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What intrigues me is that there is NO denial of scientology ties.With that, I say they can take L.RON HUBBARD AND GO TO HELL. I am sure he is already there, awaiting all his servants to come home. I wish the feds would finally close the book on them and wipe them out.
If there is a hell (I'm atheist believe whatcha like :)), L. Ron would be there just for writing such HORRIBLE fiction. Battlefield Earth? Wow - that'sa stinkee cheeze! For putting Travolta in the movie - L.Ron deserves a particularly nasty dante version of the ring of hell - maybe where they put Jerry Falwell and Jimmy "I have sinned against thee" Swaggart when they do us a favor and GO!
Heh I love scientologists. I used to deprogram them as a hobby.http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/xenuleaf.htm
Thanks for all the pro-ADHD help support guys! I was beginning to think I was almost alone! Bad reviews travel everywhere - good reviews tend to stay with the owner. But you guys ROCK!
I knew he couldn't keep a straight story! Even his anecdotal evidence is third hand and had to pretend it was his own!
I don't mind people not feeling as we do - but to just slam everything - come in here kamikaze style and have no alternatives? but I can expect no better - the "experts" on these sites they follow religiously (no pun intended praise jeebus) have these guys with deep south connections, deep pocket supporters and they slam anything medical - even going after electro convulsive therapy! Noone wants to refute them as they are as one with the "moral majority" movement deep deep *banjo music here* south - and can really harm any expert who dares to try.
Every one of the procedures they slam I read up about are valid, decent and tried and tested ethical ways to treat mental illness. They want us to believe they aren't real at all - none of them! Demons then? These guys are real old-testament - so I think they must believe the only valid psychiactric treatment is a good 'ol exorcism! Just like Jesus used to make!
Again - thanks guys - it's a fun trip - but way more fun with company!
Thanks for admitting you're a liar.When I want to read balanced information I tend to ignore sites like www.ritalinisawseome.com and www.ritalindeath.com.
The internet isnt the be all and end all. Especially on important subjects such as medication. There is so much bullsh*t out there. How can one ever tell if a site is what it really is? Promeds sites sponsored by pharms and anti-meds sponsored by religious whackos and herbal biz.
Either way you've proved your foolishness and that peoples initial reaction that you're nothing more than a troll.
Is it true that democrats have been lashing out at adhd as well? I just seen the insight magazine article and it wasn't real supportive.
HEY YOU DEMOCRATS WE VOTE TOO, BETTER STEP LIVELY, OR WE MAY DRINK SOME JOLT AND TAKE OVER.
I am sure we could rectify this country in 30 days OR LESS.
MY NAME IS JEFF , AND I ASPIRE TO BE PRESIDENT ...
well I was a city coucilman once...
I am the ADHD CANDIDATE...
Here is how you can tell that they are scientologists,,, according to jeff jacobsen, lronhubbard borrowed his ideas and called them his own and wrote them up in scientific formation.... so much for blubbard...
The reason I
thought this was an exciting topic was Hubbard's insistence that he
came up with his ideas by himself and that they were as monumental a
breakthrough from what came before as was the discovery of fire to the
cavemen. If it could be shown that dianetics was simply a synthesis of
previous ideas, then Hubbard would be exposed as a huckster and fraud.
And I don't like hucksters and frauds. The ideas and principles of
certain areas of his theology were present in another book, published 6
yrs before dianetics came out. Sadler is the name, Delgado is the
experimenter.
Generally
speaking, it is my contention that Hubbard did no credible
research of his own. Instead he distilled ideas from books
he had read, the few college courses he took, his own experiences,
and his very fertile and disturbed mind, and came up with
a mish-mash of bizarre theories which he wrote down in scientific-sounding
phrases and words.
TOM CRUISE SUX
[QUOTE=bugzappers]Is it true that democrats have been lashing out at adhd as well? I just seen the insight magazine article and it wasn't real supportive.
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Like the idea - if I was amurican I'd vote you in!
The democrats are leaning anti med these days - same as the bushies. They are kind of trapped - it's all about the DEA and the muck they stuck themselves in from the Clinton Admin to bushie's midnight runners.
You see - the DEA has been totally impotent to the drug cartels in the south. The cocaine comes up with the illegals (oh sorry PC word now is "undocumented citizens" - ugh) - and you can't have cheap labor for the rich without the southern traffic. Cut one - you cut both. Clinton was pro cheap maids and gardeners just like bush - only probably paid 10 cents more is all.
Now - cut to bushie-baby. Old chimp ears goes over and decides he can lick his daddy at the iraq game - but he had to take out Afghanistan first to make it look good. Afghanistan is held up tenuously by a heroin thread. Take away the heroin traffic - the warlords stop supporting US and it's taliban party again!!
So - the DEA can't touch coke - won't touch heroin. They come unabated - and for reasons that I can't fathom yet they can't seem to lick meth labs in the trailer parks of rural USA. Seems easy enough to this rural canadian - but hey we have them too I understand!
So who do you make the "kickin' dog"? - Why - psychoactive medications of course! We are not gonna kick back - after all we're CRAZYYYY!!! booga booga!!! So we are it. Tag. Democrats can't say they are anti drug without kicking us without looking like liars. Republicans - we KNOW they are liars - but they can't keep the rich south happy without making an example of us.
Here we are - stuck in the middle with you!
At least that's how I've figured it out. Tell me if I"m wrong.
[QUOTE=Fallen]Heh I love scientologists. I used to deprogram them as a hobby.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/xenuleaf.htm
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L.Ron should've stuck to cheesy science fiction paperbacks and pulp fiction novels. OOPS!!! I just realized , HE DID!!
[QUOTE=repairman]L.Ron should've stuck to cheesy science fiction paperbacks and pulp fiction novels. OOPS!!! I just realized , HE DID!!
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ROFLMAO - yup!! 
Before I knew of diarrheaetics and the scientflopogy crowd - I read one of his - it was a series where these aliens hide in human form and take over earth slowly with their wily ways (damn - that would make a super cult!!). It was full of trite, predictable plot and totally dull. The book was sad - even using the old plot that they make everyone become gay so as to stop the population from increasing so as to take over in a generation or two. Hmmm... paging Mr. Cruise! paging Mr. Cruise! call on the pink courtesy phone!
THIS BOARD IS FOR MEDICATIONS, NOT DRIVEL ABOUT HOW A PERSON SEEN A ARTICLE ON HOW MEDICATIONS ACT, IT IS FOR YOUR PERSONAL QUESTIONS AND YOUR PERSONAL TRIALS OF HOW MEDICATIONS ARE FOR YOU. NOT FOR SOAP OPERA LENGTH ENDLESS POSTS OF HOW A DOCTOR IS MIS HANDLING DRUGS AND HOW THEY MIGHT KILL THREE CHICKENS AND KEEP A TURKEY AT BAY.
AGAIN, THIS TOPIC BOARD IS FOR HELPING THOSE USING OR SEEKING KNOWLEDGE OF MEDICATIONS EITHER BEING USED OR HAVE BEEN USED BY OTHERS.
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AGAIN, THIS TOPIC BOARD IS FOR HELPING THOSE USING OR SEEKING KNOWLEDGE OF MEDICATIONS [/QUOTE]
I absolutely agree !!! But personal use stories of medications only reveal a tiny bit of info. There are only a few people on this board with that personal experience compared to the millions of people who take these meds.
Therefore, information about clinical trial studies and well researched scientific journals is certainly warranted and appreciated.
absolutely - but I'd say there's a difference between:a) New study shows possible long term damage of taking ritalin.
and
b) You're an asshole parent if you poison your child with pharmacuticals, all drug companies are bastards and you're evil for even considering treating your child.
Dont you think?
Wow, not only is he an asshole but he is also a lying sack of sh*t.
I still see no archives in cnn or any other NEWS. And shame on you for
claiming it is your story. See we have a thing in life called TELLING
THE TRUTH. So FAR you have not and you have exposed yourself as a liar.
So I am right , as I figured, and since you have admitted your purpose
is to disrupt others, I can forward this to the mods and they can start
making posters who register wait days while they check your email and
make you pay a fee to sign up to post at this site, thanks for ruining
it for all of us, so some of you can have your fun... ps they will also
boot this id. you let the air out of your tires and I helped slash them
the rest of the way.AND ME HAVING ADHD IS VERY PERSONAL TO ME, I WOULD SAY MORE SO THAN YOU AND YOUR EXPERIENCES. oh you have none... SO DON'T TELL ME WHAT I HAVE, IT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR THE LAST 40 YRS. AND AS AN ADULT, I THINK I CAN TELL WHEN SOMETHING IS WRONG.
I think reality and adhdbogus are on the way out. how dumb can you get... I still can't beleive I got a confession. damn cop skills...
I am meaner than a snake, but I will do the one for all and all for one.
Half truths and injustices are RAMPANT on this board. We are dealing with delicate issues of the mind and some people need support, not harassment from someone claiming to know something, or not having any experience.... GO SOX!!!
bugzappers38649.6953356481
Well Bugzappers,
Let me give you all the facts...
The first fact is that "pro med" people don't seem to research the negative aspects of the drugs. Otherwise, they would have realized I just copied this from the front page of www.ritalindeath.com.
I really didn't expect the group to assume this was my personal story. So, I'm sorry if you feel you were mislead.
As for my real personal story... my 3 children and I are still alive and it was the best ,000 I ever spent... protecting us from a drugged up wife and mother. I ALMOST GOT THE SAME PHONE CALL THAT ANDREA YATES HUSBAND GOT FROM HER. But, I didn't post it because it didn't involve ADHD drugs.
Your statement..."And furthermore, if this had happened, you would be all over the news trying to fight and we would hear all about this first hand. "
... is absolutely right !!! You see, marriages rarely survive the "accidental" death of a child and I am now married to a "grieving mother". She was a substantial influence in getting the SSRIs to have "BLACK BOX WARNINGS" put on them. Aside from her regular full time job, she spends at least another 40 hours a week helping grieving parents get in touch with hard hitting attorneys and professional "expert witnesses".
I don't feel the need to post any links to my facts... because they are facts and if you really want the link, I just ask my lovely wife to dig through her 300,000 plus drug files for it.
Although she has learned to deal with the "pain" of it, there's still a lot of anger toward the drug companies who are selling dangerous "treatments" for children. She is a registered member of this board and ... you're right... she doesn't have time to post much.
And just so you know, she's sending me a bunch of ADHD "med" child death stories, so I'll be posting them. Although they are not my story... IT'S PERSONAL TO ME !!!
Yes I am not convinced, and why, because you never presented this before you proceeded to bash adhd and ritalin, you also did not divulge any PERSONAL information. I think your a sh*t and a total LIAR, and you OWE these people an apology, and Mr. Smith for claiming to be him and suffering his loss.
And furthermore, if this had happened to you, you personally would be all over the news trying to fight and we would hear all about this first hand, and you would not hide this information by waiting so long to post it, and you would have published that to us right off the bat in your posts. The fact that you did not tells me your not mr.smith ..
I just don't believe a parent would come on a board and do all that. No sir, I just don't.
It would be too painful and I think you would be more "ADULT" about it. And humbled you sure don't seem to be.
SO I will seek out the real Mr.Smith and let him know your masquerading as him.
I am sure his lawyer will be more than interested in your ip as they get warrants for your ip that is logged.
And BY THE WAY. I AM 35 , I THINK I KNOW IF I HAVE SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME, AND IT'S NOT THE FLU..... So STOP BASHING ADHD. I have been off MEDS for 18 YRS, and Never gave it another thought, TILL I STARTED SEEING I HAD THIS ALL ALONG. So explain to me how I came back to it after all these years, still having it, AND NOW OLD ENOUGH TO TELL YOU WHAT IS GOING ON.
BY THE WAY, I WAS ON RITALIN, 10mg, FOR 7 YRS. From 7 yrs old, to 14. And I am still alive.
And that was from 1976-1983. Long before any tests were done.
I also don't totally believe that this did happen, it is not filed away in any major news agencyhistory, (ie.cnn,fox,msnbc,etc), nor is it on any site other than that of noted scientologist goof Dr. Fred Baughman . I have more faith in Dr pepper than him, and if you bring up peter breggin or peter breggen, depending on how he spells it today to avoid detection, he is on quackwatch and is not a considered real DR. all he did was introduce people at a bunch of meetings before deciding to call himself a dr. thats right, he is a phoney, and another scientologist like tom cruise who also claims to have the same indepth knowledge and experience as a phsyciatrist.
SO I am assuming you must be a scientologist as well, Does the name Jeff Jacobsen mean anything to you? It should, your group has been fighting that name for decades, ask lisa mcpherson.
bugzappers38648.7257638889I must ask you at this point, was your son abusing the drug? I assume by your comment on another thread ("If you take too much, you could die") that he was. If that was in fact the case, then the consequence, while perhaps tragic, cannot be ascribed to the drug. If he was abusing it, then he took a gamble and he lost. I'm aware that some will no doubt be offended at the callous nature of this post, but I have never been accused of being a highly compassionate person. What happened was unfortunate and has no doubt had a profound impact on your life, but seeking to place blame is a poor outlet for your grief. shakespeare38648.4271064815
...Is this personal enough ?
My name is Lawrence Smith, in March of 2000 our 14-year- old son Matthew suddenly died of heart failure, caused from a medication prescribed for Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, ADHD.
The death certificate states that his death was due to the use of Methylphenidate, a drug commonly known as Ritalin.
Warning, this is not an isolated incident, many other children have also died from Ritalin and other medications prescribed for ADD and ADHD.
For the past four years, I have done extensive research on ADD and ADHD and the dangers of medications prescribed to millions of children used in the treatment of ADD and ADHD.
Ritalin is a class 2 Narcotic in the same category as cocaine, barbiturates and opiates. Class 2 designation is for drugs that have the greatest potential for abuse and addiction.
Stories like ours are criminal and should be against the law.
At the age of seven, our son Matthew's school social worker told us that if we refused to follow up with their evaluation of ADHD, and take our son to the doctor, with their evaluation and recommendation for Ritalin, child protective services could charge us for neglecting his educational and emotional needs.
They made my wife and I feel as though we were unfit parents because we did not have a good feeling about putting our son on drugs just so he could attend school and get an education.
I feel a moral conviction and obligation to share this information with all, in hopes of lowering the number of children being needlessly drugged, preventing many of the senseless deaths of children and young adults.
Yes, that is personal. Sharing these kinds of stories is helpful. The box and label bullsh*t, however, is not. I extend my sympathies for your loss. The loss of a child destroyes families. Please share the kind of stories like your story. Googled babble and anti drug rheteric is not helpful. While your story will provide many parents something to think about it does not apply to my situation as an adult with ADHD. I am on drugs with no side effects. Please do not assuage your loss by bombarding us with information we can get easily from other sources with the assumption we are blind sheep in need of a shepard.
Again, thank you for sharing your story.
sorry for your loss. It was a tragedy.Without meaning to be callous: what occured was a tragedy but not criminal.
Thank you for sharing.
"I feel a moral conviction and obligation to share this information with all, in hopes of lowering the number of children being needlessly drugged, preventing many of the senseless deaths of children and young adults."
This is where you and I will disagree. Adverse reactions to medication is possible with any drug, unfortunately it was ritalin in this case, understandably distorting your perception of the issues.
I understand where you are, but a mission against ritalin and ADD drugs is not what is going to change what happened. Insulting people, their choices and their intelligence changes nothing. What has happened has happened. Tragic, undoubtably, common? no. Using this forum as a way to work through your guilt, anger and pain is not the way forward.
I don't even know you, so I won't insult your intelligence by pretending that I am deeply empathetic. Nevertheless, I am sorry that you have suffered a loss. As someone else posted, your situation does not apply to all. These drugs are not inherently bad, and they offer a substantial benefit to most patients who use them as directed. Thank you for sharing your story, but it does not change the way I feel, nor does it negate the countless studies performed over the 70+ years that these drugs have been in use. They are safe and efficacious for the vast majority. shakespeare38648.432025463
Let us recap shall we??...
"THIS BOARD IS FOR MEDICATIONS, NOT DRIVEL ABOUT HOW A PERSON SEEN A ARTICLE ON HOW MEDICATIONS ACT, IT IS FOR YOUR PERSONAL QUESTIONS AND YOUR PERSONAL TRIALS OF HOW MEDICATIONS ARE FOR YOU. NOT FOR SOAP OPERA LENGTH ENDLESS POSTS OF HOW A DOCTOR IS MIS HANDLING DRUGS AND HOW THEY MIGHT KILL THREE CHICKENS AND KEEP A TURKEY AT BAY.
AGAIN, THIS TOPIC BOARD IS FOR HELPING THOSE USING OR SEEKING KNOWLEDGE OF MEDICATIONS EITHER BEING USED OR HAVE BEEN USED BY OTHERS. "
Then reality says.....
" I absolutely agree !!! But personal use stories of medications only reveal a tiny bit of info. There are only a few people on this board with that personal experience compared to the millions of people who take these meds.
Therefore, information about clinical trial studies and well researched scientific journals is certainly warranted and appreciated."
So , to sum it up, REALITY, you are WRONG. We want first hand experiences. We CAN AND DO look up information. Unless you can add a PERSONAL experience your comments are unappreciated. We can read what you post when we google the topics. And yes, we all google and look up these topics. What you post for our "education" is fodder we have to wade through to get to the PERSONAL FIRST HAND EXPERIENCES that we seek and need. You are just as informative as a medicine box label.
Actually what most disturbs me about the anti-meds zealots is the insane arrogance with which they 'spread the word'. For example: not everyone on this forum is medicating a child - a fact that seems to get lost here.
I'm just wondering where exactly it was written 'please point out how scary bad these things are', because quite frankly the negativity and editorializing is what gets you called 'trolls'. Had certain people approached the conversation in a balanced and well thought out way there would be far less dismissal of any salient points that you may have made between the various idiot posters here who want to repeat the message 'drugs bad'.
Now, I haven't singled out any particular person in this thread, nor will I. I've mentioned on other threads when I thought someone was being overly trollish for whatever reason.
Those who have chosen to medicate (or decided to help medicate their child) rarely post 'WOW LETS DRUG EVERYONE AND BE HAPPY', yet I, as a reader, am supposed to interpret negative posts that are equally passionate? Sorry kids, if you post 'RITALIN IS COCAINE' you're a troll. No excuses.
Discussing the attributes, possible side effects - great, fine, if thats what people want to discuss. But we've all seen too many idiot posters who think they have the inside track on why drugs are evil to have to listen to the next set of people with ill thought out prejudices and a mission to 'heal the world' and 'expose the truth'. Because quite frankly..
it's bullsh*t.
If you can only talk in negatives about medication then dont post here. The alternative and diet forums are for you.
Can you really be so goddamn arrogant to believe that parents medicating (drugging? hmm does that sound bad to anyone but me?) kids aren't informed about their options? That those parents didnt spend weeks or months discussing the facts? That a parent doesnt love their kid, or respect them enough to look at the risks and benefits? Because thats how every post by the anti-drug crowd reads.
I call bullsh*t on the 'being fair and balanced' defense, because you're neither fair, nor balanced. Case studies? selective quotes from certain studies that show the negative impacts of certain drugs ? Not exactly intellectually honest, is it? Of course, if some of those case studies were pro-meds and I missed them I ask you to send the links immediately so I can apologize and look them over.
from the 'Drugging children' scare titles to the 'disease X is caused by medicines'.
You people should be ashamed of yourselves, preying on the inherent guilt a parent may feel because they felt that they had to get medicine fortheir child so he/she could function within the every day world.
To conclude: If your posts are 100% anti-medication and you post in this forum you are a troll, nothing but a griefer or worse, an arrogant zealot. Take your zealotry to any of the anti-meds forums available on the internet. There are people here with real questions, real quandries and some very difficult conflicts to resolve. You add nothing to the debate and provide no true opinion, no true insight.
To clarify: I take medication myself for ADD after 12 months of investigation. I don't like to medicate myself or my child.
I find your 'here's the facts' posts nothing but purile, opinionated gibberish which often over simplifies many issues or worse, contains nothing but junk science that has been previously refuted by the medical majority. Your attacks on those who have decided to pursue medication are offensive, arrogant and serve no purpose except to inflame, upset and disrupt.
Your defensiveness (oh, I am being attacked!), your intolerance to criticisms, your unwillingness to truly discuss the issues continue to confirm both the shallowness of your 'expertise' on the subjects you mindlessly cut and paste, and your intentions in doing so.
Now, here's why I wrote this post. Theres a great deal of 'do not feed the trolls' posts here. I am hoping that this message might generate some real discussion, rather than some hand wringing, some empty excuses, weak self justifications while you continue to post absolute bollocks on this forum. Of course, if it doesnt then you all tip your hands and prove my point in spades.
Oh and to the 'you should see my PMs' reaction? Quit with the bullsh*t, your reponses, if any, are purely from your own choir as you continue to backslap each other in this incestuous little cycle of self justification for your continued 'mission' on this board.
And if you're a scientologist or dianetician of any stripe: go F yourself.
Why do you consider addictive drugs with serious side effects to be 'treatment" ?
I might not be up to speed yet on all info about ADHD/ADD meds, but aren't there ones out there that do not contain amphetamine? If so, then the people who are concerned with "addictive" rumor can just get those. Right? There are choices for this "treatment"
Not every single prescription drug that says "may become addicted" is addicting to everyone. Not every single person has an addictive personality. So they can take thier "addictive drugs" for their "treatment". And be able to stop the next day if they want to. I know I can. I have. I take 1 adderall XR 30mg in the morning and 1 Adderall XR30mg in the afternoon. total is 60mg a day. Sometimes i get lazy and just don't feel like taking it on the weekends. No biggie. Little bit tired, but its all good.
Fallen,
I've never said any of this...
"b) You're an asshole parent if you poison your child with pharmacuticals, all drug companies are bastards and you're evil for even considering treating your child."
But, now that you've brought it up...
ALL ADHD DRUGS ARE ADDICTIVE. What kind of parent would give a child an addictive drug ?
Drug companies are no more "bastards" than any other corporation. General Motors "saved" per vehicle by not moving the gas tank. Payouts and legal fees for court cases involving people who died from accidents in cars with exploding gas tanks were less than the costs of moving the gas tank to a preventable location on the car.
Drug companies don't want you to die nor do they want you to get well. They only want you to buy their drugs. If they can convince you to buy addictive drugs for you and your children... it's just more money for them.
Why do you consider addictive drugs with serious side effects to be 'treatment" ?