[QUOTE=IMac]Yup, ADHD has only been recognized and treated since 1902. I guess more than a hundred years is pretty new.[/QUOTE]
This is what happens when you take Ritalin and everything else your five psychiatrists are willing to dish out for just, well, too damn long.
ADHD was offered as a business development proposal to the American Psychiatric Association in the 1980's, and then passed by a VOTE in committee. Later they decided to look through looney tune writings of various folks over the entire 1900's, and to retroactively bring all these rantings into the ADHD category so they could claim that ADHD had a long history. This is so easily confirmed!! What a load of drug dealing blather you spew!!
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If your looking to CURE adhd, good luck, but there is no medication or therapy that can cure adhd.
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The cure for ADHD is as easy as it can be!! Just cure it the same way you invented it -- by a committee vote!!! Just like the APA did to the "disease" of homosexuality they simply voted it away!
Of course individuals can also cure themselves of the "disorder" the same way they were afflicted by it -- by mere declaration!
You're so small and tiny with an itsey bitsy little voice. [QUOTE=GlenW]Well there is one miracle cure - the human papilloma virus vaccine. That's one of the only ones I know of that can stop a deadly illness before it begins with 100 percent effectiveness. For the rest of life's woes we have to settle with above 50 percent.
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This from a self-proclaimed potato chip packer (yes, this is what he claims, we all know the real business ...)
Squeak squeak.
"Later they decided to look through looney tune writings of various folks over the entire 1900's, and to retroactively bring all these rantings into the ADHD category so they could claim that ADHD had a long history. "
What does bugs and daffy have to do with the invention of ADHD. OMG!!! Looney tunes were made as way to brain wash us. As kids we watched it, suddenly got ADHD and somehow passed it on to our children. We suffered with it for years, and then gained low self esteem leading to depression and anxiety. Now our children are over diagnosed and suffer daily in school. If only Cyote would have caught the road runner all would have turned out different. Wait, I taught I taw a putty tat? What's up doc.
Drugs drugsItsy bitsy little voice.[QUOTE=diffydonna] What does bugs and daffy have to do with the invention of ADHD. QUOTE]
Dunno, Bugzappers brought up the idea that ADHD was some kind of real disease or something. Nonsense of course. Pretty funny.
Well, ADHD overdiagnosis does have something in common with Bugs and Daffy -- they are both created by Looney Tunes and every child has potential to be held captive by them!!!
.IMac38947.5032986111 [QUOTE=IMac][QUOTE=diffydonna] What does bugs and daffy have to do with the invention of ADHD. QUOTE]
Dunno, Bugzappers brought up the idea that ADHD was some kind of real disease or something. Nonsense of course. Pretty funny.
Well, ADHD overdiagnosis does have something in common with Bugs and Daffy -- they are both created by Looney Tunes and every child has potential to be held captive by them!!!
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Uh......have you ever heard of sarcasm?
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i don't believe that you can suppress the natural altruistic nature of many scientists all around the world who, regardless of large pharmaceutical multi-nationals greed, will look into all sorts of possible cures...
i am sure not everyone in the world is caught up in a solely materialistic mindset and pressure or no, if they find a cure i am sure they will get it out there one way or another. and, of course, if they are decent they will give free access of the information for the benefit of all sufferers and to help millions of children and adults around the world such as did that english bloke who first invented the first vaccine (for smallpox) i forget his name.... i don't give up hope in the world, not everyone puts personal profit and the credo of capitalism and money above helping their fellow man.
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I agree with you.. and there is hope that pharmacuetical companies can and will do the right thing without regard to the profit margines.. Merck pharmacueticals I am sure lost a ton of money when they developed a cure for River Blindness in Africa. The people there coudnt afford it.. so they GAVE it to them.
http://www.merck.com/about/feature_story/05192004_mectizan.h tml
The same company also freely treated Tuberculosis in Japan 40 years ago. Because of their generousity, they are now the biggest pharm in Japan.
I know that they are all still big companies out for the money. But I do also believe that their is an element of humaness and compassion among the scientific community that, at times, will overcome the corporate bottom line.
Sherry
well, there is the Stopping ADHD book by O'Dell with which annidagostini has had much success...
and there are cures for some things - giving someone a shot of adrenalin when they are in anaphylactic shock from an allergic reaction to a bee sting can stop them dying right there and then or more surgically laser eye treatment for people who are short-sighted cures their short-sightedness. i don't know there seem to me to be cures to things...
i don't know whether you want to call them miracles or not but there are definitely cures out there. some slow, some painful, some fast and seemingly miraculous i guess...
but ADD is fairly new diagnosis and i don't see why something more than a symptom suppressant etc. might not be found. if you want to go 'conspiratorial' you might say well, it is in no-one's interests to look for a cure because that way the makers of Adderall etc. would lose the benefits of long term costly suppressants but although i think there is an element of corruption within the drug companies i don't believe that you can suppress the natural altruistic nature of many scientists all around the world who, regardless of large pharmaceutical multi-nationals greed, will look into all sorts of possible cures...
i am sure not everyone in the world is caught up in a solely materialistic mindset and pressure or no, if they find a cure i am sure they will get it out there one way or another. and, of course, if they are decent they will give free access of the information for the benefit of all sufferers and to help millions of children and adults around the world such as did that english bloke who first invented the first vaccine (for smallpox) i forget his name.... i don't give up hope in the world, not everyone puts personal profit and the credo of capitalism and money above helping their fellow man.
Very true!!
Well there is one miracle cure - the human papilloma virus vaccine. That's one of the only ones I know of that can stop a deadly illness before it begins with 100 percent effectiveness. For the rest of life's woes we have to settle with above 50 percent.
At least you haven't been diagnosed with an incurable melanoma, or similar...then imagine the whining!
[QUOTE=chjones]but ADD is fairly new diagnosis[/QUOTE]Yup, ADHD has only been recognized and treated since 1902. I guess more than a hundred years is pretty new.[/QUOTE]
My understanding is that they have known about ADHD for a long time, but they have only more recently been studying the ADD or ADHD-inattentive and ADHD-combined subtypes.
Ah the Rush Limbaugh crowd rises high!! ROFLMAO!!! I knew you were a thumper!!
Now sing a rousing round of "bringing in the sheaves" - spill some blood on some frightened young person and go running home to mommy. She'll be sure to put a nice new dress on you and make it all better.
You are sooo pathetic - yet make me laugh. Play monkey play!!
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Till then, stay off my posts.
I stay off yours, you stay off mine.
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Um, sorry bugeyes, but you will not be allowed to promote dangerous and fraudulent disease myths, and to sell drugs and services on this site without a reality check.
[QUOTE=IMac][QUOTE=chjones]Well, considering ADHD has evolved from Minimal Brain Dysfunction, what's in a name.
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Yeah, in the field of psychiatry and "diseases" invented by a vote in a committee, rather than science -- which requires all kinds of inconvenient things related to proof, what's in a name? Personally, I think ADHD goes back to the beginning of time. There was recent evidence of a misquito bite on a dinosaur, this proves it don't you agree?
Fraud - aka bogus - is like the anti-abortion zealots. They believe that we are all wrong and they are all right. There is no gray - they know better than we and we had better stop lest we burn in the fires of hell!
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Your're right Glen, we know that democrats like us who push drugging children and the equal rights of terrorists are always right, just like you claim. We understand our beliefs on abortion too -- that delivering a baby and then shoving scissors in it's brain and sucking the brain out with a vacuum is a humane treatment designed to save the life of the mother. We all know that allowing the rest of a baby to come out of the vaginal canal after the head has been delivered could seriously jeopardize the life of the mother.
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It's pathetic - they read a few lines by freaks who never had a family member with ADHD telling the world how terrible medication is (not just about ADHD but depression, innoculations - even antibiotics and arthritis meds!) and that we are merely stupid idiots shoving pills in our loved one's mouths.
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Be careful Glen, you can make us look bad. Everyone knows that innoculations have helped us all, except the triple ones that caused autism. And we should be careful about announcing what we are doing when we force the kids to take their drugs.
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Read the bugzapper's list of flaming techniques. They use them all - and poorly at that. Why - fraud/bogus even went at ME trying to say I lied about making chips - that I work for the pharmaceutical companies! (I'm still waiting for that cheque by the way).
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Don't worry Glen, we all know that you are a potato chip packager with a devout belief in the ADHD faith, and that this alone is what drives all of your interest in this web site. I won't tell that Bugeyes borrowed her flaming points from Howard Dean in the democrat party.
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Best thing we can do is keep reporting them. The only other alternative is to go to a forum that bans that kind of rhetoric fast. I have a couple - any who wish to check them out should message me and I'll pass it along.
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Yes, I agree, we should only subsrcibe to web sites that promote drugs and that have constant monitoring to ensure that facts about drug side affects are immediately removed. Allowing people to read real accounts of damage from these drugs could seriously and negatively impact the potato chip packing business.
O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0what don't you understand??? annidagostini has stated outright that the exercises have helped her personally and therefore she believes the book to be a possible cure. so either she is lying and not an honest, decent person and the exercises have not helped her at all and this is all part of some dishonest agenda or she is telling the truth. i personally believe she is telling the truth -
if YOU choose to believe there is no cure, that's fine but your attitude is as much misinformation --- exactly how do you KNOW there is no cure. you say 'there ain't no cure' how is that not posting misinformation in the same way -- stating opinion as fact??? if annidagostini says the book is curing her - then it is a cure for her and possibly for others.
anni has tried meds and doesn't criticise them either - as far as i have ever noticed within the posts of hers that i have read at least.
I find annidagostini to be a decent person. I'm glad the book is working for her. She also explained in the past how her legs where in braces and that the book addresses something that happens to you when you do not learn to crawl properly. I don't understand it all and I don't need to. If it is working for her then I commend her on sharing this information.
Now for ADHDisFRAID...I'm not sure what this persons agenda is. I know that I have something going on in my head that leaves me unable to perform many routine task that I should be able to. I also know that since taking Ritalin LA my performance at work has dramatically improved and I am getting more done then ever in my life.
If you don't like or believe in meds I don't really care. I take them and it greatly inhances my performance. If you think it is wrong to take drugs to make you perform better at work...again, I don't care. If we, as humans, have invented a drug that makes me perform well at work which leads to a sucessful career, more money and harmonious personal relationships, will sh*t, that's a no brainer, I'm taking the drug. At least I can pay my bills comfortably, live in a nice place, have a good relationship and am satisfied with my job. This has been a first for me. If you don't like that.....well, I don't care. When I bring home big fat paychecks, have a happy partner and get to enjoy my home and chill by the pool on the weekends....well, now I care!!! I also feel like I've acomplished things with my day instead of spinning wheels and wondering why I have so many projects going on at once that never get finished...and why I'm always one step behind with my accounts and clients who wonder why such a smart guy is always dropping the ball.
Uh, pass me my Ritalin LA!
Or, if you prefer and it works, crawl your way to happiness!
Sparco -
I agree totally that anni is a great one. She's found what works and all the best to her for it! Instead of the troll's line that we are evil and they are smarter than us - she says "why not try this?". That's truly what the forums are for!
Fraud - aka bogus - is like the anti-abortion zealots. They believe that we are all wrong and they are all right. There is no gray - they know better than we and we had better stop lest we burn in the fires of hell!
It's pathetic - they read a few lines by freaks who never had a family member with ADHD telling the world how terrible medication is (not just about ADHD but depression, innoculations - even antibiotics and arthritis meds!) and that we are merely stupid idiots shoving pills in our loved one's mouths.
Read the bugzapper's list of flaming techniques. They use them all - and poorly at that. Why - fraud/bogus even went at ME trying to say I lied about making chips - that I work for the pharmaceutical companies! (I'm still waiting for that cheque by the way).
Best thing we can do is keep reporting them. The only other alternative is to go to a forum that bans that kind of rhetoric fast. I have a couple - any who wish to check them out should message me and I'll pass it along.
.IMac38947.5030208333Well put sassee! It would be extremely rare to find someone having to be detoxified from ADHD meds. They are so well-tuned now to the troubles we have - they have very little in common with illicit drugs. The only one commonly abused is Ritalin - and then it's snorted or you just don't get that "high" - the rush they are looking for.
I wish they'd put an extra ingredient in Ritalin making it uncomfortable or painful to snort so that it would stop being abused in the way it is. It causes me no end of upset to have to keep hearing about it's abuse.
Well, I don't claim to be any kind of expert, but I did work for a Detox/Chemical Dependency Unit for a hospital for a couple of years, and not one of those poor people were there for addiction to meds used for ADHD. It was almost always alcohol, heroin, and benzodiazepines (which are used for anxiety), and once in a while multi-drug dependency with the above drugs and cocaine and/or marijuana. I realize this is one small cross-section of our society and doesn't represent the whole, but I thought it was worth mentioning.
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[QUOTE=chjones]well, there is the Stopping ADHD book by O'Dell with which annidagostini has had much success...[/QUOTE]You're kidding, right?
[QUOTE=chjones]but ADD is fairly new diagnosis[/QUOTE]<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Yup, ADHD has only been recognized and treated since 1902. I guess more than a hundred years is pretty new.</span>[/QUOTE]
no, no imac i wasn't kidding at all. annidagostini posts regularly on these boards and comes across to me at least as a very honest, decent person - i have no reason to believe that she would be trying to deceive anyone with her reaction and results to the book. i think she is kind and helpful and honest - as it goes.
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Thank you chjones,
I truly appreciate your support. I know that my posts seem far fetched when you read them, but I can truly say that these exercises are changing my life. I do not feel like I have ADD anymore. I do have some symptoms still, but for the most part, these exercises have given me a great gift. If I did not share it with others who are struggling with the same problems, I would be such an ungrateful person. I think that is what life is all about, building up or tearing down.
It is just too bad that some people on this thread are doing the tearing down thing.
All we can do here is to say how it is from our own point of view. We can only stand and tell what it is like for us. We cannot walk in someone else's skin, we can only imagine.
So, for anyone who wants to know my experience - here it is:
ADD is real - it affected my life to the point that
I lost my business (mostly because I lost my invoices before I sent them out!)
I lost my marriage (some of the reasons I blame on my inability to keep myself and my life together enough to know that my ADD was affecting my relationship)
I lost my job (I couldn't handle the requirements of an organized job)
These things are real in my life - no one can take them away from my experience. It doesn't matter what any troll on here claims - ADD affected my life for the negative. It is real and it deserves our best to deal with it.
Adderal helped me - it helped me see a part of life that was missing for me. It connected part of my thinking to the other side of my thinking. I didn't go in a straight line anymore - I went in circles - I connected back to what I was thinking before - I was no longer Dori the blue fish in Finding Nemo.
Then the Adderal wore off and I needed a higher dose. I tried herbs - they helped - then I found the exercises mentioned above.
Since I have been doing the exercises in that book, I can see from the other side of my thinking now, all the time. I THINK DIFFERENTLY AND NO TROLL ON HERE IS GOING TO TELL ME OTHERWISE. I am organized, I don't forget things like I used to. Thinking is different for me - I didn't learn it, no one taught it to me, the exercises have changed something in me that was wrong before. ADD exists!!!!!!
So, say what you will - quote me and try to shoot me down and tell me that ADD doesn't exist. You will never convince me. I have lived the nightmare of forgeting to tuck my child in bed just five minutes after he just asked me to do it and crawled into bed himself and missed me tucking him in bed.
My solution or cure for ADD might work for someone else on here - that is why I keep posting about it. Someone else's ADD might be caused by something different and possibly the exercises won't work for them. But they might work for others like they have for me and it is worth at least trying.
So, do what you will with this post - call me crazy for believing there is a cure for some cases of ADD - I don't really care. If one person on this post can have the gift that I have been given - then I would gladly have my post cut in a thousand pieces by trolls doing their dirty work and I don't care.
I apologize to the real ADDers out there - because my post is so long, but here it is and I hope you can get through it.
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The cure for ADHD is as easy as it can be!! Just cure it the same way you invented it -- by a committee vote!!! Just like the APA did to the "disease" of homosexuality they simply voted it away!
Of course individuals can also cure themselves of the "disorder" the same way they were afflicted by it -- by mere declaration!
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You are so very wrong. Many people know on this board how wrong you are. I wish you would for one minute - open your mind to the possibility that you are wrong. There is a disorder called ADD. When you have exerperienced both sides of the disorder - before treatment and after - then you know the difference - it is hard to describe to you because you have never experienced it. If you had, you would never post these things.
It is like salt - if someone were to try to describe salt to you - it would be very difficult. You just have to taste it.
You have been blessed with a whole complete mind - it is not hampered by a disability like ADD. You can think clearly and stay on track. Please use that mind to understand this disability instead of just cutting all of us down here. It is too bad that you are using your mind to tear others down. I ask you again, to please stop and think - use the mind you have to treat others respectfully. Everyone deserves that.
Look,