The "Chemical Imbalance" Theory | ADHD Information
Obviously the link doesn't work, so here's the whole thing...
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/516262
Advertisements for SSRIs May Be Misleading
Laurie Barclay, MD
Nov. 8, 2005 Advertisements in the U.S. for selective serotonin
reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are not based on science, according to an essay
published in the December issue of the Public Library of Science (PLoS) Medicine.
Since the 1960s, investigators have proposed the "serotonin
hypothesis," which implicates low brain levels of serotonin in depression. However, extensive research to date has failed to confirm this theory.
In 1965, Joseph Schildkraut suggested that depression was linked to low
levels of norepinephrine, but investigators subsequently proposed that
serotonin was the responsible neurotransmitter. Numerous studies to
identify reproducible changes in neurotransmitter levels in the cerebrospinal
fluid of clinically depressed patients, or to induce or correct depression by
manipulating brain serotonin levels, were inconclusive and fraught with
methodological limitations. Contemporary research has failed to prove
any serotonergic lesion in any mental disorder, according to the PLoS
Medicine essay.
Consumer advertisements for SSRIs in the U.S. "typically claim that
depression, or other psychiatric condition, is probably caused by a
chemical imbalance of the neurotransmitter serotonin, and that SSRIs correct
this imbalance," lead author Jeffrey R. Lacasse, MSW, a PhD candidate at
Florida State University College of Social Work in Tallahassee, told Medscape.
"They routinely use visual portrayals of a nerve synapse demonstrating the
action of SSRIs, showing a 'chemical imbalance' which is then 'corrected' by
the medication."
Gordon McCarter, PhD, an assistant professor of biological sciences at
the College of Pharmacy of Touro University in Vallejo, California, agreed
that the evidence for an "imbalance" in neurotransmitters causing depression
is "circumstantial" and "more and more tenuous." He noted the dearth of
studies showing any measurable difference in serotonin or norepinephrine
between depressed patients and controls, with the limited positive findings
based on suicide victims. Dr. McCarter was not involved in the PLoS Medicine
essay.
"This doesn't mean there isn't a difference, [but] it may be too
localized and too small to measure with current techniques," Dr. McCarter told
Medscape. "Serotonin clearly plays a role in some [cases of] depression
and blocking its reuptake clearly helps many depressed patients, but this
may be a symptomatic approach. Current thinking is that genetics, perhaps
regarding serotonin-handling molecules in some cases, combined with life history affects the likelihood that stressful life events will trigger a
depressive episode. Stating that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance is extremely simplistic."
The evidence that is usually used to support the claim of a serotonin
imbalance, according to Mr. Lacasse, is the efficacy of SSRIs. Because
SSRIs have an effect on depression, and SSRIs affect serotonin, the
conclusion touted in the ads is that depression is due to serotonin imbalance.
However, this line of reasoning may be inherently flawed; aspirin may relieve
headache, but we do not therefore conclude that headaches are caused by
low levels of aspirin in the brain.
Another difficulty with using the efficacy of SSRIs in depression to
bolster the serotonin hypothesis is that the efficacy itself is problematic. A
meta-analysis cited in the PLoS Medicine essay reviewed all clinical
trials of antidepressants submitted to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration
(FDA). This meta-analysis showed that placebo duplicated about 80% of the
antidepressant response, and that more than half of pharmaceutical
company–sponsored trials failed to show a statistically significant
difference between antidepressant and placebo. Moreover,
antidepressants that do not affect serotonin are as effective as SSRIs in reducing
symptoms of depression, and even placebo and nonpharmacologic treatments have been shown to have robust effects.
"The etiology of depression and anxiety is still a mystery, and this is
reflected in the scientific literature," senior author Jonathan Leo,
PhD, a professor of neuroanatomy at Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine
in Bradenton, Florida, told Medscape. "The Diagnostic and Statistical
Manual of Mental Disorders does not list serotonin as a cause of any mental
disorder; it is simply one neurotransmitter that continues to be investigated.
And the prescribing information for the SSRIs does not claim that their
mechanism of action is to correct a chemical imbalance, although this is exactly
what the advertisements claim."
The PLoS Medicine essay cites a recent review article on depression
published by John Mann in the New England Journal of Medicine, which
lists a dozen chemicals potentially involved in depression, and several
pharmacologic interventions that do not affect serotonin; and a
Cochrane review showing no major difference in efficacy between SSRIs and
tricyclic antidepressants. Bupropion and reboxetine, which do not significantly
affect serotonin, were shown to be as effective as SSRIs in the treatment of
depression. In recent randomized controlled trials, St. John's wort and
placebo were each more effective for depression than SSRIs, and
exercise was as effective as the SSRI sertraline.
"The pharmaceutical industry has managed to convey a misleading
picture," Joanna Moncrieff, MD, a senior lecturer in psychiatry at University
College London, U.K., told Medscape. "I speak to quite a few journalists, and
they are shocked to hear that the link between serotonin and depression is
very tenuous and the research conflicting and not convincing. The
psychiatric profession and academic researchers are probably also partly to blame for glossing over the weakness of the research."
The FDA is charged with the duty of regulating direct-to-consumer
advertising (DTCA), and with ensuring that it is grounded in scientific
evidence. However, the PLoS Medicine essay points out the "remarkable,
and possibly unparalleled" disconnect between the scientific literature and the SSRI ads.
"All prescription drug advertising is to be fair and balanced, with an
accurate portrayal of the benefits versus the risks," FDA spokesperson
Crystal Rice, from the Trade Media and Exhibits Center for Drug
Evaluation and Research, told Medscape. "There would be no difference with regard to these drugs as with any drug, these same rules apply. Concerning what information must be disclosed and in what manner, and how that would
apply specifically to this situation, this is done on a case-by-case basis
and dependent on the specific product and specific promotional piece."
The FDA requires that drug advertising present the most serious risks
and the most common risks, according to Ms. Rice. The Division of Drug
Marketing, Advertising, and Communications works closely with the
medical review divisions and others in the FDA in determining which specific
risks should be presented. The FDA has requested a labeling change for
antidepressants, now requiring that drug companies include the warning
about increased risk of suicidality in their advertising promotion. Until
Feb. 28, 2006, the FDA has an open docket seeking the public's input on DTCA (
http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/05-18040.htm).
"I don't really think [DTCA statements about serotonin in depression]
are untrue, especially if they are presented with qualifiers such as
'research suggests' and 'scientists believe,' but they might be bordering a
little on unbalanced, so I think the FDA could be doing a little better in this
regard," Dr. McCarter said. "By implying that depression is 'only' a
chemical imbalance, [the ads] are leaving out very important aspects of
the depression story. A 'balanced' statement on the etiology and treatment
of depression directed at consumers should note that certain forms of
counseling or psychotherapy, in particular cognitive-behavioral
therapy, is equally effective in the treatment of major depression as
antidepressant medication, and that together they are even better."
The PLoS Medicine essay notes that SSRIs are now among the best-selling
drugs in medical practice, thanks in large measure to successful
advertising campaigns. The marketing emphasis in SSRI ads on a theoretical
serotonin imbalance appears to be specific to the U.S., causing "striking
differences" from advertising in the EU. Unlike the U.S., the EU does not allow
DTCA.
"Two very different pictures emerge of the same exact medication,
depending on government regulation and marketing practices," Dr. Leo said. "It's two very different political climates. We suspect that one important factor
is the amount of influence that pharmaceutical companies hold in a
particular society."
The British equivalent of the FDA, known as the Medicines and
Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), and U.K. medical literature
published in the British Medical Journal and elsewhere have preceded the FDA in
their open criticism of U.S. marketing practices for SSRIs.
"I personally feel that all drug advertising should be banned both to
professionals and patients," said Dr. Moncrieff, who is also a founding
member and cochair of the Critical Psychiatry Network. "Information
about drugs should come from independent sources that people can access if
required, and not be constantly shoved into people's faces. We
currently have a manufactured epidemic of psychological disorders, and the drug industry is at least partly to blame."
However, Dr. Leo and Mr. Lacasse are not convinced that a ban on DTCA
would eliminate misinformation about the serotonin theory.
"We suspect that this theory is repeated to patients by physicians, and
that the problem is not limited to DTCA," they explain. "Depression and
anxiety are complicated issues that cannot be explained in a 30-second
commercial.... When the serotonin theory is portrayed with clever
visual portrayals that do not accurately represent the neuroscience research,
consumers are led to believe that medication is necessary for the
treatment for depression."
Ostensibly absent from commercials is information concerning
alternatives to medication, including evidence from randomized controlled trials that psychotherapy and exercise are effective in the treatment of
depression; and significant adverse effects from SSRIs, including very high rates of sexual dysfunction. Other issues typically omitted from DTCA are difficulty in
withdrawing from SSRIs in some patients; the self-limited nature of
depression for many people, in whom it lasts for only several months;
and the robust placebo effect documented in the overwhelming majority of
clinical trials.
Dr. McCarter suggests that the FDA or even the National Institutes of
Health might provide clear and concise information on the issues surrounding
specific prescription drug classes, and treatments for diseases in
general.
"Perhaps drug companies could be required, whenever they wish to
advertise a prescription drug, to pay into a fund that provides public service
announcements regarding that particular therapeutic area," he said.
"Maybe there should be required a general 'balance statement,' produced by the
FDA to accompany any advertising short and sweet, not like the notorious
'brief summaries' that were fired out in staccato or squished into
microscopic text on the next page."
Another important concern embedded in DTCA is the issue of informed
consent, which Mr. Lacasse and Dr. Leo believe is essential to an ethical and
productive physician-patient relationship.
"If a patient comes into the office believing the serotonin theory and
the doctor doesn't take the time to correct them, we wonder where that
leaves the issue of informed consent, and especially the issue of potential
risks and benefits," they point out. "We suspect that many consumers believe
the serotonin theory to be more scientifically based than it is, and that
they might have chosen an alternative approach to their distress if they
were fully informed. These ads work to confound informed consent,
essentially."
One example is a television ad for sertraline (Zoloft), which portrays
a serotonin imbalance and claims, "Prescription Zoloft works to correct
this imbalance." DTCA for fluoxetine (Prozac), Paxil, escitalopram
(Lexapro), and other SSRIs has voiced comparable messages.
"In terms of real-life effects of this advertising, we are concerned
that this oversimplified theory has become the intellectual justification
for 10-minute office visits which result in the prescription of
antidepressants for a variety of ill-defined conditions," Mr. Lacasse concluded. "In
general, people need to be more skeptical regarding claims of chemical
imbalance as explanation for psychological distress."
On the other hand, Dr McCarter believes that heightening consumer
awareness of depression may produce some positive effects.
"While the 'chemical imbalance' message is overly simplistic and may
mislead the audience away from an understanding of the cognitive and behavioral aspects of depression, if it gets someone who is suffering from this
disease to think about seeing a doctor or even just to consider for the first
time that there is a biological aspect to it, then some overall benefit has
been achieved," he said. "I just wish there were other equally prominent
information sources that were not produced under a profit motive."
Drs. Lacasse and Leo report no competing interests and no commercial
funding for this work.
PLoS Med. 2005;2(12):e392
Reviewed by Gary D. Vogin, MD
The "chemical imbalance " theory just doesn't work... (Serotonin or Dopamine)
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/516262
"aspirin may relieve headache, but we do not therefore conclude that headaches are caused by low levels of aspirin in the brain."
Reality,
Brynn had Cocaine and Alcohol in her system, she had documented probles with addiction - it wasn't the drugs that were the problem - mixing Alcohol and Medication will definitely be a true prescription for any type of crime of passion..
Blame her doctor, not the prescription
And HELLO!!!! Besides that, she was CRAZY! and a KILLER! It amazes me how you excuse her bahaviors because of anti depressants. That's the stupidist thing I ever heard! Oh, wait, it's when Reality post idiotic messages is when I read stupid things.
Gee, lets let the killer off the hook. She was on Zoloft. What the F*!K. Moron.
It's extremely obvious that the "pro med" people here have closed minds.
You go to extreme effort to discredit any websites that I post links to.... yet you don't even know what you're talking about. You don't bother to look at any of the info on these sites.
If you did... you wouldn't make such stupid posts.
And the anti med people have open minds?the only imbalance I see that is manifesting itself is reality and curus..
at least my imbalance stays at one level.
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Glen,
Teen Screen is like bringing the psychiatrists to the kids... uninvited.
At one school they "screened" 350 kids and 71% were diagnosed with a "mental disorder".
It would not be a waste of time for the drug companies.
... bet you didn't know that in the USA, schools get 0 per kid if they convince the parents to have the kid "tested" and he/she ends up on "mental illness"drugs.
[/QUOTE] bugzappers38667.7815740741Have you taken the time to get to know the people you are speaking to? I have a holistic doctor and a pshyc doc. I'm not an ignorant person you wish me to be. Try this...get to know the people you preach to. We are not all pro med. We are anti bullsh*t!
sdw227,
Only a few people who come to this forum actually post. Most just sit back and read.
If my friends and I didn't post the dangers of the meds, the info here would be extremely unbalanced.
Remember when antidepressants were "perfectly safe, had no side effects, you can stop them anytime you want".... WELL, THEY WERE LYING TO YOU !!!
Do you really believe that ADHD meds have no "downside" ?
Look, since I have bipolar, I run into clowns like this from time to time, trying to say I dont' feel depression or that some counselor can help it. LIke I haven't seen enough just-out-of-school kids or even more experienced therapists and psycologists! I know what I feel, and I know depression is real, as is mania. But you can't reason with these people so I just ignore them. They haven't a clue. There are also goofy people with titles (some PHD's, etc) who will agree with them and the medical community ignores them, so we should too. These people love our sort of board so that they can work people up. THeir goal is to antagonize, not educate. sdw, I'm anti-bullsh*t too, if you know what I mean. If the shoe fits...
psm090438668.2865162037I still find it ammusing/unusual that some select people who have no real reason to come here do so to antagonize others with a disorder. That speaks volumes about their character.
These people do not have good intentions and could care less about our well being. The are very easy to see through.
Hey didn't Tom Cruise get sued for something like this.. hmmm.. Let's all get togethor and do a civil suit on this punk, and the ones like him..
He does not realize the harm he does - I have seen people reject their medication because of these selfrighteous, sanctimonious ideology.
Lives become disrupted, families get broken, children have been abused, jobs and homes are lost because of people not taking their meds because they think they "should" not because of people like you Reality.
What you present is danger to people who are vunerable and scared, and besides being wrong, it is nefarious behavior! To the members on this board please Forgive my anger, but I spoke to reality in person, and felt sympathy for his son who allegedly died. He expressed sympathy to me, he said he misunderstood.. But in fact he is a liar!!
Reality, you are a stalker, you derive power from people like us, hoping to keep us down so that you can feel superior. But in truth you are a bully, trying to use scare tactics to intimidate.
How can you say that YOU know what my doctors tell me in regards to the warnings of drugs.... YOU don't know!!!
But let me tell YOU one other thing Reality, as I told my doctor once, even if it meant that I could one day die from these pills, I will take them over and over again just to have the ability to be "normal", to think clearly, not to hate myself, to have the respect that I see the "Normies" get day to day, to not be considered wierd even if were for one day!
You would not understand that reality.. you are too self absorbed to to attempt to empathize or understand the suffering of others. Of course not, it isn't about helping others, it is about being right! It is all about YOU!
realty - The example you gave sound like a physician problem.Quoting reality:
" He abruptly discontinued the Paxil and put me immediately on Effexor at 75 milligrams, and I was supposed to work up to 300 milligrams over a
3-week period. The day that I took the 300
milligrams, I didn't feel very well and I stayed
home from school. I went back to sleep and that evening I woke up in a juvenile detention center".
I am not familar with dosage for Effexor but 300 milligrams sounds like enough to make someone go off like a skyrocket.
As I said before if the dosage was high then it could be agitating. As this dosage sounds way way too high this is not a good example of SSRI being the culprit.
I wanted to add this post so that another side could be shown to anyone needing an anti-depressant.
Since curus and reality and adhdisbalanced can't win with posting, they seem to be clogging the site with guests and making it difficult to traverse the site.
Did you hear.
The pages that these trolls direct you to are owned by scientologists.
do a whois on one of them.. lets say ritalindeath.
http://www.whois.sc/ritalindeath.com
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See any scientology names above,,, yes.
wow, related sites.
uk, that explains reality and the others...
NOW FOR THE KICKER.
This site is for sale. 20k buys it. SO THEY ARE AFTER A PAYOFF.
THIS SAYS, YOU PHARM CO'S CAN SHUT US UP IF YOU PAY OUR SITE EXTORTION OF 20 THOUSAND DOLLARS.
Go daddy has this for sale for 1 day and 6 hours left.
I wondered why the sudden attack of posts..
Listed for Sale: This domain is listed for 000.00 at
GoDaddy Get this, you just can BUY THE NAME. NOT THE SITE.
SO THEY TAKE THE SITE AND BUY THE NAME RITALINSUICIDEDEATHKILLS for 30$ and put the site behind it, and then charge another 20 grand.
SLICK OPERATORS..
PS As with any type of medication, a person can have a bad reaction. For example high blood pressure medication. Some may even make a person's blood pressure go up and have a lot of anxiety. Some people can't anti-depressants at all due to one reaction or another. I knew such a person. Not being able to handle anti-depressants gave her a very slippery hold on life. The truth is anti-depressants save lives of people all the time. I've seen it. People on the verge of suicide then stablized with an anti-depressant. For many with depression it is far more dangerous to not have it. I am speaking very honestly and from working in mental health.
Have you worked in mental health? Where do you get your experience?
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You are not in here because of your anger against drug companies. You are in here because you are a wack job in need of a hobby.
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that was hilarious
what did you think of the terd polishing mention?
bugzappers38666.7215972222
cynthiatweedle,
The SSRI and SNRI antidepressants are the DEADLIEST "mental illness" medications ever made. The Canada Health warning says it all... MAY CAUSE PERIODS OF SEVERE AGITATION RESULTING IN SELF HARM OR HARM TO OTHERS. Those drugs can cause you to kill other people.... AND THEY DO !!!
Does ADHD exist ? Yes. Is it a disease ? NO. Picking your nose is a "disease" in the latest DSM book !!! I don't consider it a "disease" either.
Am I anti med for ADHD ? No. But I do believe that people should be FULLY INFORMED about their meds. Obviously, the doctors, the FDA and the drug companies are NOT fully informing people about the drugs. So, I do it for them.
I do not post alternative treatments for ADHD because I don't want to waste my time arguing with the "pro meds" over the effectiveness and validity of them. If you want some alternative ideas, just email me at realityab@yahoo.com.
More than two thirds of the kids on ADHD drugs have mothers taking antidepressants.
Therefore, using the same logic that the drug companies use for the "chemical imbalance theory", I can "logically" conclude that....
DEPRESSION IN MOTHERS CAUSES ADHD IN CHILDREN !!
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Personally, I have never tried. What would one use, I wonder? Surely shoe polish would be a poor choice... there's silver polish, I suppose... lemon and vinegar, perhaps?Maybe an egg wash with an afternoon sunning, then use a liquid like clear nail polish. I don't keep nail polish around... could I use a wood grain finish instead? I think I have some left from when I finished the floor... linseed?minwax?
tung?
ewwww, I am not putting my tung on that....
oh I didn't just say that, did I?
yes, I went there.
bugzappers38666.7420486111
You still have not answered the question of how ADHD effects you personaly and how you deal with it or how you help your children deal with. You have also not offered any attempts to provide information that would lead to a solution.
"Positive helpful people find solutions. Negative self serving people find fault."
This is a very broad statement and not logical:Quoting reality
" The SSRI and SNRI antidepressants are the DEADLIEST "mental illness" medications ever made."
I can't imagine an adult continuing an antidepressant that was so severely agitating that they were having thoughts of doing harm to themselves or others. The reasonable thing to do would be to discontinue them. An adult would really have to more things going on to do such a thing.
I think possibly too high of a dosage could cause agitation in some anti-depressants, but I have never heard of a case an anti-depressant caused someone to kill someone else. Have you?
Your quote
"Those drugs can cause you to kill other people.... AND THEY DO !!"
Of course people need to be cautious and read and learn about all side effects. Personallly I wouldn't take an antidepressant that had such a warning. I think you are lumping ALL into what is really a small category. That's my opinion.
I see you appear to be annoyed by the DSM. And I am glad you made that clear. It helps to put things into perspective.
I think that's about all I needed to say.
I wish they would address how parkinsons is not real and alz and that is not caused by a chemical imbalance.
oh wait, they can't. Why, because that would ruin the spoils.
refuse to talk about other dx that have the same inhibitors, because you can't remove those once you acknowledge the existence of them.
And that would go against the crusade of these hell hounds.
there is more proof of alz and parkinsons regarding chemical imbalance then there is proof these chuckleheads exist.
"but I have never heard of a case an anti-depressant caused someone to kill someone else. Have you? "
I literally have hundreds of stories about murder and mayhem involving SSRI and SNRI antidepressants. This is one story from the FDA hearings to illustrate how it happens. In this case, fortunately, no one was killed.
6 MR. COREY BAADSGAARD: Good morning. My name is Corey Baadsgaard.
Four years ago I was
diagnosed with having social anxiety disorder, and my family practitioner doctor, he prescribed Paxil 20 milligrams.
11 After about 8 1/2 months, I started taking 40 milligrams of Paxil because it was not working at 20 milligrams. A few months after that, I went back. The same problem, it wasn't working, and he suggested I start taking a new medication called
Effexor.
He abruptly discontinued the Paxil and put me immediately on Effexor at 75 milligrams, and I was supposed to work up to 300 milligrams over a
3-week period. The day that I took the 300
milligrams, I didn't feel very well and I stayed
home from school. I went back to sleep and that evening I woke up in a juvenile detention center.
Unaware of what I had actually done, I asked one of the members of the juvenile detention center, and I
found out that I had taken my high-powered rifle
that I use for hunting to my third period class,
took 23 of my classmates hostage and 1 teacher hostage.
I spent 14 months in jail, not really
knowing why I had been there, not really
remembering anything that I had done.
This whole thing has changed my whole
family, it changed me, myself. We were forced to move. I cannot even go back to the same town that I lived in, I have to stay at least 25 miles away from city limits. These drugs are ridiculous. They should not be prescribed unless it's absolutely last resort.
17 & ; ;nbs p; MR. JAY BAADSGAARD: These drugs are hell. Look at what they have done to my son.
Oh, look, he STILL avoided my post. Is he/she perhaps hiding something? Like a REASON to be here?
Is the above story about your other son??
[QUOTE=sdw227]You still have not answered the question of how ADHD effects you personaly and how you deal with it or how you help your children deal with. You have also not offered any attempts to provide information that would lead to a solution.
"Positive helpful people find solutions. Negative self serving people find fault."
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I AM HERE BECAUSE THE DRUG COMPANIES ARE SELLING YOU DANGEROUS MEDICATIONS AND I JUST WANT YOU TO BE FULLY INFORMED OF THE RISKS... ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE GIVING THESE DRUGS TO CHILDREN.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW... PLEASE STOP READING MY POSTS.
Sweet... thanks for the tip.
Glad you could come to play, buddy...
What does chemical imbalance have to do with your anti medications..please tell us curus, reality , adhdisbogus.. or whatever your name is today.
Then you can tell me your personal experience.
then you can tell me why is parkinsons and alz a chemical imbalance of dopamine.
do you think you can?
AND I CAN'T STOP READING YOUR POSTS. YOU POST TO EVERYTHING FROM A HANGNAIL TO A TERD POLISHING CONTEST.... ON EVERYBOARD, AT EVERY THREAD.
I ALSO WANT TO SEE YOU TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE, AND STOP READING OUR POSTS...
ps. you can't polish a terd...
bugzappers38666.7192592593
I cannot help but read your post. You give bad information that have NOTHING to do with the intention of this board. This board is NOT for people such as yourself. You give harmful bias and misguided information with no solution or helpful comments.
Seriously consider your motives and relize that you harm people with the information you share.
You are also posting things that have nothing to do with the topic of this forum.
You waste time. You bother people. You do not help. You hinder. If it is your mission to be negative and harmful you are successful.
Your information could harm people. You are more harmful than drug companies you hate so much because you promote a "do nothing to better yourself" suggestion.
Provide solutions. To not provide solutions is downright pathetic.
You are not in here because of your anger against drug companies. You are in here because you are a wack job in need of a hobby.
sdw22738666.7190046296 reality - Would you share your view on medications for mental illnesses? I checked and did not find any posts you have made in alternative treatments. I was wondering if you are anti-medication for ADHD but you don't seem to be promoting ANY alternative. Are you against any kind of treatment and if so does that mean that you don't believe ADHD exists?I would like to know what exactly you are against--- diagnosis of mental illness(es)? --- or prescription medications for mental illness(es)?
You obviously have some issue or you wouldn't be here. Could you please be clear about what that issue is? I think I am getting mixed messages.
cynthiatweedle38666.5532291667
Oh, so depression is not real? Ah, okay. You know, Reality has ALL the answers! Why are we even seeking info on this board? Reality, you should be the next surgeon general!! You are one SMART fella!
BTW, you never do address my questions asking for personal experiences. Oh, wait, you did once, with the dead son story. I forgot. You have since to answer any of my questions pertaining to your personal experiences with honesty.
Cynthia,
I used that example to clearly show that antidepressant users who commit violent acts usually have no idea what they are doing.
Sometimes it comes as a "dream" that they cannot control. When Brynn Hartman (Zoloft) murdered her husband Phil hartman, she called the neighbor to come over and tell her what was real.
THAT IS WHAT MAKES SSRI AND SNRI ANTIDEPRESSANTS THE MOST DANGEROUS DRUGS EVER LEGALIZED !!!
thats funny as you blame the parents sdw666
http://adhdnews.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13733&PN=1 &TPN=1
i see your still online cant you sleep.
[QUOTE=reality]DEPRESSION IN MOTHERS CAUSES ADHD IN CHILDREN !!
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You have GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!!
Think, reality, does this really make sense to you? You are using a turn of logic to make a point that just isn't real. Your name doesn't fit you. I'm sorry, but you are not making sense.
[QUOTE=sdw227]Oh, look, he STILL avoided my post. Is he/she perhaps hiding something? Like a REASON to be here?
Is the above story about your other son??
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and what are you hiding. you despise who you reply to and add parents and blame them like you do here
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