the 85 countries present ratified these restrictive guidelines for dietary supplements. Canada and the USA were among them. Objections from China and South Africa were ignored. Just as in the original 2001 version, the current guidelines, under Article 6 (2) of the EU Directive, strictly prohibit information about diseases being treatable by nutrients and call for future supplement dosage restrictions. Conspiracy? No way! To borrow a phrase by Moynihan and Cassels about Big Pharma's tactics in general: "This is daylight robbery."

Eight days after the Rome meeting, the International Court of Justice handed down a ruling that surprised everyone. The judges conceded that EU countries were free to have a law that regulated production and trade in dietary supplements, namely the EU Directive, which also forms the basis of the international Codex guidelines. However, the judges agreed with the Advocate General Justice Geelhoed who had in April put his finger on a sore spot and observed that there was a rather odd "preference for the inorganic forms [of vitamins] which results in unjustifiable and disproportionate exclusion of their natural forms, which are, nevertheless, common in the normal diet and generally better tolerated by the body." Justice Geelhoed had also noted that the Directive requires completely unnecessary toxicity studies: "It would be odd to start the evaluation procedure [of all supplements according to risk assessment principles used for toxins and synthetic drugs] from zero again, when it is clear that the products concerned have already undergone [tests] establishing safety and bioavailability [which should be used] as the existing evaluations as a starting point."

2005 was a close call: had the Alliance for Natural Health not appealed to the EU Advocate and then proceeded to the International Court of Justice, Europe would have been the first vast area virtually under complete Big Pharma control. Most vitamins and minerals would have been banned from the European market on August 1 this year, some to return at exorbitant prices after Big Pharma had identified and created patented synthetic analogs.

Now, however, the game has shifted. Big Pharma is no longer solely in control, except in countries that have already adopted these stringent guidelines, such as Denmark, Australia, and especially Germany. I received an email on September 6th from Germany informing me that a bottle of 90 vitamin E capsules now costs 45.50 Euros, which is about $ 70 � manufactured, patented and marketed by a pharmaceutical company and, in limited amounts, available without prescription. This price is about seven times higher than in Canada.

Furthermore, the Court dealt a terrific blow to Big Pharma and the corporate agenda by ruling that this restrictive Directive does not apply to vitamins and minerals in their "natural forms", but only to those from "synthetic sources or those derived from a manufacturing process using chemical substances." Thus, natural substances that have necessarily been part of our diet for the past several million years cannot be regulated in a restrictive manner, nor can they be subjected to toxicity studies in the same manner as is necessary for synthetic chemicals used in drugs. The ANH lawyers who led these two legal challenges state that "food supplements in the EU [will] not be classified as drugs and [will be] readily available across the EU."

However, the battle is far from over. The Court did not forbid the scientific assessment of supplements as part of this international trade harmonization process. That means, they can still be subjected to corporate-driven phony science and be sold at very high prices in very low dosages to make more money from less � which, according to the ANH and Dr Verkerk is exactly what the industry now wants to achieve. Whose science will be used? Big Pharma's "tobacco science", or independent science based on actual research, not financed by any industry? The International Court of Justice clearly orders independent scientific assessments, but enforcing this is another matter. Dr Verkerk said that several leading universities in Europe have joined the health freedom movement in order to establish an assessment process that is truly scientific and not corporate controlled, to ensure that meaningless low dosages will not become the standard. Research institutions and medical organizations in the US are also joining. An international health freedom conference on Codex is taking place in Minneapolis on October 28 � 30th to hammer out strategy.

Most helpfully, a British filmmaker has produced a documentary on Codex entitled "We Become Silent". It will be aired in the US late this year and seen by an estimated 25 million people. On Saturday, November 5th, I will be showing it for the first time in Canada at OISE in Toronto (12 noon � 4 pm) and I will report on the results of the Minneapolis conference. The film shows how Codex may affect Canada, unless we all work to protect natural medicine, which actually works.

Sources:

M Angell, The Truth About The Drug Companies, Random, 2004 (former editor New England Journal of Medicine)

C Dean, MD, Death By Modern Medicine, Matrix Verite, 2005

S Ellison, Health Myths Exposed, Author House, 2005 (former drug designer for Big Pharma)

D Healy, MD, Let Them Eat Prozac, Lorimer, 2003

J Kassirer, MD, On The Take: How Medicines Complicity With Big Business Can Endanger Your Health, Oxford University Press, 2005 (former editor New England Journal of Medicine)

R Moynihan & A Cassels, Selling Sickness: How The Worlds Biggest Pharmaceutical Companies Are Turning Us All Into Patients, Nation Books, 2005 (from the British Medical Journal and Canada's CBC)

German-born, Helke Ferrie is the owner and director of KOS Publishing (incorporated in Ontario, Canada, in July 2002). Ferrie's education includes prehistoric, ancient, Near Eastern and Greek archaeology; Chinese and Buddhist studies; and she holds a master's degree in physical anthropology. Her areas of special interest are the evolution of disease and the application of Complexity Theory to biological evolution. "

I can't see why society would not think you are valuable. You're you and you can, like anyone, choose to contribute in your way to changing society. Everyone in their own small way, a small part of a whole, can opt for changing things around them and you're already in the process of doing that as far as I can see.

You're thinking things through, you're bright enough to understand a great deal and to search for answers to things you don't. Its all good and you'll get there and help change things, probably quicker than many of the people that have made you feel that you aren't valuable. Go girl.

I believe they say (this is the Pubmed version and so also provides a meta-analysis link) that they "re-analysed the 13 published family-based association studies between ADHD and the DAT gene."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;db=PubMed&list_uids=15722958&dopt=Abstract

Meta-analysis of family-based association studies between the dopamine transporter gene and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

Purper-Ouakil D, Wohl M, Mouren MC, Verpillat P, Ades J, Gorwood P.

CHU Robert Debre (AP-HP, Paris VII), Paris, France.

INTRODUCTION: Molecular genetic research has mainly focused on the D4 dopamine receptor (DRD4) and the dopamine transporter (DAT) genes in attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). A recent meta-analysis showed that the DRD4 gene has a significant role in the vulnerability to ADHD. OBJECTIVES: With an equal number of positive and negative association studies between the 10-repeat of the DAT gene and ADHD, a meta-analysis is required for this other candidate gene. METHODS: We re-analysed the 13 published family-based association studies between ADHD and the DAT gene. Following recent recommendations, different biases were specifically assessed, such as the sample-size effect and the time effect. RESULTS: The meta-analysis showed no significant association between ADHD and the DAT gene (P = 0.21), but an important between-samples heterogeneity (P = 0.0009). Odds ratios above 1 are mostly observed in studies with a small number of informative transmissions, and decrease with larger sample size. CONCLUSIONS: Contrary to what was found for the DRD4 gene, the 10-repeat allele of the DAT gene has at most a minor role in the genetic susceptibility of ADHD. The different biases detected herein probably explain the initial impression of a significant impact of the DAT gene on hyperactivity.

Publication Types:

Meta-Analysis

PMID: 15722958 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

I hope that helps/saves some valuable time. As you can see here, the Pubmed version has links accessing associated studies. You may be right of course, but I was of the understanding that the above was not a University of Oregon study.

curus38636.8787152778

[QUOTE=chjones]oh sorry auntie. i can't help it....

[/QUOTE]

It's O.K. I understand and no doubt I'll be jumping in again. Darn it!

[QUOTE=chjones]mmmm i love almonds! i eat them a lot.

and i used to eat fish a lot too. but i hate soy. yuck! i like milk and dairy products.

i have bought some fish oil omega capsules and some magnesium --- so we'll see how it goes.

all in all - despite ranting at balanced - i'm alright on lots of levels. and even happy from time to time!

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I'm munching on almonds as I am reading this and just ate the last one. Now if I could just monitor how many I eat in one sitting.

Chjones,

I too want to learn as much as I can. And I have found wonderful information from member's I repsect, from sources I trust. (I have spent hours verifying the sources) Another thing that is frustrating is whenever a link to some study is provided and it seems suspicious then I spend hours on the computer reading how the study was conducted and then become a P.I. seeing if there is a connection that makes the study null and void because someone had an agenda.

Needless to say, I found problems with the University of Oregon study but I'm not done yet...just ran out of time.

BTW: I'm a vegatarian also but not so much of a "nut" about it that I won't continue using the Omega's/fish oil too.

you are so cool, auntie!!!!

you are great. boy it's lovely i have the research first presented
and then verified. you sure i shouldn't be paying for this????

(i hope not cos i am broke - consequence of ADD
unfortunately).

[QUOTE=chjones]you are so cool, auntie!!!!

you are great. boy it's lovely i have the research first presented
and then verified. you sure i shouldn't be paying for this????

(i hope not cos i am broke - consequence of ADD
unfortunately).

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Well I think you are awesome. You have impressed me time and time again.

I also want to add - some studies I reject because I find a problem right off the bat but this particular one I thought was going to be a good one. I'm just digging into why they rejected so many of the other studies and didn't include them in their compilation.

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Actually, feeding the "trolls" can inadvertantly feed the "thirsty". I just wanted to say thanks to chuckles for the research info.. I'm gonna go look all that up, I like to know as much as I can about all I am putting into my body.. good and bad..

Although I certainly wish the people yelling "FIRE" in the movie theatre would calm themselves down...sigh

Sherry

Chjones - On the other hand maybe dopamine isn't as involved as was thought (going on the 2005 dopamine transporter gene and ADHD genetics results) which might be why the fish oil studies are having more success - if so, you might find it works for you

Meta-analysis of family-based association studies between the dopamine transporter gene and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Psychiatric Genetics. 15(1):53-59, March 2005.
Purper-Ouakil, D. a; Wohl, M. a b; Mouren, M. C. a c; Verpillat, P. b; Ades, J. b c; Gorwood, P. b c : http://www.psychgenetics.com/pt/re/psychgen/abstract.0004144 4-200503000-00009.htm;jsessionid=DMTu7Zl2MK0x4seb20ULew59zpb O1dsjDX0Qb1HqDinxIK2SEuDJ!586698740!-949856144!9001!-1 well you know deep down i also think it can be resolved in a number of different ways. food can help; the exercises annidagostini mentioned can help; changing negative thought patterns can help; coping mechanisms can help

of course the adderall does all of that (supresses the symptoms without necessarily working on the cause) in one knock-out, fantastic quick fix.

and sometimes i think that is all i need - because i enjoy my ADD on some levels. but i have hope that working through the ADD on a holistic level and trying to address the root causes may lead me to become a better, mentally healthier, spiritually more rounded person (as well as more productive/effective etc. etc.) --- at least i hope so! it could of course be a complete disaster but i have always been a bit of a dreamer.

i also want to change society to value us more - on top of all of that!

yup - there i was thinking i had no ambition and in fact i want to change the world and myself with it.... oops

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=37 003 Nuts to You

Provided by Psychology Today

Some foods pack a big nutritional wallop into a little space. Almonds must be close to the top of the list.

Particularly nutrient dense, almonds contain a variety of goodies long known to be critical to mental health. Among them are the B vitamin folate and the amino acid tyrosine, a precursor to the neurotransmitter dopamine. Then there's magnesium, which contributes to many enzymes that power the brain's intense metabolic activity. Have we mentioned antioxidants, such as quercetin, which protect brain cells from oxidative damage?..."

yeah, it's interesting the food thing. i come from a family of four - we all ate the same foods. and very healthily i believe aswell (i can count on the fingers of one hand the amount of times i have been into a fast-food outlet like MacDonalds etc.). plenty of veg and meat and fruit and well cooked - my mother is Cordon Bleu trained and was well known as an excellent chef in our area, often asked to provide gourmet meals for special events etc. yet two of us had it and two of us didn't. i was also at a boarding school for a number of years and we all ate the same food EXACTLY and yet my ADD never went away or got specifically better. (which is quite an excellent control group - when you think about it).

i am now a vegetarian (just on the principal that i am trying to cause less pain in general --- having been such a pain in the butt i have a lot of bad karma to account/make up for). although i have started with the fish oil capsules none the less.

i think i had a tendency toward ADD, anyway perhaps. and if i can figure out what it is specifically to me (if i have a specific issue) that i am lacking or reacting to within the food... because in my situation it wasn't the case of a 'bad diet' - as in processed foods or stuff out of tins as far as i can see.

i am fairly naturally slim build as are two of my sisters - and have never been anything but skinny when growing up with a very fast metabolic rate. everyone would go more "where do you put it??? you're so lucky!"

and i don't know where i put it - i was always hungry. that was it.

but anyways - thanks very much for the links

and apologies if i come across a little as ranting at balanced --- but it is really NOT helpful to tell ADD kids they are lazy or bored. we spent our life feeling guilty, feeling stupid, feeling useless... this is already what goes through the head of an ADD kid "i'm stupid, i'm stupid, i'm stupid. i'm lazy, i can't do it, i'm stupid, i'm rubbish, i'm lazy, i'm a worry, i'm thick, i can't make it, i'm bad, it's all my fault, i'm a useless daughter, i hate myself, i'm thick, i'm stupid, i'm lazy, i'm lazy, it's all my fault, i should kill myself, i hate myself, i'm stupid, lazy, stupid, lazy, stupid, lazy, why can't i make it, i'm stupid, i'm lazy, i hate myself"

so to get it again from balanced just really hit a raw friking nerve. to act as if he was telling us something we haven't heard. it's all we ever heard.

it's not helpful. it worse than unhelpful - it's damaging, really destructively damaging. and painful. and cruel.

i spend 32 years of my life believing that. really just hating myself and my friking inability to be able to GET ON with it. my laziness. my ineptness. my inability to be able to do anything despite my apparently high IQ. my constant internal fighting. my paralysis. it really doesn't help to hate yourself. it is no solution to be told you are bored or lazy. i know he can't understand. and i don't blame him for that. i couldn't understand what it was to be normal, i had NO concept of what it was like to be normal --- until at the age of 32 i was put on some painkillers --- and it knocked out the ADD part of me. it was like a watershed! it was like a miracle - suddenly going to get a pint of milk was just that --- so simple. so boringly simple that then i had to think well, what should i do next!

all that constant chatter and paralysis just disappeared. it was like some great gate had come down and shut off the flow and at the same time cleared up the flood waters so i could see and think clearly, normally - in an entirely different way than i had ever experienced. it was quite something (and yet i intuitively immediately realised that that was what everyone else went through life like!).

extraordinary. amazing.

but there is no point to try to explain again and again. it is hopeless.

thanks for the link.

at least they acknowledge that ADD exists --- somewhere!?!

It'll be hard to worki out maybe, but then again its posible the fish oil will make a lot of difference, it has in studies in schools in Durham, England and other places.

I suppose its possible that if you were so energetic and hungry and your metabolism was using up nutrients rapidly- you may have needed even more than you were getting - no idea.

There's also quite a few studies on low iron playing a part in ADHD symptoms, have you looked into that?

Easiest way might be to type into a search

Dopamine and nutrition

and see what comes up, some will be about parkinsons, dementia, alzheimers, but many of those can also be relevant when trying to work out just which part of science/nutrition might apply to you as an individual.

Good luck with the fish oil, I hope that works for you

mmmm i love almonds! i eat them a lot.

and i used to eat fish a lot too. but i hate soy. yuck! i like milk and dairy products.

i have bought some fish oil omega capsules and some magnesium --- so we'll see how it goes.

all in all - despite ranting at balanced - i'm alright on lots of levels. and even happy from time to time!

I don't like soya either, nor almonds really.

Magnesium is good, glad you're taking that as well as fish capsules.

I expect the nutrition thread's got tons of food advice but if I find a site packed with it and it looks like a handy reference, I'll post it here for you just in case it isn't already up.

Glad to see you aren't blacking your own eye again

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BALANCED society accepts truth.

Nonsense is often spouted by the unbalanced.

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i seriously believe part of the problem is defining "normal/sane" when it comes to mental/emotional "disorder/illness/disease. i am very dominate left handed. schools as recently as the 1960's tried to force righthandedness on me. studies indicate that forcing the body to operate with the wrong hand increases mental and emotional stress. i am not wrong to be lefty, its how i'm wired. Dr lynn weiss strongly argues that so called attention deficit disorder is in fact a differance in wiring. "What neuroscience has shown us recently is that ADD is a distinctive "flavor" or style of brain organization,one that favors creativity and simultaneous multilevel processing over linear, detail-oriented thought",writes Dr weiss. she speaks of BEING ad(h)d, not having it. i want to find the drug which will show me how the "majority think/feel", learn behaviors to better survive in the attention surplus disorder world, but i like me as i am, and wish to remain my creative mutilevel thinking self.