Balanced - why are you here? | ADHD Information
yeah and did you know davie boy that Paris Hilton is really the new Monica Lewisnky to george w bush? yep and while she does that he takes his ritalin....yep he does i read it on some link to some place where balanced gets all of his info......good sight balanced...not you idiot!
troll...troll...troll...troll...
*ack! These Americommies!~~
What are they gonna think up next?
Hey, I heard all the space travel is really filmed in Hollywood. Tom Cruise is head of their creativity division.
[QUOTE=Davidornado]Pat Robertson was set up by the U.S. Goverment to bug Canadian atheists...
George W. Bush is really Elvis in disguise...
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Oh my gosh....tell me it ain't so...Why, David...I believe you. It must be true because you said so. And did you know the government secretly taught bed bugs to bite you in your sleep because they don't want you to get a good nights sleep. They are out to make people walk around half asleep so the government can get away with murder and no one will know the difference because we will all be so tired. I think I found that in National Inquirer but not sure but IT IS TRUE!!!!!!
Hey, I think this may be the trick to getting rid of Trolls. We'll just keep adding to their stupid posts with even more stupid stuff. I like that idea!
[QUOTE=Auntie]Hey, I think this may be the trick to getting rid of Trolls. We'll just keep adding to their stupid posts with even more stupid stuff. I like that idea![/QUOTE]
hey i like the idea too.....besides it is much funner than getting pissed...he is lucky i dont know where he lives or the b club and 3rd eyes would take care of him
There are sites out there that give tips to girls on how to be anorexic.
There are sites out there that give tips on commiting suicide.
There are sites out there that teach kids how to get high.
Why choose a medical disease board and clog it up with your stupid ignorant posts?
Do you cite your sources?
Does anyone like you?
No.
Go away.
Well, since Balanced can just ramble and make up stuff as she/he goes along...so can I....
Did you know that there is a secret group that sneaks up while you are sleeping and shoots you up with a medicine that makes you go out and rob stores? The governement endorses this secret group. They also hypnotize you through T.V. commercials which in turn makes you go give money to their cause.
We have to stop these people!
Hey Dreamer!
I've got an idea, link her the web pages to the suicide site...
I'll go look for one on how to build atomic bombs, and change it a whee bit...
Make sure you don't send a link to an anti-depressant site, we want to speed up her transition...
OMG!...what if balanced was diagnosed ADHD, and began to take Novartis' Ritalin, and was saved!!! Would we have to be nice, then?
Pat Robertson was set up by the U.S. Goverment to bug Canadian atheists...
George W. Bush is really Elvis in disguise...
Dear annidasgostini,
Drug companies do not create profit for their shareholders by simply selling drugs to those who actually benefit from them.
Revenue from sales is the only concern for them. They don't care if you "need" the drug or are helped or harmed by it.... as long as you buy it.
Women are by far the most lucrative target for drug companies. Not only are they more willing to trust the drug company's claims, they also are willing to have their children exposed to them.
In 1987, 10% of the population suffered from "untreated depression". By 2004,... 40% of Mormon women were taking antidepressants. You say that "medication can be over prescribed... people know that".
Certainly looks to me like people are slow learners. Look at some of the posts in this forum... one woman is trying to get the doctor to drug her 4 yr old and he won't do it until the kid is 5. Another is thinking that her 2 yr old is ADHD because he is so active and wants him drugged.
Doctors get bonuses to prescribe drugs, so you will always find one willing to do it. Drug reps make a very good income based on how many drugs they sell... and they are taught very well on how to sell drugs.
The 0,000 that Eli Lilly or the 0,000 that GSK pays you when they kill your kid with their drugs is simply a "business expense". There's no remorse, no apology, no emotion whatsoever.
I've never said that ADHD is false. All I'm saying is that the "cure" is far more dangerous than the "disease".
AGAIN WHY ARE YOU HERE? HAVENT YOU LEFT FOR GOOD YET...STOP PUTTING DOWN OUR RIGHT TO BELIEF WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR OURSELVES AND OUR CHILDREN IS BEST...KEEP IT OFF AND U WILL BE REPORTED TO THE ADMIN...I AM NO LONGER IN THE MOOD TO HEAR WHAT FALSE STATEMENTS U CANT EVEN BACK UP ANYLONGER......TROLLYippee...a green haired voodoo doll. You are right...you believe Balanced has green hair...therefore she does. For sure my voodoo will work! And of course you can fly....after all you need only think something and then that makes it true. And if you post it that seals the deal. It beomes fact. Hey, don't underestimate the damage the "Auntie-Club Club" can do either! I did get so mad at one time I thought my head would burst. This is much funner!
did you know that if david says its true that it is but only if unsubstantiated by shakespeare, reworded by terrie and kissed by the boys? Oh and if auntie tries her voodoo and it doesn't work it is only b/c she has red-headed trolls in her collection. I truly believe Balanced must have green hair so Auntie I am sending you a green headed troll to work your magic upon
Is he gone yet? Do i make sense or am i not really adhd?
I believe i can fly.........
You sound like an extremest to me. To bad you lack credibility. And no, please don't post more statistics. You can pull statistics from any source to support an arguement. I am thankful for antidepressents. I have had personal experience with loved ones who have had to use them at one point in their lives. Today they are back on track with full happy lives. To not agree with antidepressents is fine. To badger people is not.Women in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints do have more children. They might suffer from post partum depression, so, balanced, that might be where the statistics you quote comes from. But I find it hard to believe that a religion that helps me so much would be causing depression.
Also, there are men in any religion or out of religion who want to dominate women's lives. But I know from hearing many talks by President Hinckley, our prophet, that husbands are to treat their wives with love, respect, and kindness. They are to be treated as equals. So let's clear up that little misunderstanding. Women are treated very well in this church. I think it is a common misconception that people hear in the press all the time because of break-away groups. In reality that is not the case.
I really don't want to get into religion here on these posts. This is supposed to be a place to talk about ADD and ADHD related issues. But I do want to set the record straight.
If any of you have questions about the LDS faith, you can private message me. I can tell you what it is like from my perspective, someone who found this religion and decided to join this church. Other than that, let's get back to posting on the issues of ADD and ADHD.
Thanks
A woman of convictions.I applaud you, annidagostini!
Stick to your guns.
David-0
David - Thanks, I appreciate your support. You are a life-saver on these posts.
I applaud you!
Anni
Let's have a round of applause for Anni and Davie-0! GlenW
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Again - according to NIH stats (last year - very up to date) - SSRI use in total is 9.5 percent of US citizens - 18.8 million of those are adults. Out of those - a total of 60 percent - or 11.28 million of them are women. That's 3.8 percent of the total population. Took that info from the US census - last year's.
US numbers are taken from a larger base than utah. Utahians (which is a state not county - get it straight) tend to be less likely to enter into surveys - especially when something as personal as medication and suicide are concerned. This will skew the data - not allowing for a very clear picture. Statistics are all about getting a large sample and weeding out variances to get the best information.
We are still on the SSRIs - which bothers me that if you don't have enough muck to spread on ADHD - you will mention anything. What next - we get the group to ignore your SSRI talk and you bring up the abuse of cough medicine?
Glen,
SSRI use in the TOTAL USA is 9.5%.... that's right.
Adult women make up 60% of SSRI users in the TOTAL USA... right again.
Utah is a STATE... not a county.... right again. BUT, THERE ARE 29 COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF UTAH !!! ONE OF THEM IS CALLED... UTAH COUNTY !!!
Utah COUNTY has the highest concentration of Mormons in Utah STATE.
Utah COUNTY has the highest SSRI use in the state... and on a per capita basis... in the whole USA... and therefore... IN THE WORLD !!!
A report done a few years ago for the Brigham Young University is titled ... THE RISE IN PROZAC USE MIRRORS THE RISE IN THE SUICIDE RATE IN UTAH !!!
SSRIs are safe when used as directed.... WRONG !!!! THEY ARE KILLER DRUGS !!!
There are already reports that prove that your "safe" ADHD meds are not SAFE !!
He's dead, Jim.Poor Jim.
Dear Balanced,
I can see that you are very concerned with what you see as a total conspiracy on the part of doctors and pharmacutical companies to con all of us into believing that there is a fake disease called ADHD that they want to get rich on.
Do you have ADHD or ADD? Do you know what it is like to have this disorder?
I can tell you from my perspective that it is real.
I have lived with it all my life. I have struggled with the symptoms and the consequences of those symptoms.
I have also seen many children in my classes - I am a teacher - suffer, academically and socially - from this disorder.
I saw one little first grader cry every day because he couldn't get things right. He thought the other children were watching him and teasing him (not happening) He was melting down every day. He was a very bright child.
The parents - all on their own, (my school had a rule about not talking to parents about any problems you saw as ADHD etc. ) took their child in and a doctor dx ADHD. He was on medication next. The improvement in that little boy was amazing. He was able to sit and do his work. He no longer thought all the children were watching him. His daily melt downs stopped. He was happy that he could finally do what he knew instinctively he could do.
Now to me this was a new world for this little boy. He was struggling with something that was beyond his control. The medication helped him immensely.
I am so anti medication, you would not believe it - but to see the difference it made in this little boy's life - I can't tell you.
To see children struggle in school, socially, emotionally, and academically because their parents will not even consider medication is very hard. I see them wonder why they are different than others. I see them fail tests. I see them fail at freindships. I see them get expelled because of their socially unacceptable behavior.
I also see the improvements that the medication makes in their lives.
If there are alternatives I believe you should try them. I am trying exercises right now and they are really working for me. I don't like taking medicine.
But if there hadn't been medication for me to take, I never would have known the world on the other side. I don't think I would have been motivated to seek out any other alternative treatment.
Medication has its purpose. Of course, it can be over prescribed. People know that. Parents know that.
Please trust us. We have all tried many things and we will continue to try them.
ADD Exists.
ADHD is a REALITY.
atheiADHDism is BOGUS.
BALANCED society accepts truth.
Nonsense is spouted by unbalanced people.
Ritalin, ADDerall, Strattera, and their a.i.'s are effective
frontline
medicinal
treatments
Think she'll get the point? hehe
Well SAID, Anti!!!
I have to agree with you 100%!!!
OMG!...YOU ROCK!!!
I wannabe jes' lak U!!!
[QUOTE=Davidornado]Well SAID, Anti!!!
I have to agree with you 100%!!!
OMG!...YOU ROCK!!!
I wannabe jes' lak U!!!
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Gee, Anti and David....Anti seems familiar. Oh nevermind. Guess not.
Why,thank you!,
Mister Davidornado!
You are sooooo kind, and such
a nice stalker! I should learn from you!
I like your blues, and your pyramidal thinking!
How
ADD
O F
You!
[QUOTE=Auntie][QUOTE=Davidornado]
Well SAID, Anti!!!
I have to agree with you 100%!!!
OMG!...YOU ROCK!!!
I wannabe jes' lak U!!!
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Gee, Anti and David....Anti seems familiar. Oh nevermind. Guess not.
Hi Auntie,
My name
is Anti-
[QUOTE=BALANCED]
Dear annidasgostini,
Drug companies do not create profit for their shareholders by simply selling drugs to those who actually benefit from them.
Revenue from sales is the only concern for them. They don't care if you "need" the drug or are helped or harmed by it.... as long as you buy it.
Women are by far the most lucrative target for drug companies. Not only are they more willing to trust the drug company's claims, they also are willing to have their children exposed to them.
In 1987, 10% of the population suffered from "untreated depression". By 2004,... 40% of Mormon women were taking antidepressants. You say that "medication can be over prescribed... people know that".
I've never said that ADHD is false. All I'm saying is that the "cure" is far more dangerous than the "disease".
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Balanced
How interesting that you say that 40% of Mormon women are taking antidepressants. Where do you get your information? I happen to know many Mormon women, being one myself, and I know of only one that is on antidepressants. So that sort of shoots your theory all to pieces. I don't know why you are picking on Mormons. The LDS religion is quite wonderful. If you would like to know more, I know of some missionaries I can send your way.
FYI - Mormons do not practice polygamy. There are some groups that have broken away from the Mormon church that live that way. They are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - which is the Mormon church.
Also, balanced,
You should read Glen's post on this thread. You are saying two different things.
And your quote that the "cure" is far more dangerous than the "disease" is not accurate. Not many here believe there is a cure for ADHD through medication. We all know that medication is not a cure. We don't believe that at all. We have only been helped by the medication. Also, ADHD is not a disease, it is a condition that is very complicated. It is not caused by a virus or bacteria, which diseases are. Bad eyesight is not caused by a disease either, but we still use glasses and contacts to correct the condition.
I actually believe that there is a cure for ADD and ADHD. The crawling exercises I have tried are working for me. I have posted here so often about them, that I am probably driving everyone crazy, so I won't do it here.
This has turned into a crazy post!! David and everyone else, you are so funny and awesome! Thanks for all the laughs.
how are the exercises, anni? Hi Anni,
Sorry a/b the interuptions. Something triggers us and we get carried away, and forget where we are.
How's that memory exercise go, now?
Remember, two, three, four...
Remember, two, three, four...
Remember, two, three, four...
Remember, two, three, four...
...uh, what was I trying to remember???
Oh, there's the mail box...
HeidiMarie
I have to say that things are not perfect yet, I don't suppose they ever will be perfect, but I am able to get lots done, keep organized, and stay focused on things. They are working for me!
D**n"it Jim!
I'm a miracle worker, not a Doctor!!!
Did she say the LSD relgion was quite wonderful?
Uh - funny as that is CG - it's Latter Day Saints - LDS. They don't call themselves "mormon" much these days - bad publicity attached to the name and all that.
hey annidagostini
um i was totally fascinated by the fact that so many women in Utah are on anti-depressants but it is a true statistic....
heidimarie posted a great link:
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/prozac.htm
which tries to look into the causes of why so many Mormon women are desperately unhappy... (i hope that works - i am not so good with posting links an all)
not to say that many women aren't very happy in the Mormon community too i'm sure. but the statistic was about totally right (except i think it is 40% of women in Utah - but that is 70% Mormon so approx. right anyway).
anyway - i found the link kinda interesting. and the statistic even more so.
how amazing that a choice of lifestyle can cause depression in so many... something to think about!
One of the reason that LDS ladies suffer from depression more often than the general population could be that many of their husbands take the bible and the book of mormon very seriously and see women as virtually their property. The woman is there to have the kids and keep the household together - and then if there's something left they can have a life.
I'm NOT saying that the modern LDS church endorses this - ok so no LDS flames please. Many fundy churches attract men who want to be controlling within the marriage - and the women who want to please the church and the man can often get swept up in a bad marriage. They also tend to frown on breaking from the marriage and church - so there's nowhere to go in their eyes.
It's a cultural thing - and it's sad.
And the local theory of why so many Mormon women are on antidepressants is... TRUST !!!!
THE MORMON DRUG REP "TRUSTS" HIS SUPERIORS. THE MORMON DOCTORS "TRUST" THE REPS AND THE FDA.
THE MORMON WOMEN TRUST THEIR DOCTORS.
There are a lot of horror stories coming out of Utah these days involving SSRI drugs.
MORMON WOMEN ARE NOT GIVEN THESE DRUGS BECAUSE THEY'RE DEPRESSED. IT'S BECAUSE HAVING SO MANY LITTLE KIDS AROUND AND SO MANY THINGS TO DO FOR THE CHURCH THEY ARE STRESSED... AND THAT FALLS INTO PAXIL TERRITORY OF "GENERAL ANXIETY DISORDER".
UTAH ALSO HAS A VERY HIGH RATE OF SUICIDE... THANKS TO THESE "SAFE' DRUGS AND THEY ALSO LEAD THE WORLD ON THE USE OF ADDICTIVE PAINKILLERS.
And Glen... they still call themselves MORMONS !
Balanced - you attention addict:
First - the accepted name for their church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The head of the church has been using that name for years now. We have a large congregation here in Alberta - one of the largest outside of Utah.
Secondly - even depression and anxiety from valid causes is still the same thing. You recommend that we don't even treat these people in need - just so you can feel better?
The statistics are there - the incidents of suicide in their community can still be written off as within expected amounts considering their population - and that the number surveyed is small compared to the actual number using. Remember - statistics is something I understand - and you take as gospel. Talk about trusting without being informed!
Balanced trusts his anti med sites - anti med sites trust we are so dumb we can't figure out what's real.
Sad
"How interesting that you say that 40% of Mormon women are taking antidepressants. Where do you get your information? I happen to know many Mormon women, being one myself, and I know of only one that is on antidepressants. So that sort of shoots your theory all to pieces. I don't know why you are picking on Mormons. The LDS religion is quite wonderful. If you would like to know more, I know of some missionaries I can send your way. "
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Dear annidagostini,
The facts about 40% of Mormon women come from a blend of statistics. It's a fact that 16% of Utah's population is on antidepressants. It's a fact that 70% of antidepressant users are women. It's also a fact that Utah County has the highest population of Mormons and the highest use of Prozac. So, I might be out a point or two, but it's awfully close to 40% of Mormon women on SSRI antidepressants. ( The National average is just over 30% of women on antidepressants)
I'm not picking on Mormons or the LDS church. Just stating odd facts.
Whenever I ask the missionaries why President Hinkley allowed this to happen, they promise to, but never come back with an answer.
I am checking out that link and it is VERY interesting. I'm going back now to finish reading. I may do a little more research. This is very compelling because this is a Morman man basically seeing his error of ways with his wife. O.K....I'm going back now to finish.yeah i thought it was fascinating. check out the link too, Glen, if you areinterested.
(back a couple of pages i guess - on my first reply to anni's post - there
is a link to some info on the depression rates amongst Mormon women).
[QUOTE=chjones]yo auntie. i'm with you on that one on lots of levels but then again -
imagine how difficult it is. your entire family support is there probably.
your church (they might ex-communicate you for running away to be
happy). you have no level of job skills if you have been a home-maker
your entire life. you have no experience of life outside a Mormon
community --- i mean it'd be terrifying. and then could you support the
children?? or is it a case or saving yourself and leaving the children
behind --- what woman would choose that? not many.
how impossible it must seem to be able to leave. i mean just impossible.
it is not as though America is particularly well set up to support those on
the breadline either. no free council house, no housing benefit to pay
your rent either, no signing on the dole for a few years while you sort
yourself out - none of that social welfare. what could they do?
they are kinda stuck. the link that heidimarie posted was really
interesting. check it out.
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You, of course are absolutely right. It would be impossible - utterly impossible.
I just wish Balanced would tell us what she thinks these women should do. And actually, if these Morman women are on drugs...I honestly haven't read any info regarding this.... then I am rather surprised. For some reason I thought it may be against their religion.
Just for you Glen...
I know what the name of the church is... but they still refer to themselves as MORMONS .... HERE IN UTAH !!!!!
YOU THINK WE SHOULD "TREAT" THESE "DEPRESSED" PEOPLE WITH DRUGS THAT ... NOW... LIST ... SUICIDE... SUICIDE.... SUICIDE... AS A SIDE EFFECT !!!!!!!!
THE STATISTICS ARE DEFINITELY THERE !!!! YOU ARE 68 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT SUICIDE IF YOU ARE TAKING AN SSRI ANTIDEPRESSANT THAN IF YOU WERE "UNTREATED" OR TAKING A PLACEBO !!!!!!
C'mon Glen... you're on PAXIL... aren't you... ? (That's why you take that "irritable bowel" drug ).
Again - according to NIH stats (last year - very up to date) - SSRI use in total is 9.5 percent of US citizens - 18.8 million of those are adults. Out of those - a total of 60 percent - or 11.28 million of them are women. That's 3.8 percent of the total population. Took that info from the US census - last year's.
US numbers are taken from a larger base than utah. Utahians (which is a state not county - get it straight) tend to be less likely to enter into surveys - especially when something as personal as medication and suicide are concerned. This will skew the data - not allowing for a very clear picture. Statistics are all about getting a large sample and weeding out variances to get the best information.
We are still on the SSRIs - which bothers me that if you don't have enough muck to spread on ADHD - you will mention anything. What next - we get the group to ignore your SSRI talk and you bring up the abuse of cough medicine?
Balanced,
What is your answer for these depressed women. My answer is for those women to get the heck out of Utah - away from their husbands and take the kids with them.
Or should they just suffer and eventually do themselves in because they are so unhappy?
Wow - dig at me for the meds I take? Why - do they come up as a killer in your eyes too?
I'm not on SSRIs of any type. I feel great - my life is good and my meds for ADHD make everything so much better. Never thought of killing myself - but the thought of justifyable homicide has come up a couple times lately. Kidding - but I digress.
If you want us to take you seriously here - stay on topic. Tell us - oh wise and wonderful wizard - what info do you have on ADHD meds to give us today? You'd do best to stick off the other meds - there are already antidepression sites you can troll for that you know. I'll give you the links if that will make you leave.
yo auntie. i'm with you on that one on lots of levels but then again -imagine how difficult it is. your entire family support is there probably.
your church (they might ex-communicate you for running away to be
happy). you have no level of job skills if you have been a home-maker
your entire life. you have no experience of life outside a Mormon
community --- i mean it'd be terrifying. and then could you support the
children?? or is it a case or saving yourself and leaving the children
behind --- what woman would choose that? not many.
how impossible it must seem to be able to leave. i mean just impossible.
it is not as though America is particularly well set up to support those on
the breadline either. no free council house, no housing benefit to pay
your rent either, no signing on the dole for a few years while you sort
yourself out - none of that social welfare. what could they do?
they are kinda stuck. the link that heidimarie posted was really
interesting. check it out.
[QUOTE=BALANCED]
Just for you Glen...
I know what the name of the church is... but they still refer to themselves as MORMONS .... HERE IN UTAH !!!!!
YOU THINK WE SHOULD "TREAT" THESE "DEPRESSED" PEOPLE WITH DRUGS THAT ... NOW... LIST ... SUICIDE... SUICIDE.... SUICIDE... AS A SIDE EFFECT !!!!!!!!
THE STATISTICS ARE DEFINITELY THERE !!!! YOU ARE 68 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT SUICIDE IF YOU ARE TAKING AN SSRI ANTIDEPRESSANT THAN IF YOU WERE "UNTREATED" OR TAKING A PLACEBO !!!!!!
C'mon Glen... you're on PAXIL... aren't you... ? (That's why you take that "irritable bowel" drug ).
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68 times huh? References please?
Last large survey (1998) the center for disease control put the suicide rate at 30,575 americans in toto. That's about 1 percent of the population btw.
Most of those were elderly - over 65. most people taking SSRI meds? under 40. Now - if these meds made it 68 times more likely (a 6800 percent increase), the total suicides due to the meds should be able to show in the stats. They don't.
SSRIs are safe when used as directed. ADHD meds are safe as used as directed. Innoculation of children is safe - far safer than not doing so. You are fighting on the wrong side. If you want better disclosure from pharmaceutical companies - go attack them. We are happy with our meds - they work and it's proven time and time again.
Under your thinking - you should go after the makers of the planes for september 11th. You should attack the families of the passengers for letting them get on such a dangerous mode of travel. Make any more sense than what you are doing?
Meds all have risks - but your stats are totally wrong. You keep brining them up - but most of the time you don't have the sense to attach where you get them. Most debates (I doubt you debated in school or you'd be better at it) require that you back up your numbers with valid - peer-reviewed numbers and list the references to them unabridged - or at least link to the location so others can inspect them for validity.
You are brining a feather duster to a gunfight balanced - you can't win where there are so many helped by these meds.
And - get off the other meds here - we are not depressed we can't pay attention. Especially when you post it's an effort.
It is a lot of reading so I think I will finish tomorrow. I saved the link. On one hand...I always knew the basic Morman beliefs...that women had no say in anything but to acually read it is almost a shock to me. I REALLY don't want to come out and say it is wrong - I don't like to condem any religion but GOSH, THAT IS SO WRONG.
Wow, did you feel a little dumbfounded after reading this, Chjones? I'm kind of speechless. Really need to mull this all over. Thanks for gently pushing me to read this link. 
yup i found it really sad-making and small-feeling somehow. [QUOTE=GlenW]
Auntie - to check on this "fact" about LDS women and SSRIs - do a google search on it. I found very little - and most of it was full of anti-gay propaganda. Very skewed.
I tried to find one valid stat and there aren't any. None.
You know as well as I do that LDS communities tend to stay closed to outside scrutiny - it's just the way it is.
He just threw it in because it's referenced on the anti-med sites. If bigfoot was listed as trying to throw itself off a cliff after trying a hiker's meds - they'd bring it up too.
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I believe you....if I typed up a anit-med article, posted it on the internet, it would end up here...you can be sure. And I also believe you that you can't find any stats on that for the reason you said. BTW. Your previous post was a good one!
Delayed reaction to "Big Foot".LOL - thanks auntie!
I guess bigfoot is so "eighties" though. From the browsing at the supermarket counter - I guess "batboy" is more appropriate? I hear he's running the whitehouse now - george W. is supposedly scared of the guy.
Hey, don't be picking on my favorite president. He isn't scared of anything!
Auntie - to check on this "fact" about LDS women and SSRIs - do a google search on it. I found very little - and most of it was full of anti-gay propaganda. Very skewed.
I tried to find one valid stat and there aren't any. None.
You know as well as I do that LDS communities tend to stay closed to outside scrutiny - it's just the way it is.
He just threw it in because it's referenced on the anti-med sites. If bigfoot was listed as trying to throw itself off a cliff after trying a hiker's meds - they'd bring it up too.
HeY!!! New Game!!! Guess who I am game...
Dear whoeveristickedatme,
Women are trying to get the doctors to drug them silly...
In 1987, 10% of the 2004 40% population...
Doctors get bonuses to prescribe 0,000 simple business expenses...
why are they so unhappy in Utah???? what is it about being a Mormon that is so depressing btw?I don't think I know any Mormons - and I've never been to Utah.
and why is it only the women in Utah who are so depressed --- is it really all that bigamy thing? is that really it? making all the men happy as larry and the women running screaming into the doctors office for pills so they don't kill themselves in their misery?
could it really be that? that's not possible is it? then what else. is the weather miserable or something?
what is going on in Utah??? i'm intrigued.
[QUOTE=chjones]and why is it only the women in Utah who are so depressed --- is it really all that bigamy thing? is that really it? making all the men happy as larry and the women running screaming into the doctors office for pills so they don't kill themselves in their misery?
could it really be that? that's not possible is it? then what else. is the weather miserable or something?
what is going on in Utah??? i'm intrigued.
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Makes sense to me. When the man gets sick of wifey #4 he can get a young one and throw #4 aside. I should think that is a pretty good reason...if it is in fact true..
David...Drug them so they are silly and make jokes? Wow, I want to be silly. I'm going to go beg a doctor.
Hey, 35% of American's secretly eats healthy but they don't want the government to know because then the government may make 60% of people eat burger's to counterbalance the healthy eaters. It's because the government doesn't want one person to be healther than the other. Equal treatment or something like that.
well why not Auntie, i'll go with that (after all why let facts get in the way of a good theory) and personally i think that is a cracking theory....so i, for one, am gonna stick with it! doubtless at the risk of offending countless Mormons out there --- but ya know, if they got a BETTER theory to put forward, i'm listening!?!
But, no, no, no chjones. Once you like a theory you must never listen to a better theory. Put your blinders on and stick to your story.
[QUOTE=Auntie][QUOTE=chjones]and why is it only the women in Utah who are so depressed --- is it really all that bigamy thing? is that really it? making all the men happy as larry and the women running screaming into the doctors office for pills so they don't kill themselves in their misery?
could it really be that? that's not possible is it? then what else. is the weather miserable or something?
what is going on in Utah??? i'm intrigued.
[/QUOTE] Makes sense to me. When the man gets sick of wifey #4 he can get a young one and throw #4 aside. I should think that is a pretty good reason...if it is in fact true..[/QUOTE]
Aahhh, is this serial polygamy? I'd prefer polygyny, if it is in fact attainable.
And chjo, the issue in Utah is it is an altitudinal desert. I think they're stroked with heat and a lack of dihydrogen oxide.
Oh, so nobody's got the right answer yet...Do you give up???
Aahhh, is this serial polygamy? I'd prefer polygyny, if it is in fact attainable.
And chjo, the issue in Utah is it is an altitudinal desert. I think they're stroked with heat and a lack of dihydrogen oxide.
and what does dihydrogen oxide do,
when its at home??? oh wait is that water by another name?
i spose it could be that then.
give up what? no yes i don't know --- what am i giving up?
man we are difficult to please!
still don't know what i am meant to be giving up.
The game... who am I?[QUOTE=BALANCED]
I've never said that ADHD is false. All I'm saying is that the "cure" is far more dangerous than the "disease".
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Uh HELLO? - I'll quote from the "Book of Balanced" - you aren't saying it's false?
"THERE IT IS !!! The cause of ADHD is "BOREDOM". People, including kids, doing stuff they don't want to do... are bored."
Posted: 10 October 2005 at 7:37pm
" I really don't agree with giving bored children legalized COCAINE and SPEED"
Posted: 10 October 2005 at 8:12pm
Sounds like you're saying we're not ADHD - just bored and everyone wants us to medicate and shut up!
I can tell you first hand that ADHD meds given to someone with ADHD does not shut them up. I'm more outgoing, focused, caring, sensitive and all-around a better person than before taking them.
You keep blaming the meds. How about the parents?? If a parent gets advice from a school source or other place that their child has ADHD and needs meds - yet they just take the word of a non-physician source - who's to blame? If the school councillor came up to me and said "well, timmy came to the school nurse and we felt a lump on his shoulder - seems like cancer you'd better get him chemo... what would you do? Just pop over to the hospital and set Timmy up on an IV? No - you'd get a second opinion and perhaps a third.
The meds are for a specific illness. Yes illness get over that.
If someone takes a med not designed for what illness they have - then problems arise. If a doctor gives you an Rx then walks away from you - problems arise. That's not the meds fault it's yours. People need to take responsibility for their health and their child's health. That's what's wrong with this whole issue.
"i'm a million different people from one day to the next...."
who's that by?
[QUOTE=Auntie]
But, no, no, no chjones. Once you like a
theory you must never listen to a better theory. Put your
blinders on and stick to your story.
But Auntie!
I'm a serial theorist!
Anti-
[QUOTE=Auntie]
But, no, no, no chjones. Once you like a theory you must never listen to a better theory. Put your blinders on and stick to your story.
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But Auntie!
I'm a serious cerialist!
Davi-
What cheeks?
Hey, this is a new exercise valpaz can ADD to her gym! Or was it her Jim?
How would it work?
Let's see...
Squeeeeeeeeze two, three, four...
Squeeeeeeeeze two, three, four...
Squeeeeeeeeze two, three, four...
Squeeeeeeeeze two, three, four...
Ooooooh, I betya her Jim would like that!!!
D**NIT JIM!!! " I'm a DOCTOR, not a HOOKER!!!chj: to quote the hubby, "holy sh*t." Anti and David......hmmm...I keep getting this feeling something is the same about them yet they are SO DIFFERENT! Just can't put my finger on it. It is not an obvious thing...no...very subtle. And gosh, I can't decide which one I like better.Auntie - time to go a-huntin! The trolls are out tonite - I have to go to bed but can ya carry the torch for me? Thanks sweetie you're a peach!
[QUOTE=chjones]"i'm a million different people from one day to the next...."who's that by?
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The Verve?
"i'm a million different people from one day to the next...."
who's that by?
The Verve Pipe, I believe. Very fitting.
[QUOTE=Auntie]Anti and David......hmmm...I keep getting this feeling something is the same about them yet they are SO DIFFERENT! Just can't put my finger on it. It is not an obvious thing...no...very subtle. And gosh, I can't decide which one I like better. [/QUOTE]
Well, I like you better, and so should you me. Does that count?
You see, Auntie, it's a Psychiatristical thing. I'm not madder, but he is. He's Anti-Matter. I simply Matter.
[QUOTE=Auntie]Anti and David......hmmm...I keep getting this feeling something is the same about them yet they are SO DIFFERENT! Just can't put my finger on it. It is not an obvious thing...no...very subtle. And gosh, I can't decide which one I like better.[/QUOTE] Well, I like me better, and so should you. Does that help?
Auntie, you see, it's a Neurologistical thing. He's madder, and I'misn't. I'm complicably Anti-Matter. He simply doesn't Matter.
[QUOTE=HeidiMarie] [QUOTE=chjones]"i'm a million different people from one day to the next...."
who's that by?
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The Verve?
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Awe shucks, I thought it was Einstien.
Oh, wait a sec, ya sure it wasn't the psycho dude, uh, what was his name? Something to do with sex... he liked Vin Mariani, too.
Freud, you odipalidiot![QUOTE=GlenW]Auntie - time to go a-huntin! The trolls are out tonite - I have to go to bed but can ya carry the torch for me? Thanks sweetie you're a peach![/QUOTE]
Gen, I started to lay into the Troll but decided not to feed it.
[/QUOTE] Well, I like me better, and so should you. Does that help?
Auntie, you see, it's a Neurologistical thing. He's madder, and I'misn't. I'm complicably Anti-Matter. He simply doesn't Matter.
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I can't take anymore. My stomach muscles are hurting. Listen Anit-Matter or David-Matter. I'm not reading any more of your posts cause I have run low on laughter power.
Found anything good about Utah yet? The Olympics were here! We have skiing!
I am joking here with you, chjones.
I find it funny that so many statistics show Utah in a bad light. That is interesting. I know people who move here to raise their families because we are a state with high family values.
The people here in Utah are wonderful in my opinion. I think that you should visit here and meet a few of them and then make your decision about Utah.
Perhaps more Utahn's are on antidepressants because we are very educated. Maybe we seek help more often than people in other states. Perhaps we trust our doctors, or we go see our doctors more often than other people in other states. Perhaps we are more in tune with our bodies and we can tell when things are wrong and so we do something about it.
I wish that you could come here for a visit. I love Utah.
Hey chjo!
What do you mean from one day to the next??? It seems almost simultaneously!!!
Thanks for the poEm, btw. I love words...
God, I love my job!*
*quote from the movie, The 4th Muskat, or something like that...
[QUOTE=Auntie][QUOTE=Anti-ADHDisbADD][QUOTE=Auntie]Anti and David......hmmm...I keep getting this feeling something is the same about them yet they are SO DIFFERENT! Just can't put my finger on it. It is not an obvious thing...no...very subtle. And gosh, I can't decide which one I like better.[/QUOTE] Well, I like me better, and so should you. Does that help?
Auntie, you see, it's a Neurologistical thing. He's madder, and I'misn't. I'm complicably Anti-Matter. He simply doesn't Matter.
[/QUOTE] I can't take anymore. My stomach muscles are hurting. Listen Anit-Matter or David-Matter. I'm not reading any more of your posts cause I have run low on laughter power.[/QUOTE]
Oooooooooooooooooooo, my sides hurt..........................................
Auntie, is this the flo???
I'm ROTFlo, !!!!!!
Davidornado38638.8902777778OMG!!!...I couldn't finish a post....
The first time ever!!!
I think I just invented a new wordism...
OMG!!!...now I can't breathe....
Where's the oxygen?
Darn it, here I am again reading your post. Your frinkin' addictive.Ow, my chestnuts hurt, too.
Oh, Cheez! I didn't know so many muscles were involved in uncontrollable laughter...
Okay. Here's the world's newest wordicon. Okay, I couldn't stay single, so pluralize it...
The evolution of laughter.
:) = Smile
L = Laughter
LOL = Laughing Out Loud
ROTFLOL = Rolling On The Floor Laughing Out Loud
LMAO = Laughing My Arsey Off
OMGIJSC = OMG!!!...I Just Snorted Coffee...
YICSC = Yuri!...I cJustov Sn0rtedevski Coffeelenko!!!
MSH = My Stomach Hurts
ROTFlo = Rolling On The Flo
TSDMC = Tears Streaming Down My Cheeks
OMGNICB = OMG!...Now I Can't Breathe!!!
:)LOLROTFLOLLMAOOMGIJSCYICSCMSHROTFloTSDMCOMGNICB=Davidornad o's Epitaph After Dying of Laughter...
Crap, crap, crap...see I can't stop. Tears are running down my cheek..let me clarify...my facial cheeks.you know what happened heidimarie (so typical somewhere). they had asked the rolling stone for permission to use one tiny riff (5 bars i think in the middle of the song somewhere) and got the permission. so fine.but when it became no 1 big-selling album. the ex-manager of the Stones said that they needed to have asked HIS permission because he infact owned the rights. the lead singer of the Verve, richard ashcroft, couldn't face the whole trial shenanigans --- he's very sensitive and particularly unmaterialistic. so he just gave up the rights 100% to this greedy bastard who hadn't done a thing for the song. and then when this man went and sold the song to Nike for an advert he was so upset (as an anti-captilist gentle soul) that he had a complete nervous breakdown and the band collapsed!
how ADD of him.
skiing???? you sold me.
Perhaps more Utahn's are on antidepressants because we are very educated. Maybe we seek help more often than people in other states. Perhaps we trust our doctors, or we go see our doctors more often than other people in other states. Perhaps we are more in tune with our bodies and we can tell when things are wrong and so we do something about it.
yup, i'll go with that!good on ya. is that an invitation, then? cos i got first brig, then brookelea, now you... woo-hoo. this is a friendly board, no?
(ps am gonna google positive things re. utah)
yeah yeah it was the Verve. i love that song. and just for D'O and AntiADisBAAD etc. cos i know you like poetry and you seem to be more than one person from one day to the next --- here are the lyrics:
(if i knew how to attach the little itune song i would - but i don't...
Cause it's a bittersweet symphony, this life
Try to make ends meet
Your a slave to money then you die
I'll take you down the only road I've ever been down
You know the one that takes you
to the places where all the things meet yeah
No change,
I can't change I can't change, I can't change
But I'm here in my mould, I am here in my mould
But I'm a million different people from one day to the next
I can't change my mould
No, no, no, no, no
Well I never pray
But tonight I'm on my knees yeah
I need to hear some sounds
that recognize the pain in me, yeah
I let the melody shine, let it cleanse my mind,
I feel free now
But the airways are clean
and there's nobody singing to me now
No change,
I can't change I can't change, I can't change
But I'm here in my mould, I am here in my mould
And I'm a million different people from one day to the next
I can't change my mould
No, no, no, no, no
I can't change I can't change
'Cause it's a bittersweet symphony, this life
Try to make ends meet
Try to find some money, then you die
I'll take you down the only road I've ever been down
You know the one that takes you
to the places where all the things meet yeah
You know I can't change, I can't change
I can't change, I can't change
But I'm here in my mould, I am here in my mould
And I'm a million different people from one day to the next
I can't change my mould
No, no, no, no, no
I can't change my mould
no, no, no, no, no,
I can't change
I'll take you down the only road I've ever been down
I'll take you down the only road I've ever been down
(It justs sex and violence melody and silence)
(Been down)
(Ever been down)
That you've ever been down
That you've ever been down
(i had to edit cos the last lyrics came out a bit weird i realised).
chjones38638.9387731481It's a great song. The Verve were great at one time. Whatever happened to them?
Definetely the ADD anthem, there.
[QUOTE=Auntie]Darn it, here I am again reading your post. Your frinkin' addictive.[/QUOTE]
Poll: Is davidORNADO infectious???
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[QUOTE=Auntie]Sabina,
David has made me laugh sooooo many times and I want to take this very precise moment to THANK HIM. THANKYOU DAVIDORNADO FOR MAKING ME LAUGH MY GUTS OUT SOMETIMES. LAUGH MY HEAD OFF SOMETIMES. LAUGH LIKE AN IDIOT SOMETIMES. CAN YOU LAUGH ON TOP OF A LAUGH. THAT IS WHAT YOU DO!
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You're Welcome, Again!
But hey, I missed some of the history of laughter...
I had to step away from the computer or death from laughter would have "befated" me.
I think I'm a laughter stalker! Is there a ten step program for this?
I really am going now because my stomach can't take anymore, nor my cheeks cause they hurt too!
Please, lets not post on this thread any longer so it will go down in the pit where it belongs.
hey annii didn't mean to bash the church ya know - i hardly know anything about it (except usual vague polygamy thing which you put me right on already). but it was the statistic out there that there are higher uses of anti-depressants in Utah co. which i found fascinating on a general level, i am very interested in 'situational depression'
but it doesn't mean that the church doesn't work for many women too at all.
the question probably comes down to choice again. and being a round peg forced into a square hole - a little like being an ADDer and being forced to be normal. for every woman who thrives living in a close knit community and being a home-maker and valued for that --- there is another who hates that role but feels she CANNOT leave and that would be where the problem lies i would suggest.
other American women have somewhat of a choice as to what suits their personality best... they might want to be a single, career woman or a serial marrier for money or a marketing executive who hopes the right guy will come along fairly soon or a homemaker/wife in a traditional role... ya know. it's the choice. the feeling of having control over your own destiny.
you chose the church. but others are born into it.
and might want out, it might not suit them - but they are scared to leave... and that feeling of fear or powerlessness over your own destiny i think are HUGE contributors to depression. your soul or conscience is pushing you to make changes and your fear or powerlessness are not allowing you do so - therefore there is a constant battle going on in your own brain - leading to you tearing your hair out in confusion and anger or alternatively chronic depression.
i don't know the first thing about Mormons btw --- so that was just a consideration based on any community which is all enveloping and normal human psychology.
it's not that the church per se is wrong but just that some people don't fit that church.
some women are very happy within (what i would consider) the constraints of Islam and others who, although western will convert to Islam finding it perfect for them. there are others who were born into the Islamic faith who struggle against it and wish to be free of it - but again, it means breaking from their CULTURE as well as their faith and probably breaking somewhat from their family, if their family is traditional. it is very hard. we should know - it is very hard to be a round peg forced into a square hole. i can see that leading to depression.
In some Moslem countries - there is no choice. you walk out of your husband's house and where can you go. you have no access to money, no access to education, no possibility of getting a job - there is no escape. you have no choice.
but in Utah, in America - you can go... you see, that almost makes it worse on a personal torment. because it is all down to YOU. you have a choice but you won't take it.
although obviously on a non-personal level it is better to live in a country where you won't be raped as a punishment for your brother's crime. as happened to some poor young girl in Pakistan or Afghanistan. her brother had committed a crime and the justices decided his punishment would be the dishonouring of his sister so she was systematically raped by four men.
but she didn't break down, she didn't commit suicide afterwards - no, she fought back for justice. which is why we got to hear about it. such strength within her. such infinite blackness within those men.
but getting back to the original theme/post - i can see why depression would be high within such a set-up. it fits some but it doesn't fit all - it can't - because we are ALL different. like ADDers - just different. and we should all be valued as we ARE. but we are not. unfortunately.
here i just googled another link (i don't know it might be biased - it's just from the internet so take it as you will, but if you were interested here it is:)
BY TROY GOODMAN
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
Utahns pop more Prozac-style anti-depressant drugs than
do the people of any other state, according to a new study.
The high anti-depressant use could mean Utahns are getting the drugs they need, as prescribed by their doctors, compared with prescription rates in other states. Or it could be an indicator that Utahns are more depressed than the rest of America, said state epidemiologist Robert Rolfs, who was not involved in the research.
"This study doesn't mean everybody is on anti-depressants," Rolfs said. "We do know there's a lot of variation in medical practices, and people and their doctors do things differently in different states."
Overall, though, most health care experts said they already knew Utah topped the country's Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil and Clomipramine use just by watching the number of depressed patients balloon.
"It looks about right," said Jim Jorgenson, director of pharmacy services for the University of Utah's hospital and clinic system.
The study, released this week, found the type and frequency of prescription drugs consumers take depends partly on where they live. Data were based on medical claims made to Express Scripts, a St. Louis-based pharmacy benefit management company considered one of the country's largest drug management firms.
People in Utah, Maine and Oregon take more anti-depressants than the residents of any other state, while those in California, New York and New Jersey take the least, the study said.
But Utah's anti-depressant use ranked remarkably higher than most states, averaging 1.1 prescriptions per person per year, compared with the national average of about 0.7.
Express Scripts senior researcher Brenda Motheral said the company looked at claims of 2 million Amer- icans enrolled in commercial and managed-care health plans last year. The results include adults with jobs and their dependents, but not prescription drug users enrolled in government-sponsored programs such as Medicare or Medicaid.
Motheral said high anti-depressant use in rugged states with poor weather, short summers and lots of economic woes -- such as Maine and Oregon -- was not surprising. "But with Utah, those [factors] didn't stick with us," she said. No further Express Scripts study is planned to find out why the state ranked so high.
The study found that in 45 states, including Utah, about 5 percent of patients racked up half of all drug expenditures to insurers, company benefit plans or third-party administrators in health care.
Intermountain Health Care, which said it did not use Express Scripts because it relies on in-house pharmacy control, has seen overall spending on drugs double since last year. The hike in pharmacy costs is especially troubling as IHC pharmacy costs had been dropping steadily in previous years, a company spokesman said.
Motheral said reasons vary as to why patients in Utah take more anti-depressants. Consumer preference as well as differences in risk factors can cause regional variations, she said.
Utah also came in high in terms of anti-diabetic medication use, along with analgesic (high-dose pain pills) and anti-inflammatories, the report found.
Antidepressants Common in Utah
For some time it has been known that Utah has had a high rate of antidepressant drug usage. Now this theory has been confirmed in a national study showing how antipressant drugs are prescribed twice as often in Utah than any other state, including three times higher than New York and New Jersey. The study, which was released last summer and updated in January, was done by tabulating prescription orders. Its authenticity was confirmed by Dr. Curtis Canning, the president of the Utah Psychiartic Assn. Saying he had "some hunches" about why Utah ranked so high despite the fact that 70 percent of its residents are Mormon, Dr. Canning said, "In Mormondom, there is a social expectation--particularly among the females--to put on a mask, say 'Yes' to everything that comes at her and hide the misery and pain. I call it the 'Mother of Zion' syndrome. You are supposed to be perfect because Mrs. Smith across the street can do it and she has three more kids than you and her hair is always in place. I think the cultural issue is very real. There is the expectation that you should be happy, and if you're not happy, you're failing."
Because Mormonism "requires perfection and the public presentation of a happy face, whatever may be happening privately," many try to hide their struggles and are therefore in need of the mood-altering drugs. One 71-year-old Utah woman says she has no problem getting prescriptions for her drugs. "Look around, you can easily find people who take them," she said. "I think it's the cultural environment. Most men here would just as soon their wives take pills than bother to delve into the problems, and maybe find out they might have something to do with the problems." The woman's three grown children are also addicted. Another Utah woman said she quit the drugs after 15 years of use. "It's like Happy Valley here," she said, describing the Salt Lake Valley. "It's a scary place sometimes. People don't talk about their problems. Everything is always rosy. That's how we got ourselves into this mess--we're good at ignoring things."
Besides the high usage
of antidepressants, Utah also leads the nation in the use
of narcotic painkillers such as codeine and morphine-based
drugs. (LA Times, 2/20/02)
http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon64.html
Teen Suicide
More
Information
Slient
Plague
June 9, 2000
A new government survey says that although Utah teens are healthier than their peers nationwide, they are more likely to commit suicide.
News Specialist Shelley Osterloh explains what the report says and what state health officials are doing to find out what Utah kids need.
First the good news: Utah students have the lowest rate of smoking and one of the lowest rates of drinking and abusing drugs.
The report also says Utah students attempt suicide less than their peers nationally-- 7 percent versus 8 percent.
Now the bad news: The actual rate of suicide in Utah is much higher than the national average.
Of the 15 to 24 year olds who died in 1997, 20 percent killed themselves. That makes suicide the state's second-leading single cause of death behind car accidents.
Of the 10 to 24 year olds who died in the United States nationally, 12 percent killed themselves, making it the fourth leading cause of death nationally.
Utah's health department has been studying Utah suicides since 1996 to determine why the victims killed themselves and how the state can prevent other deaths.
They have been interviewing family members of victims to determine what preceded the suicide. The study should be finished this summer.
Utah Teen Suicide Prevention Resources
Utah Leads Nation in Antidepressant Consumption
Domestic Violence: Falling USA, Rising in Utah
k, i found the correct balanced post, and suggest balanced take a good hard look at add symptoms. boredom covers very few symptoms. it certainly doesn't account for forgetting to change from pajamas, ending up wearing them under school clothes. kids at school had fun with me that day! and wife almost killed me when i stepped over 3 bags trash to go out, and literally never noticed, my mind elsewhere.or the test i got 98% on, because you get two points for spelling your name, and i lost the e in june(my last)[QUOTE=Davidornado] Let's have a round of applause for Anni and Davie-0!
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and all others who wonder why he is here.....aka moi...brig....
Sorry just read the stop the eggs message
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