Parents please read, 5 yr old off Ridlin!
If your a parent of a child with ADHD you need to know this. You have probably experienced the same things my wife and I have, your child kicked out of every daycare or school he ever attended for "Behavioral" problems, etc. You went through all the school evaluations to be told he is very bright and is learning, but can't sit in a chair, can't sit in circle time, and is disruptive to other childrens learning and has difficulty focusing, etc. etc. My son was finally diagnosed with ADHD and we understood what was happening. The shock set in when the doctor prescribed Methlyn as a drug solution. Methyln, Ridlin, they are pretty much all the same in my mind. I put my child on it as my doctor recommended much to my dismay after reading the side effects on the label. I was scared to death! I knew it could not be a long time solution as the side effects would surely come back to haunt us down the road. A friend and teacher has 30 plus years experience, so I asked her if parents in her classes had similar issues and what did they do? She told me about a product called L-Theanine that many parents have had good reults with. I researched it a bit and ended up calling a natural products Dr. that has a radio broadcast in NY and asked him the same question. He gave me the same answer L-Theanine. He said it would work fast, in about 3 days. My son has been on it now for 4 months and all of his problems at school have gone away. He can sit in a chair, he can play with the other kids, and he is no longer in danger of being kicked out or held back. Prior to this, by the way, the teacher recommended we hold him back because he was too emotionally immature". The teacher has since asked what we did because of the dramatic change in his behavior. The good thing about this product is that it is a natural product with no known side effects of any kind. Because it is natural, he can take it at school since no prescription is needed. The teachers now give it to him as needed. The exciting part for us, it comes in gum form! My child likes to take it and it does not taste bad! That in itself is half the battle.
I wrote this today as a father that just wants to tell everyone out there about this product that has worked so well for us. I dont represent any manufacturer or any products, I am just a father that feels the need to tell other parents what is working for us. If you have a child that is on Ridlin, methylin or one of the other drugs, you may want to consider this. I am sure there are many manufacturers that make it. The one we use is made by Solaray and is called L-Theanine Gumlet tabs. I hope anyone out there is blessed with the same results as we have been.
kevin.H. regardless of who you are i think the info you have given is helpful to people looking for other solutions ,ive learnt that unless the posts are what these people want to hear they are not interested even if it means your helping others , i find most on here are critical of others and are rude and i certainly wouldnt call it a support forum, neverless thanks for the info kevin
And this from someone who can't be bothered to capitalize words!! Spreading uninformed ignorance is not helping or supporting people.
Again, the alternative section is the appropriate place for this. And for the record, I think there are many options for parents with regards to treatments.
Well I found this info interesting. I even called my local nutritionist and asked about L-Theanine. They said it's not typically used for ADHD but it is a mood stabilizer and helps with concentration, stress and anxiety. He also said that he can understand why some may choose to use this for ADHD but doesn't believe it will make much of a difference (in his opinion). Hey, whatever works! It may for some.
I don't think spelling really matters here. It's one person passing information and experience to another. At least we know he's not trying to make a sale if he can't spell the product right. 
I agree with roxy, it's great information for those who are looking for alternatives. As parents, this is a great place to suggest. I find myself reading this forum above any other in here.
PEACE ALL!
[QUOTE=stepmom2maddy]Again, the alternative section is the appropriate place for this. And for the record, I think there are many options for parents with regards to treatments. [/QUOTE]
I agree. This place is for parents looking for advice - any at that - alternative or not.
Well, one can understand the skeptisism here when there has been such an influx of trolls lately that cut and paste things for info. When you see a mispelled drug that an anti-drug site uses, it raises eyebrows.what works for one may not for others but hey if you have the info and try it and it works ! then i say well done and good for you, its all the bagging and negativity on this site that i dont like i find it insulting and very rude, if you dont like something then hey read on dont bag it and insinuate the person is a seller of something or otherwise when really they are just people like you, and im saying this because recently i was acused of been someone under a different name and really it is childishWell, we have the option of asking questions if we're unclear instead of making assumptions of others who are trying to be helpful. We should first give people the benefit of the doubt before we harp down their necks. Just my thoughts.
Well, I think IMac put it best when he stated that if someone claims to do alot of research and then doesn't spell the drug correctly, their credibility is questionable. We have no way of truly knowing who someone is on here, and spelling and grammer is one key way to gather an assumption about a newbie that has a solution that many are not aware of for treating ADHD.
Well, I think IMac put it best when he stated that if someone claims to do alot of research and then doesn't spell the drug correctly, their credibility is questionable. We have no way of truly knowing who someone is on here, and spelling and grammer is one key way to gather an assumption about a newbie that has a solution that many are not aware of for treating ADHD. [/QUOTE]
I think he was sharing his experience. I've seen many people here who've mispelled - me included. It's not ok to make assumptions. If you need clarity, ask more questions. If you don't agree with the poster - let it be. He wasn't harming anyone. He was talking about a product that was working for his child.
[QUOTE=IMac] I don't know why, but I am always suspicious of people who claim to have researched something in detail, but don't take the time to learn how to spell the name of the drug. It has nothing to do with typos or spelling skills. [/QUOTE]
That was exactly what I was thinking. In fact, I think one of these anti-drug sites spells it that same way. Hmmmm. At any rate, this info should be in the alternatives section.
I am not an anti drug zealot and quite frankly your rude as hell. Last time I visit this site. Let me guess, a couple of new want to be doctors who don't believe anything natural can help you. It worked for my son and that is all I wanted to tell anyone.Kevin H., I find it hard to believe that you don't already have multiple personalities on this board.
Read about the side effects on the label? Give me a break.
The drug is Methylphenidate. The other brand names you mentioned are Methylin and Ritalin. Perhaps three syllable words are too much for you.
What are the ingredients to L-Theanine? Never heard of it. Thanks for sharing and I'm glad things have worked out well with your child.
Ok I thought I'd do a search instead:
L-Theanine by Suntheanine may help:*
- Promote relaxation without drowsiness.
- Reduce stress.
- Decrease nervousness.
- Improve learning performance and concentration.
- Counteract negative side effects of caffeine and ephedrine.
- Diminish symptoms of PMS.
- No artificial colors
- No casein
- No chemical additives
- No D-theanine
- No gluten
- No lactose
- No preservatives
Active Ingredient: Suntheanine (L-Theanine).
Other Ingredients: Gelatin, dicalcium phosphate, stearic acid, magnesium stearate.
Take 1 capsule after breakfast, lunch, and dinner (if needed). Do not take late in the evening. Or use as directed by your healthcare professional.
Background Information:
L-theanine, a unique and naturally-occurring amino acid found almost solely in green tea plants, is both expensive and time-consuming to extract. Since just 1-2% of this ingredient is present in tea leaves, it’s impossible to yield 100% purity in the process.
However, in more than 45 different studies, Suntheanine—which is structurally identical to the L-theanine found in tea leaves—has been found to reduce stress and anxiety, promote relaxation, and improve learning and concentration*.
Suntheanine was also found to diminish normal symptoms associated with Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS). One study found that 200 mg of Suntheanine per day significantly reduced physical, mental, and social symptoms of PMS including insomnia, muscle stiffness, cramps, depression, anxiety, and irritability*.
Suntheanine can also counteract the negative side effects of caffeine and ephedrine. After injecting mice with Suntheanine, results showed that convulsions induced by high doses of caffeine were notably diminished. Suntheanine has also been found to reduce hypertension and limit sleep disturbances*.
L-Theanine by Suntheanine contains 100% Suntheanine. As the only pure form of L-theanine on the market with no known side effects or drug interactions, L-Theanine by Suntheanine gives you a safer alternative for reducing stress and feeling better*.
Learn more about the neurological system.
Related Information:
- L-theanine—A Unique Amino Acid of Green Tea and its Relaxation Effect in Humans
- Influence of Alkylamides of Glutanic Acid and Related Compunds on the Central Nervous System—Central Depressant Effect of Theanine
- Pharmacological Effect of Theanine
- Human T-Cells Recognize Alkylamines Derived from Microbes, Edible Plants, and Tea: Implications for Innate Immunity
- Effect of Suntheanine™ on the Symptoms of Premenstrual Syndrome
- Anti-obesity Effects of Three Major Components of Green Tea, Catechins, Caffeine and Theanine, in Mice
Susie, I've been studying ADHD for more than five decades. I don't need no stinkin' medical degree and my doctor will confirm that.
why don't you list for us, the sites you frequent? i wouldn't be surprised to find you on various pharm. boards.
this is a public forum, none of the info. you listed requires a "degree" to figure out -quit dangling yours. we are not impressed.
at least my agenda is clear. i want to hear about alternatives that others find helpful. you are getting in the way by running people off. why?
Bad spellers of the world untie !!!!!!!!!!!
Bad spellers of the world untie !!!!!!!!!!!
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Yip! Lets here it four pour speling!
EXACTLY my point as well!
i am
not impressed with grammar/spelling. one can get a message across
quite easily without them. imac's message is loud and
clear! almost all posting by newbie's wishing to share their
experience with something that has worked (that is not necessarily
meds) has been met with the same rudeness. joemom,
Imac, you're out of line. We come here to get info as well as to share it. The only credentials I have are as a parent of an ADD kid. I'm not an expert on anything and I probably mispell things occasionally. The one glaring difference between any troll that's been on this site and this father is that none of the trolls has ever talked about his or her own experience with ADD/ADHD. Now that you've alienated a newbie, aren't you just as bad as a troll? I think an apology is in order. JMHO
[QUOTE=IMac]kppy, kppy3, Kelly, Kelly Pollack, poster on an infinite number of anit-med or alternate med. boards. [/QUOTE]
So? There's a problem with this? Kppy has the right to belong to as many boards as she wants, and she has a right to be into alternatives exclusively. Kppy has been a member of this forum for a long time, and we all trust her.
Do you think that this type of rudeness would happen if people were face to face?
I doubt it
maybe only once. but yes i agree, it would rarely happen. it seems that people who attack others on these message boards are actually cowards and would seldom behave this way in a face to face exchange. annominity creates boldness for many. thanks lillian, i appreciate the support!
i'm about done with this tho. sorry to have continued in a fruitless debate on imac's poor manners. i have enjoyed this board so much and have found the information given (in mostly the alts board) to be extremely helpful. i am so encouraged to hear what works for people! i am equally upset when i read posts that purposely try to run people off. really upsetting!
from what i can tell, there are alot of people here who are tired of it too. maybe someone else can take up the cause for a bit? or maybe not. it seems we too should have a say about some of the posters who are creating problems. not just trolls either...
I don't think we'd even have this kind of candid talk in real life!
I also want to say: Hokt on fonix werkt 4 mee.
I know it is hard to purposely write incorrectly but I sure can write incorrectly when it is not on purpose! Hey, maybe I was writing correctly when I though I was writing wrongly because I don't know the "writely" (hee,hee) way to do it and only thought I was writing wrongly. ROTFLOL!!! I don't think we'd even have this kind of candid talk in real life!
I also want to say: Hokt on fonix werkt 4 mee.
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Wow, u spall goud PSM!!! Avary bodie has gaut goud schoolin' but me.
All I know is I want to learn everything I can to help my niece and my grand nephew. I want the good, the bad and the ugly. If someone has had a terrible experience with Omega's, I want to hear it. If someone thinks a source is not reputable, I want to hear it. If someone has a bad experience with medication I want to hear it. However, I want to hear it from people I trust or people with open minds who don't just flat out reject every way but their way. (hence, the Trolls) And to tell you the truth, I have learned a lot from "hot" debates because it forced me to double check what someone said by doing my own research.So if someone wants more information to back up what someone is saying, there is nothing wrong with that.
Rudeness, however isn't right and I am guilty of that in some instances but they are still here so at least I didn't run them off. (You know who you are..) But I also think there are some who are rude to those who admit they are skeptical. There is nothing wrong with skeptisism. There is nothing wrong with asking tough questions and maybe questions with a negative spin on them.
Bottom line, If you are going to preach something you need to be able to back it up and be ready for nay-sayers. If ya can't take the heat, why did ya start the fire? (My own spin on the phrase, hee hee.)
Personally, I put a lot of weight on who I listen to. If you have a closed mind, I'm not impressed. If I learn you did extensive research or have much experience my ears perk up. I have a many hero's on this ADHDNews forum and I think you all know who you are as well!
Ok, it's too hard to type that way...lol. If somebody posts here with an agenda or proclaiming cures for disorders, I just warn the lurkers that the person is wrong because nobody knows the cures or causes of any of these disorders right now. Pet peeve of mine: Pretend you know what all the great minds of medicine dont' even know!!! Hey, you wouldn't be posting HERE if you knew. You'd be busy and very, very rich Do you think Imac is related to Doctor Q?
(Sorry, I know I'm off-topic)
i haven't been around long enough or paid enough attention to who some of the members are susieb! but, you've peaked my interest!! I am willing to try it if what I am giving now doesn't work out. It may work only on certain people, but who knows til you try. I have heard good things about it before also. i too am considering trying the l-theanine...kevin,
if we haven't scared you off yet, i have a couple questions about your experience with l-theanine. you mentioned the teacher said your son was "emotionally immature" (i believe that's what you wrote
)
can you tell me about that? my 9 yr old son is what i consider
emotionally immature. he's kinda needy, requires a fair amount of
support when doing his work (i homeschool) wants alot of attention and
just seems unable to deal with how he feels. my 7 yr old
handles things better than his brother does. just curious if
l-theanine is something that will help with this.did i miss the part that says how much you give daily?
thanks for the info. and i hope you return!
kppy
[QUOTE=stepmom2maddy]Again, the alternative section is the appropriate place for this. And for the record, I think there are many options for parents with regards to treatments. [/QUOTE]
Where have I been? I didn't even know all this was going on. Since when can't someone post about alternatives on the Parents board. This is the rudest thing I have seen. If meds can be posted there then so can alternatives. i say if you can't be play nice go somewhere else and if i don't want to puncktuate, spell write, or not capitalize i wont
Edited to add: What are you so scared of???
Are you done lecturing tonight, or should I set the record button?
I am done defending myself for the night. Everyone makes assumptions. I am sure you have some of me, as I do of you. I never said that I didn't agree with him--just that the info would be better received in the alternatives section. I will remain skepticle of people that have little credibility. So please save the lecture.
[/QUOTE]oooooh look who can't take it
Everyone is so hyped on finding trolls and accusing newbies of being them, but certain posters seem to go out of their way to find things to fire accusations about. (I am not referring to you Stepmom).
I wonder why certain people can't seem to give a newbie a chance to express an opinion or mention something that worked for them without screaming out accusations.
I think that there are trolls who come to these sites to inflame others and do so by stirring up trouble between the members, not by claiming that meds are death darts. Could a certain poster who seems to find trolls under nearly every newbie post be a 
himself?
[QUOTE=INaBOX]I think we should just let it go and continue on with the initial post about L-Theanine.[/QUOTE]
Good idea.
BTW, I have seen L-theanine suggested many times by naturopaths who address ADHD on their programs on tv. What works for some doesn't work for everyone, but someone may read about it helping Kevin's son and try it, only to find it works for them as well.
Well I'm thinking of trying it out. What the heck right? If it doesn't work - it doesn't work. I am a bit concerned over some of the ingredients that product listed. My son is very sensitive to a lot of stuff. I wouldn't want this to backfire on us.Oh, Auntie! You a funny ladie!!!!
an
oldy-but-goody. this'll help you to be a better mis-speller
auntie! enjoy! editted to add: i did not write
this! got it off the "net
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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Or rather...
According to a researcher (sic) at Cambridge University, it doesn't matter in what order the letters in a word are, the only important thing is that the first and last letter be at the right place. The rest can be a total mess and you can still read it without problem. This is because the human mind does not read every letter by itself but the word as a whole.
This text circulated
on the internet in September 2003. I first became aware of it when a journalist
contacted a my colleague Sian Miller on 16th September, trying to track down
the original source. It's been passed on many times, and in the way of most
internet memes has mutated along the way. It struck me as interesting - especially
when I received a version that mentioned Cambridge University! I work at Cognition
and Brain Sciences Unit, in Cambridge, UK, a Medical
Research Council unit that includes a large group investigating how the
brain processes language. If there's a new piece of research on reading that's
been conducted in Cambridge, I thought I should have heard of it before...
I've written this page, to try to explain the science behind this meme. There
are elements of truth in this, but also some things which scientists studying
the psychology of language (psycholinguists) know to be incorrect. I'm going
to break down the meme, one line at a time to illustrate these points, pointing
out what
I think is the relevant research on the role of letter order on reading. Again,
this is only my view of the current state of reading research, as it relates
to this meme. If you think I've missed something important, let me know.
The truth is I don't have a problem with this father. If he and his wife were dead set against medicating then they would have no reason to know how to spell any of the ADHD medications. And I misspell all the time as you are about to see. But I do capitalize but that doesn't mean anything as far as I'm concerned.
But I am always suspicious of anyone promoting a product. I am suspicious when this person didn't come to this board prior to using this product to ask if anyone has ever used it. I am suspicious if they are brand new to the board and they post about a wonder product or an article against medication or a book that solves everything. I am suspicious when they point to one web site to get the product. I'm suspicious when they use "drug" instead of "medication or medicate". I could go on and on but I prefer not to give tips to Trolls on how to be sneaky.
[QUOTE=IMac]
When I call you on symptoms of ADHD, it's because you don't seem to know much about it and you seem to want to know; at least that's the impression you make. You claim to work with kids with Autism, but seem to be weak on just what the real symptoms, behaviour, diagnosis is. Things aren't adding up.
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Explain where you're coming from please.
[QUOTE=INaBOX]
Suntheanine can also counteract the negative side effects of caffeine and ephedrine. After injecting mice with Suntheanine, results showed that convulsions induced by high doses of caffeine were notably diminished.
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I want to know why mice convulse from high levels of caffeine.
Bottom line? You don't know very much about ADHD, Autism or Asperger Syndrome.
You don't know much about the public school system in your Province of residence, but you work in a school.
You know even less about allergies and behaviour symptoms related to allergies.
You know nothing about Stimulant medication.
You can't keep your facts straight.
LOL well you quoted me but I sure did write that .. good point though!
[QUOTE=IMac] [QUOTE=INaBOX]Explain where you're coming from please.[/QUOTE]
Bottom line? You don't know very much about ADHD, Autism or Asperger Syndrome.
You don't know much about the public school system in your Province of residence, but you work in a school.
You know even less about allergies and behaviour symptoms related to allergies.
You know nothing about Stimulant medication.
You can't keep your facts straight.
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I think you're making a lot of accusations out of nothing. I don't claim to know everything about ADHD which is why I'm here. I'm not sure why you're being so rude tonight? I can't recall anything I've said to make you think I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe you've misunderstood my point?
I know very little about Stimulant medication - you're right. Allergies, I've never even touched the subject besides differentiating it from food sensitivities. With that, I've only spoken through my own personal experiences. Don't know what else to tell you. I know very little on Aspergers. None of the students I work with has it. I remember touching the surface of AS but not enough to teach it. Your point?
As for the school system, I'm not sure where you're coming from with that. What I do know is that you were kind enough to pass me information over something I was already aware of yet. Maybe I didn't make myself clear - doesn't make me uneducated. If you're confused in anything I'm saying, ask me.
[QUOTE=lillian][QUOTE=INaBOX]
Suntheanine can also counteract the negative side effects of caffeine and ephedrine. After injecting mice with Suntheanine, results showed that convulsions induced by high doses of caffeine were notably diminished.
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I want to know why mice convulse from high levels of caffeine.
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I was wondering why my coffee was disappearing so fast!!!! I make a pot and come down for a 2nd cup and it's nearly gone! My poor mice are probably convulsing from it!
Sorry, I'm not making fun of the post this father posted...just Lillian's sense of humor/confusion.
I'm one who doesn't believe alternatives work alone, although I'm on many supplements (I just bought Folic Acid and Omega 3 to add to my list of supplements). I do have a question. Is this alternative the one that was banned in Australia? Alternatives have side effects too, and you should always check with some sort of knowledgeable (probably spelled wrong) professional before giving your child anything. I was very surprised to learn that Black Cohosh can be dangerous if taken for too long, and too much Vitamin E can cause heart problems, etc. It's not so different from manufactured drugs. Never let the fact that is "natural" make you feel it is "safe" or at no risk. Always check before giving, espeically a child, ANYTHING. Even Melatonin can cause problems if given for too long (this surprised me, but I did check my son's pediatrician first and was given the scoop). Now I use it more sparingly. Always, always, always check with an MD before putting anything into your child's system. I even check on the supplements for myself, and I take them as the doctors tell me, not the labels. OK, time for me to swallow my ten supplements...lol. (I'm serious too!) HOwever, I have bipolar and would never think supplements alone can handle this serious disorder. Have a nice day all!Leni, this isn't about spelling, it's about ignorance. Kevin is a perfectly good speller so why did he spell Rit- a - lin with only two syllables? Because he doesn't know anything about the drug. I even question if he has a child that he put on a drug he knew nothing about. People who want to share good news with other people don't need to spread lies or make up stories about natural or man-made chemicals. If products are credible, they will stand the test. I push the truth, not chemicals; natural or otherwise.Are you done lecturing tonight, or should I set the record button?
I am done defending myself for the night. Everyone makes assumptions. I am sure you have some of me, as I do of you. I never said that I didn't agree with him--just that the info would be better received in the alternatives section. I will remain skepticle of people that have little credibility. So please save the lecture.
When I call you on symptoms of ADHD, it's because you don't seem to know much about it and you seem to want to know; at least that's the impression you make. You claim to work with kids with Autism, but seem to be weak on just what the real symptoms, behaviour, diagnosis is. Things aren't adding up.
So I went out and bought L-Theanine today and tried it out. It'll be a few days before I'll notice any differences .. if I will. I'll let you know. I hope it works because my son may very well be losing his support soon. He needs all the help he can get at this point. He had a wonderful week - even during school seatwork time. I'm thinking the new oils I've had him on is working? Hard to tell just yet. He's been on it since Christmas.I've somewhat read the thread - not really though. I've been adding a few drops in the entire rice cooker. I'd say about 2-3 tablespoons maybe? He doesn't eat the entire cooker full of rice so I'm guessing he's getting what he's needing. Is there such thing as giving too much?Oops, sorry - too bad about the second grade scenario. Did you end up telling the speech path what happened? Does it even relate to why he was held back? What was the reason?yay for the "good week"! the new oils, are they omega 3s?
we started l-theanine yesterday. unfortunately, i forgot today! gonna have to write it down as he's on a few things at the moment. what mg. do you give him?
why is he potentially going to lose support?
He's going to lose support because he doesn't have enough of a designation to keep one. He was given one on loan until his assessment was finalized but from what his psychologist is saying, he's likely going to lose it. I expected that anyhow.
I've been giving him Omega 3. The bottle suggests to give half a teaspoon but I've been giving him a little more.
L-Theanine, I gave him one capsule of 150mg. I'm sure 200 is just as fine for your child kppy.
my son "barely qualified" for speech/lang services (according to the speech/lang path.) so he was discharged after a year with the discharge evals saying "he met or exceeded all goals". well, that same year he was retained in 2nd grade. yeah, he sure met their goals, but still managed to fail in his grade.
have you read the omega thread in the alt. section? what's the daily mg you're giving?
my l-theanine is 200mg per capsule.
inabox,
sorry for the delay in response. we had a tough couple days around here....
i posted in the alt. section under l-theanine about what happened.
about omega-3, the short version- 480 mg dha minimum daily and higher for the epa is what is considered the "therapeutic dose". some give higher. my 67 pound son gets about 500mg daily (4 large softgels!) dha and ? epa. (higher but i can't remeber the number). my son has NO problems swallowing pills- we are very fortunate, i know!
the speech path moved! and was replaced by someone i plan to contact soon as i want a re eval for potential CAPD.
i gotta think that ALL his abilities relate to why he "failed" 2nd grade, ya know. these are not separate skills. how can one be considered a success in his tailored program yet fail the grade? as to why he was discharged from services? the almighty dollar, i believe.
i'd prefer to post in the alts section. i know there is a thread there already on l-theanine. i'll either start a new thread for all of us trying l-theanine or tag onto the exsisting one.
kppy
Start a new one .. call it something like Experimenting with L-Theanine. I'll post my results there too. I read about your situation in the alt. I relate too. See ya there.
:)
ps: sorry about the school situation.
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