Ritalin has caused Suicides in Children | ADHD Information
So why has no one said anything about beer and driving = death.
I see idiots weaving, some throwing out beer cans, some even drinking out of the bottle or can as they drive.
balanced, reality, curus, antiadhd, adhdisbogus, and whatever you want to be today,,
DRUNK DRIVERS WIPE OUT FAMILIES AND LITTLE KIDS MORE OFTEN THAN
ADHD MEDS. GO OUT IN YOUR STREETS AND START TURNING THEM IN...
DO SOMETHING POSITIVE THAT WILL HAVE AN EFFECT. DO IT, DO IT NOW.
bugz,
Why are you bringing up drunk driving on an ADHD board ?
"DO SOMETHING POSITIVE THAT WILL HAVE AN EFFECT. DO IT, DO IT NOW."
We do bugz. We inform people about the hidden dangers of so called "safe" medications.
it's in reference to an above post.
reality - you ask why someone would bring up drunk driving in ADHD forum? Why bring up antidepressants? Why make this a matter of all or nothing? The only one here who says you must anything is you. We say take meds if you need them - or not it's all up to you and your doc. You say NEVER. Very scientology-esque - and very shifty. Life is never all or nothing.
Glen,
You may not realize it, but you push the drugs.
Keep doing it if you want, but be prepared for opposition.
Your way is not the only way.
I do not push the drugs - I accept their ability to relieve the pain and suffering of many including myself with ADHD. It works, it's safe and it's legal.
You may tell people about the follies you see. But you cannot take your anti-med crusade every which way you please. There are threads for alternative medicine, and if you start quoting more mainstream articles - the medication forum. But parenting section, and children - my recommendation to you is when someone asks - stick to telling them they can find alternatives to medicine in the appropriate area.
The majority here believe the medications work - and work safely. I don't want to be debating you endlessly - it wastes my time. However as long as you stay here and try to make parents fear a viable option - I will be here too. You do not have ADHD - so you don't know how stubborn we are. I am the most stubborn - and am quickly becoming well read on both the pro and anti med information. I have a background in basic organic chemisty, basic pscyhology and advanced statistics. Bring your information in - but do not flood as curus and balanced did - and we'll get along fine.
GlenW38654.7750810185Parental pressure and Lost love and not being able to deal with peers
and illegal activities also are a cause of children suicides. as well
as people not believing in them when something is wrong, calling them
lazy and in need of a good parent. When they are actually adhd...
Why am I bringing up drunk driving? For the same reason you feel
compelled to post ritalin causes, chickens, eggs, turkey livers, etc
etc.
Guns don't kill people, people do, drugs don't kill people, people do.
If your so fragile to commit suicide already, drugs are not going
to put the idea there. The idea has already been there before.
A stim in an adhd case has a reverse effect, it stablizes and
acts more of a sedative. But you would not know this as you don't know
as much as you claim.
I took ritalin from the age of 7-14 and I did not commit suicide.
So there is one strike to you. I never felt suicidal, and as a matter
of fact, I felt MORE compelled to live. I have a complete and total
WILL to live. Suicide never entered my thoughts as a child, I was free
spirited and loved life. And I had a real bad time as a kid, but I
looked past and beyond what was happening to me , usually by the hand of others,and loved it.
NOW TELL ME YOUR EXPERIENCE WHILE ON RITALIN!!!
OH, YOU DON'T HAVE ONE.
This post I just made allows me to post to your comment as it is
MY EXPERIENCE.. WHAT'S YOURS? Not one that has been made up by someone
on a staff with an agenda either.
You already have been caught lying once. wanna try two?
bugzappers38655.8355902778
"The majority here believe the medications work - and work safely."
GlenW,
And they will continue to think that way as long as people like you continue to downplay the risks and negative side effects of these drugs.
So you go ahead and push these drugs and I'll keep warning the people about the hidden dangers and negstive side effects of the drugs.
And further more, do you know why you irritate me so badly.
BECAUSE YOU REMIND ME DIRECTLY TO THOSE WHO DID MAKE FUN AND POKE AT ME WITH ADHD AS A KID.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO DID NOT UNDERSTAND BELITTLED AND TOLD
EVERYONE LIES ABOUT US, AND THAT WE WERE BAD PEOPLE AND NEEDED TO BE
TURNED AWAY AS WE WERE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE "NORMAL BELIEFS" WERE.
And THAT WE WERE DRUG HEADS AND TRASH.
so before you open your damn mouth again, THINK....
Perhaps we should outlaw Tylenol????
At least 24 children in the United States have died and three have required liver transplants after receiving acetaminophen -- the most widely used medication for relief of pain and fever in children and infants. The report is a compilation of 55 documented cases of liver toxicity in children attributed to acetaminophen.
Consider 23-year-old Marcus Trunk, who took prescription Tylenol with codeine for a wrist injury for 10 days and then over-the-counter acetaminophen for another week. Suddenly fever and vomiting struck. A hospital initially gave more acetaminophen before diagnosing liver failure, says his mother, Kate Trunk of Fort Myers, Fla. He died in a week; an autopsy blamed acetaminophen.
I guess you can prove anything you want if you try hard enough. Curus, Honestly, it's silly to flat out say ADHD drugs just kill. I have no interest in making personal attacks so please don't "flame" me because I think all the hullabalu over ADHD drugs is not warrented. They are the same as any drug. Use them with caution.
http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=5058 Ritalin – The Cover-Up Of Suicides
Janne Larsson
10/27/2005 12:48:46 PM
Treatment with Ritalin has caused suicides and suicide attempts in children.
The Medical Products Agency (MPA) in Sweden knew about “21 cases of attempted suicide and six suicides” but approved Ritalin anyway.
FDA has warned about “Suicide Ideation” in connection with Ritalin treatment – but didn’t FDA know about the suicides?
From the depths of the archives at the Swedish Medical Products Agency (MPA) some astonishing papers have emerged. Papers showing that Ritalin, prescribed to children with the diagnosis ADHD, causes depression and has led to suicides and suicide attempts.
The MPA knew about these disastrous effects when approving Ritalin for sales in Sweden June 15 this year. No warnings were given to physicians or the public.
FDA announced June 28 that Ritalin and other methylphenidate drugs had been linked to “visual hallucinations, suicidal ideation, psychotic behavior, as well as aggression or violent behaviour”. Nothing was said about suicides or suicide attempts.
The narcotic drug Ritalin has been withdrawn from the Swedish market for 37 years – since the abuse catastrophe in the 60-ties. But Swedish psychiatrists have in recent years demanded the right to prescribe Ritalin and other stimulants to children – with the false pretence that the narcotic drug for children with the diagnosis ADHD would work as insulin for persons with diabetes. The expert child psychiatrist at the MPA has led the campaign; he has assured the public there are no serious short-term or long-term side effects from stimulant treatment of children.
When the British pharmaceutical company GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) 2003 tried to get approval for children for its blockbuster drug Seroxat (Paxil) it was revealed that the company already five years earlier had known that the drug increased the suicide risk in children. This exposure led to the disapproval of the application and the British authorities instead banned Seroxat – should not be prescribed to children.
History seemed to be repeating itself when pharmaceutical company Novartis in 2004 was seeking approval for Ritalin for children in Sweden – a country in the unique position of having banned the drug already in the 60-ties. Novartis had not for many years had reason to turn in documentation in other countries, but they had to do it in Sweden. And in the submitted documents (written already year 2000!) it is under the heading SUICIDE revealed: “it is known that Ritalin therapy and its sudden discontinuation may cause depression in some patients…”
Under the same heading Novartis is also revealing: “A search of the Novartis international safety data base allowed the identification of 21 cases of attempted suicide and six suicides, in addition to 25 reports of suicidal ideations in patient aged 6-48 years, 56% of whom were children aged less than 16 years.”
But unlike the British authorities in the Seroxat case the Swedish MPA didn’t come to the defence of the children. Instead the MPA in June 2005 approved Ritalin, and covered up the information about suicides and suicide attempts! The public or physicians didn’t get any warnings.
And now the MPA has taken one step further: declared that the document telling about the suicides is classified information. It is decided, “the pharmaceutical company in question can be harmed” if access is granted to the documentation.
The agency supposed to be for the public is, under pressure from psychiatrists and a pharmaceutical company, approving a narcotic drug that can cause depression and suicide. It is then hiding the disastrous results to protect the company.
This medical scandal also involves the FDA. The agency can be expected to have known about the deadly effects of Ritalin – but did not act. What is buried in the files of the FDA?
Contact Information:
Janne Larsson
Writer – investigating psychiatry
Janne Larsson
08-7089342 (Sweden)
janne.olov.larsson@telia.com "
Oh Glen, such strong language.
"MONEY WHORES" !
Money whores are people who lie about the negative studies on their drugs to ensure they get on the market, to satisfy their greed and that of the shareholders at the risk of life.
Money whores are also all those who take part in spreading that deception for gain.
The almighty dollar from one of the biggest industries in the world is quite the persuader, isn't it!
You can tell from things like this:
http://www.ssri-uksupport.com/files/GSKmoneybagmemo.pdf
See you next time!
you still avoid the real issue, which is your continual posting of bullsh*t in the guise of information.
I wonder about scientology simply because it makes the discussion better framed.
is it religious, is it ignorance, is it malicious, is it out of being a complete a-hole?
Once framed the dialog can begin. Without a frame it's merely you
without a decent bullsh*t detector posting crap that clutters up a
resource that has been helpful to many.
I appreciate passion and conviction, but sheer bloody mindedness smacks of religious zeal or illogical prejudices.
Should I mention that my day job includes tracking down frauds, fakes and losers?
Your link doesnt work.
Sweden withdrew Ritalin because of fears of abuse, NOT health issues.
In 1968. Sweden does, however, allow doctors to prescribe Concerta.
Janne Larsonn is a writer, not a doctor.
Webwire is a PR outlet. I have had my releases on there, it doesnt give
it any legitimacy, it just says that the marketing budget was over .
I can find no record in any government document (Sweden, UK, AU, US)
regarding Ritalin being implicated in any suicide - not saying it didnt
happen, just no records anywhere about it. There's some discussion on
various medical sites about ensuring that doctors dont prescribe
ritalin to someone depressed/psychotic as it may aggravate that state.
Which is what the article above states in a much manipulated way.
Of course, Google Larsonn and find:
this. I
suddenly feel much better knowing that such an open minded writer would
be contributing to the body of knowledge on ADD and medication.
Excerpt: "So the real
conclusion of the review of ”virtually every investigation ever done on
ADHD drugs anywhere in the world” must be: The use of mind altering
drugs to control the behaviour of children and adults must be banned in
a civilized society."
Even more amusing:
"Gee, too bad psychiatry doesn't work. If it did, I'd pay a lot more attention to what Sharfstein has to say.
The fact is, psychiatry is a complete fraud and the only motivation
there is behind psychiatric "research" is continued and greater profits."
In a comment thread from a Scientology/Tom Cruise article.
You're a fraud and troll Curus, keep making me laugh.
I'm very interested to discuss with Janne the research methods used to compile this.
Fallen38652.4965509259First, Im not into religious wars, what someone wants to believe is fine by me. What follows is merely background information.
IF you're in any doubt. Here's the relevent excerpts from the
"Church's" Contract, which you must sign this waiver to join the
church. This includes the Introspection Rundown - The Introspection Rundown is a
Scientology
procedure that is intended to handle a psychotic break or mental
breakdown. The subject is kept isolated in complete silence, except for
auditing sessions to search for the cause of the psychotic break. The
theory is that if you can determine what caused the subject to become
introverted and psychotic, you can handle that cause and break the
psychotic episode.
Auditing is basically like confession and therapy rolled into one,
except that its incredibly flakey, full of hokey bullsh*t and is
recorded to a central database - not that a church would ever use what
you've said in the past to control you. But thats the nature of those
pesky pre-clears.
------------------------------- Everything below this is cut and pasted
from the waiver a church member must sign. Just in case you pull a Lisa
and happen to die during one of the sessions
-------------------------------------------------- -----------
b. Scientology is unalterably opposed, as a matter of religious belief, to the practice of psychiatry, and
espouses as a religious belief that the study of the mind and the healing of mentally caused ills should not be
alienated from religion or condoned in nonreligious fields. I am in full agreement with this religious belief. I do
not believe in or subscribe to psychiatric labels for individuals It is my strongly held religious belief that all
mental problems are spiritual in nature and that there is no such thing as a mentally incompetent person--
only those suffering from spiritual upset of one kind or another dramatized by an individual. I reject all
psychiatric labels and intend for this Contract to clearly memorialize my desire to be helped exclusively through
religious, spiritual means and not through any form of psychiatric treatment, specifically including involuntary
commitment based on so-called lack of competence. Under no circumstances, at any time, do I wish to be
denied my right to care from members of my religion to the exclusion of psychiatric care or psychiatric directed
care, regardless of what any psychiatrist, medical person, designated member of the state or family member
may assert supposedly on my behalf. If circumstances should ever arise in which government, medical or
psychiatric officials or personnel or family members or friends attempt to compel or coerce or commit me
for psychiatric evaluation, treatment or hospitalization, I fully desire and expect that the Church or
Scientologists will intercede on my behalf to oppose such efforts and/or extricate me from that predicament
so my spiritual needs may be addressed in accordance with the tenets of the Scientology religion.
c. As I so strongly disagree, as a matter of religious principle, with the use of psychiatric treatment for
anyone, including myself, I reject the usage of psychiatric labels and I believe in assisting individuals through
religious and spiritual means. Therefore, I am hereby specifying that should I get into a situation in the future,
unlikely as it is, where others may think that I need psychiatric treatment of any kind, that I instead desire to
receive Scientology spiritual assistance and that it can include, but is not limited to, the Introspection Rundown.
Further, I realize that in the future it may consequently be suggested by a senior Scientology minister, should
the need arise, that I receive such spiritual assistance, and again, I want to make it clear that under such
circumstances I desire to receive Scientology Spiritual Assistance, which may include, but not be limited to, the
Introspection Rundown.
Janne Larsonn is NOT a writer. A paid shill of the anti med groups is all. Isn't that what you accused US of being - paid to say the things we do?
A money whore who is not accredited by news agencies, not referenced by any but anti-med groups is nothing at all here.
Take your ball - go home.
Ritalin has not been linked to the suicides. It's been suspected of possibly causing behaviors that trouble lawmakers and had warnings added to ensure the safety of the public - in case further study does find a link - which it will not. As I said, the medicine will be found not the cause - rather misdiagnosis, overdose and abuse which all can cause suicidal and violent behavior.
don't blame the med for the misuse of it - anymore than I blame the newswriters for the abuse of the word by your bogus link.
Mention what you wish, Fallen - though what you do doesn't really interest me, but of course it might interest other readers. We are all advised to look at ourselves from time to time and how we behave.
Yes, I'm aware that Sweden banned Ritalin for many years and why they did so, but in June of this year they approved Ritalin (just as Janne Larrson's article also indicates) for use again.
Still throwing the "scientology" line around? I wonder - there's an email address there, you could ask. Or I could.
Oh, re the UK - you need to look harder at the government documents available to us all. They have warned of suicidal behaviour.
Again curus - your time here is nigh. The admin will take you off when they get my message. You can't go all over and spread lies like this. When you change your name like balanced - I'll be watching and take you again. And again. And again if necessary. Nobody wants this non-factual nonsense here anymore. We tried to let you have a say - you can't have control of this forum simply.
You can't find a frame because the frame is one you don't want to have, and hence you see posting information you don't like as:
"posting of bullsh*t in the guise of information."
I wonder why the occasional piece of information stirs up so much bloodymindedness here? I don't believe its because of passion or conviction or even zeal or illogical prejudice.
So - once again I'll leave you in peace so that you can properly concentrate on trying to discredit everything while I go do something more pleasant.
Curus,
You posted bullsh*t as information. It wasnt credible = bullsh*t.
Information usually contains facts, good information collects some or
many facts and uses them to suggest a larger fact: example 1. Curus
trolls, 2. Curus avoids answering any questions about his background,
3. curus said that he has taken it to the streets. conclusions: Curus
is ashamed that if the truth was known about his/her background it
would weaken the 'information' presented. Point 3 makes it a high
probability that Curus is part of a scientologist anti-drug group that
rarely admits its background, even when asked directly.
Of course, using 3 facts to draw such a conclusion is reckless,
but I wanted to illustrate the concept of creating a credible
argument as you have shown a consistent inability to recognize one when
deciding which materials to ignore, and which to post on a Medication
forum.
You should probably give some thought to the shallowness of your
avoidance skills, the 'poor me, I'm a victim' schtick is overplayed and
insincere coming from someone who is obviously very capable of
defending themselves. The complete dismissal of any questions that
relate to your own feelings on the subject just reinforce the
perception that you're simply here to cause trouble and increase the
noise ratio on an otherwise unremarkable forum that deals with the
issues of psychiatric medication for adults and children.
Thanks.
Baughman is vocally anti-ADHD.
He's affiliated with the
Citizens Commission of Human
Rights. This group was set up by the Church of Scientology in the
late 60s. It sticks closely to the 'psychiatry is bunk' argument,
ignoring medical research and common sense. I am aware of this because I have
friends within the CoS who have worked in this group on their Prozac
studies, and their approach and attitude is similar.
Baughman is a flake. Even cursory investigation of his main claims is refuted across the world by independent studies.
I'll let others decide based on previous posts, but to me it confirms
that Curus is simply here promoting the Scientology agenda and nothing
more.
Fallen38652.5707175926
[QUOTE=GlenW]Again curus - your time here is nigh. The admin will take you off when they get my message. You can't go all over and spread lies like this. When you change your name like balanced - I'll be watching and take you again. And again. And again if necessary. Nobody wants this non-factual nonsense here anymore. We tried to let you have a say - you can't have control of this forum simply.[/QUOTE]
Just as I was enjoying my coffee before logging off LOL.
I don't change my name - did Balanced? Its quite clear the IP is logged anyway and so admin is able to easily see who is who.
Admin of course can take me out anytime - it seems you believe they will do it for you and if they do - well I really don't mind either way. "Spread lies"? You of course will always have people coming across lies on this site when searching - for instance those told about Dr Fred Baughman etc - unless admin delete those lies and so there will always be others coming in giving information you don't like.
Maybe Admin will look at the lies told by quite a few people here and do something about it. Maybe they won't and perhaps they'll ban me instead. Either way - it really doesn't matter to me.
Now I've finished my coffee so I'll be logging off. Maybe I'll catch you again, maybe you (or admin) will have me banned - so its either "see you later" or "so long". Whichever.
We may not be able to read this whole article but I Googled and guess what popped up first. I don't think we need to say more.
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