Causes of ADHD websites
[QUOTE=psm0904] don't trust expensive treatments that insurance won't cover
Drug companies make billions every year. It dosen't matter if they get the majority of thier money from insurance companies.
Since when does the COST of a treatment or whether or not insurance covers it, determine if it helps or not?
cnn i think so. i have cable here but i have to go out anyways. what number is CNN again. i only ever watch C-SPAN (350 here) and Bloomberg which is next to that and occasionally IFC (550) so those are kinda easy to remember...
so i'll miss it cos i have to shower and get my ass outta here or i'll be late (again).
I heard that parkinsons was stalled by smoking to a degree as it blocks an enviromental toxin.
I know this is another website I am posting about, but, I get all my med info here.
www.remedyfind.com
read this..
[QUOTE=reality]
Glen,
Teen Screen is like bringing the psychiatrists to the kids... uninvited.
At one school they "screened" 350 kids and 71% were diagnosed with a "mental disorder".
It would not be a waste of time for the drug companies.
... bet you didn't know that in the USA, schools get $400 per kid if they convince the parents to have the kid "tested" and he/she ends up on "mental illness"drugs.
[/QUOTE]I got so mad, I had to leave the forum...
[QUOTE=psm0904]Ok. Well, calm down then[/quote]
I was replying to Bug's statement that ADHD is connected to Parkinson's and Alz......in which glutamate is a major factor for both of those (Parkinson's and Alz.), and you post this sarcastic remark to me and you tell ME to calm down?.....
[quote]So glutamate cured his ADHD? And no medical professional knows about this cure? They keep telling us there is no cure? They are all lying to us? What would be the point of that? Was it pricey? [/quote]
[quote] I'm not into alternative treatments, don't trust expensive treatments that insurance won't cover[/quote]
So why bother waste my time replying?? Go read the alternative board if you want to know.
but i also heard that if you smoke you don't get alzheimers (was totally true for my grandmother smoked 20 a day up until the age of 86 was totally lucid the entire time, never lost her memory or her marbles - was more together than me and the same goes for her brother died 92 also a 20 a day smoker - died of heart failure in his sleep)
[/QUOTE]
Well pass me a smoke, then! Alzheimers runs in my family . . Grandma's dad had it, grandma has it, my dad shows the early signs of having it, and I have ADHD so . . Light 'er up!
I'm sorry bout your Grandma, CJ. My own great-granmda had something similar happen -- they needed to do surgery (she was 96) and she had been in the hosp for a long time and they had no more veins to stick so they had to go for the big one in her neck, and messed it up and she died . . This happened when I was about 10 thats how my mom tells the story. Alot of Doctors aren't too concerned if the patient is really old, I guess . .
Well, we know it is an imbalance and a chemical one at that. We know it has something to do with seratonin, dopamine,and select other chemicals.
We know some scans work in some people, just like some meds do. We also know that it borders along with some other dx, such as parkinsons and ALZ.
We also know it hardly ever is only a single dx. It generally has another problem with it.
We also know that if we don't try to find out more, we never will.
But , like you all know. We don't know the cause.
I wonder how much may come to cigs. Cig companies are always so quiet about things. My dad smoked. mom didn't.. I did, wife did. Her parents, dad did, mom nope.
I keep reading enviormental toxins, genetics, nicotine,addictive,cancer,secondhandsmoke,4000 chemicals in cig smoke, then i read smoking may curb some effects of parkinsons, then told untrue.
I just wonder if we are not being fed a line of bs, and this does stem from smoking.
I have to say, the MOST POTENT drug on the planet has to be nicotine. You light up and take 1 drag, and feel better. No holding in, no nothing. just inhale, and exhale.
if they do keep it underwraps, it is a good thing, we would sue the cig manufacturer back to the stone age.
Which is why I will never know in my lifetime. too many lobby and special interests going on.
a few pipes and all but not cigarettes.
still there is another good example of doctors peddling bullsh*t. "Dr Jones says Lucky Strikes are best for your health!" adverts everywhere in the 20s.
honestly - you just can't trust these guys!
but i also heard that if you smoke you don't get alzheimers (was totally true for my grandmother smoked 20 a day up until the age of 86 was totally lucid the entire time, never lost her memory or her marbles - was more together than me and the same goes for her brother died 92 also a 20 a day smoker - died of heart failure in his sleep) my grandmother died after her hip operation got septic a kind of MRSA bug in it from the unhygenic conditions in the hospital - otherwise i reckon she had at least a good 10-15 more years in her... she should never have gone for that operation. never.
dead on heidi m they are not too concerned. not too concerned at all or just plain not concerned...
thanks tater --- did you write in the alt forum about what supplements and all?
you know what? i'll check there myself - how about that for a novel idea?
[QUOTE=chjones]dead on heidi m they are not too concerned. not too concerned at all or just plain not concerned...
[/QUOTE]
It's scary to think about it but the doctor may see an old person near the end anyway and maybe not give them the best care . . I'd hate to be the 75 year old hoping my doctor hasn't decided it was my time anyway so he's not going to try to hard . .
cj do you have cnn? they're talking about it right now . . . So glutamate cured his ADHD? And no medical professional knows about this cure? They keep telling us there is no cure? They are all lying to us? What would be the point of that? Was it pricey?
[QUOTE=psm0904]So glutamate cured his ADHD?[/quote]
Are you putting words in my mouth? Where did you EVER see that I said that glutamate cured ADHD? That statement doesn't even make sense....I think you better go back and read this thread.
How can a toxic level of an excitatory neurotransmitter CURE ADHD....what an assinine statement!
On the cigarette front, I never read you don't get Alzheimers if you smoke. That would be an "iffy" claim to me since it causes hardening of the arteries, which is a major problem with Alzheimers. We don't have much Alzheimers in the family though so I'm really not in an authoratative position here---and we're nonsmokers. I do know that people with schizophrenia are said to be helped somewhat by smoking, but I have no idea why and didn't pursue the topic after I read it. I don't even know if it's true (beware false info on the internet).
Smoking WHILE PREGNANT can cause problems like ADHD, or so one of the 100's of theories goes. My youngest's birthmother never drank or did any drugs while pregnant, but, being young and unmarried, she was very nervous and did smoke cigarettes. My daughter is 9, and a very sweet girl, but she does have some LD problems. She may have ADHD too. I have no idea if smoking contributed to that.
Ok. Well, calm down then and explain what this knowledge and the supplement has done for your son. I'm not into alternative treatments, don't trust expensive treatments that insurance won't cover, and there is no need to be rude. Please clarify. Then, if it doesn't cure ADHD, why take the supplements? I truly don't get it.[QUOTE=chjones]tater what is glutamate[/quote]
It is the #1 excitatory neurotransmitter.....the 2nd most plentiful neurotransmitter in the brain...only 2nd to GABA.
[quote]--- how do you lower it?[/quote]
We are on a hefty supplement/vitamin schedule
[quote]how do you check for it? [/QUOTE]
Neurotransmitter testing
tater what is glutamate --- how do you lower it? how do you check for it?
[QUOTE=bugzappers]
We know some scans work in some people, just like some meds do. We also know that it borders along with some other dx, such as parkinsons and ALZ.
[/QUOTE]
And the neurotransmitter responsible there is glutamate....my son's glutamate level was 113 with normal being 8-20......no ADHD med was going to fix that.....but my supplement therapy is. At last check the level was 42.
My son's brain was being fried by his glutamate levels.
Tater, I agree. We still don't know what's going on in the brains or GENES of these kids, but we're slowly making progress.I agree with you, Fallon. I agree because nobody knows what causes ADHD. Actually they ARE doing research, but have no concrete answers yet. This goes for all things covered under "mental illness" and many neurological disorders. There are no answers. [QUOTE=pastmember]There has never been any genetic study done to prove any disorders are genetic. [/QUOTE]
This is why I strongly suggest people dont pay attention to ANYTHING they read on this site as far as research info.
How do I know?
Close friend #1: Is the benchmark for a rare physiological disorder, all the research materials are written about him and his brother. A disorder that is most certainly genetic and recognized by genetic profiling.
Close friend #2: Is on the cutting edge of genetic profiling providing exactly this kind of service. The fact that he's also mildly crazy makes me nervous to know that he has DNA disassemblers and reassemblers at his disposal.
Yes, the science is currently pretty rudimentary compared to what it could one day provide, but your statement is wholly inaccurate. Seeing the mechanism and recognizing it is very different to being able to manipulate it.
Great sites, thank you.
According to most experts, ADD is a neurobiological condition with chemical/genetic underpinnings for non-standard brain function.
Environmental and genetic factors appear to influence the manifestation of ADD symptoms. From what we know about other neurobiological and developmental disorders, the environment can affect the outcome of a genetically predisposed condition like ADD.
Scientific research has presented strong evidence for the following causes of ADD:
- Genes
- Lower amounts of brain chemicals that foster attention and self-regulation
- Different early brain development
Certain brain functions are slower in people who have ADD, during tasks that require attention or self-regulation. The slowness in tasks requiring executive functioning is caused by a decreased amount of brain chemicals called neurotransmitters in the prefrontal cortex. Neurotransmitters allow for good communication between the brain cells that are responsible for attention, control of impulsivity, and self-regulation. In particular, attention and hyperactivity are associated with very low levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine in the cerebral cortex.
The notion that ADD or ADHD can be acquired, rather than genetically programmed, has some scientific support. Environmental events or conditions that lead to different brain development in utero or during the first year of life may bring about ADD, or at least many symptoms of ADD.
Such events or conditions are considered risk factors for ADHD, if not actual causes. These may be the cause of ADHD in people who have no genetic predisposition, or else they may interact with a genetic predisposition to bring about the symptoms.
However, these dietary elements could exacerbate the symptoms of ADD, or cause behaviors similar to ADHD.
Two pretty good sites: Consensus: They aren't sure. Genetics suspected. Scroll down for the sites. The first site is excellent and very comprehensive.
http://www.helpguide.org/mental/adhd_add_causes.htm
http://www.adhd.org.nz/cause1.html
There has never been any genetic study done to prove any disorders are genetic. If this were true a genetic test would tell you if true are not. This can be done by a genetic blood test for that disorder. Our son had 1 genetic test already results were negative. They say Asd is genetic but no genetic proof has been found in genetic studies. They say disorders are genetic based on a guessing game theory. [QUOTE=psm0904]But I think there's a little truth in all--probably different reasons kids get ADHD.[/QUOTE]
That's been the point all along.....there are MANY contributing factors that may be responsible...and, things that are labeled as ADHD might not even be (I'm not talking BP or PDD).
I KNOW there is disorder called ADHD...true ADHD. But, I see children everyday that are labeled as such, and I can tell the ones that have TRUE ADHD b/c of everything that goes along with it....they are my son.
So, I question what is going on inside of the little brains and bodies of these others....I truly believe there are so many other routes to check out first.
No. but reality posted it, and it pissed me off.
If they get paid so much per child who needs special ed or has a mental disorder you'd think they wouldn't give us such a hard time about testing.
[QUOTE=bepatient]Since when does the COST of a treat or whether or not insurance covers it determine if it helps or not?
[/QUOTE]
And she loves to ignore my posts over and over that state that Blue Cross/Blue Shield and Medicare both pay for neurotransmitter testing.
And, I found my ND on the Blue Cross web site under the ALTERNATIVE Treatments section 
[QUOTE=bugzappers]read this..
[QUOTE=reality]
Glen,
Teen Screen is like bringing the psychiatrists to the kids... uninvited.
At one school they "screened" 350 kids and 71% were diagnosed with a "mental disorder".
It would not be a waste of time for the drug companies.
... bet you didn't know that in the USA, schools get $400 per kid if they convince the parents to have the kid "tested" and he/she ends up on "mental illness"drugs.
[/QUOTE]
I got so mad, I had to leave the forum...
[/QUOTE]
That CAN'T be true....can it? 
Enter Your Email below to claim your Free Book