???? This study wasn't "ghostwritten". It's not a paper written by
someone else and then "signed" by a well known doctor.
It's a couple of unknown researchers studying hospital death data. [/
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To address your specific point: The article you posted says nothing about
"well-known" doctors signing papers - just that they're written by one
group and signed by another.
But that fails to address the larger point: The article you posted does not
say "ghostwritten articles in JAMA & the like cannot be trusted" - it says
that JAMA & the like cannot be trusted because they publish ghostwritten
articles. In other words, these journals cannot be considered reputable
and trustworthy sources because, according to your article, up to 50% of
articles are ghostwritten, and I suppose the extrapolation from that is
that one has no way of knowing what is real hard science & what is not.
Of course, I imagine your way of knowing is that if it's a piece that reflects
positively on medications it must be ghostwritten or checkbook-ed, and if
it reflects negatively it must be hard science - after all, only the evil
pharmaceutical companies would twist science & fact into something
barely recognisable as such; the anti-med crowd would *never* do that,
right?
But I digress...the point is, JAMA can be either a reputable source that
lends credibility to the data you cite, or it can be an untrustworthy source
that allows suspect "science" to slip through. It can't be both, based on
whether the data therein supports or refutes your position.
I read that report. Yup - all meds combined.
But of course to mention that would take away the fear. Most prescription deaths are anaphylactic shock from allergy, interacting with other meds, improper dosing, and abuse. But again - to bring that out takes all the fear of our meds away.
Meggie,
Drug companies have people write articles on various drugs and they review them. If it's good enough for the drug company, they pay a doctor up to ,000 to sign as the author.
Some doctors have gotten so used to the drug money that they no longer bother to read what they are signing as the "author".
3 of the big boys at the FDA... Drs. Katz, Temple and Laughren make about an extra ,000 per day doing this. (They had to admit their involvement with drug companies at the FDA hearing on antidepressants.)
But, I'll get you some better proof.
Reality,
I am begging you. Go away! You have said the same thing over and over and over and it is totally crap!
EVERYBODY WHO IS NEW ON THIS SITE:
REALITY, ADHDisBOGUS, CURUS, AND BALANCED ARE TROLLS. THEY ARE ROBOTS TRAINED AND BRAINWASHED TO ATTACK FOLKS WITH ADHD AND TO LIE TO US ABOUT THE DANGERS OF MEDICATION!
Fallen,
That Dutch study was on just 3 types of meds.
And I thought mine was on just prescription drugs, but it looks like ALL drugs.
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Fallen,
That Dutch study was on just 3 types of meds.
And I thought mine was on just prescription drugs, but it looks like ALL drugs.
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JHarman,
The data from the study was considered to be good enough to be published in the Journal of American Medical Association.
Adverse reactions to prescription and even otc drugs do kill people.... tens of thousands of them.... every year.
If you figure in just how many prescription drugs are taken every day in the USA, this "death" figure isn't very large at all. But when I point it out as 1 American every 5 minutes, it hits closer to home.
Even if I get you some "newer" info, it really won't change the figures much. Every year, there's more new drugs put out there and more people taking them.
bugz,
I've never denied that ADHD exists.
I think the tests you refer to are for "chemical imbalance". THERE ARE NO SAFE TESTS TO CHECK THE "PROPER BALANCED LEVEL" OF EITHER SEROTONIN OR DOPAMINE.
Really, Would you like me to dig out some posts from you about anti adhd?bugz,
Please show me some posts I made in which I claimed ADHD does not exist.
mercury.. ring a bell. adhd sarcastically referred to as really autism..
You must admit Reality. That was kind of funny!!
[QUOTE=reality] The data from the study was considered to be good enough to be
published in the Journal of American Medical Association.
Meggie,
Just for you...
I won't use JAMA anymore even though some of their stuff isn't
tainted by drug money.
There are new people coming here every day. So, my "job" isn't done.... it's neverending.
reality,
If you believe medications are evil incarnate waiting to jump out and kill you, just don't take them, don't give them to your children. Its that easy.
Let the rest of us be responsible for ourselves and our children.
I think you have been here long enough to realize you are not convincing anyone. I will admit that you probably have made some people a little more cautious about just letting the dr put their kids on meds when interventions or supplements may be the best answer for them. I'll give you that. It may have even saved a lot of grief.
Your "job" here is done. We are all now aware that meds can be dangerous and sometimes lethal. You can stop now.
Reality,
I am begging you. Go away! You have said the same thing over and over and over and it is totally crap!
EVERYBODY WHO IS NEW ON THIS SITE:
REALITY, ADHDisBOGUS, CURUS, AND BALANCED ARE TROLLS. THEY ARE ROBOTS TRAINED AND BRAINWASHED TO ATTACK FOLKS WITH ADHD AND TO LIE TO US ABOUT THE DANGERS OF MEDICATION!
[QUOTE=reality]
Meggie,
Drug companies have people write articles on various drugs and they
review them. If it's good enough for the drug company, they pay a doctor
up to ,000 to sign as the author.
Some doctors have gotten so used to the drug money that they no
longer bother to read what they are signing as the "author".
3 of the big boys at the FDA... Drs. Katz, Temple and Laughren make
about an extra ,000 per day doing this. (They had to admit their
involvement with drug companies at the FDA hearing on antidepressants.)
But, I'll get you some better proof.
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Meggie,
Just for you...
I won't use JAMA anymore even though some of their stuff isn't tainted by drug money.
He never will admit that he is a hypocrite or that the information was exaggerated. He is all about scare tactics, he will always be about scare tactics, and he will always be able to distort the truth in order to use scare tactics. I feel sorry for anybody who is new here that believes all the negatives he says, with out trying to learn for themselves
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9804/14/drug.reaction/