keep me in check by calling bullsh*t on m | ADHD Information

Ok first - David - you had better cheer the hell up or I'll trace your IP and send some big guys in white shirts to give you happy thoughts whether you like it or not!! LOL!!

Ray - we all mess up. Hell I could write volumes on failure to keep it all working. Home, work, love - it all got fuzzled.

Don't get discouraged. As long as there is a pulse you can move on, shrug your shoulders and try again.

Now that I remember my mistakes I'm not doomed to repeat them. Yet sometimes I do. Life's a beach.

We've got a pulse, Jim!

He's not dead, Jim!

He's ADHD, Jim!

Jim!

Admitting failure sounds like a good thing for a second post. I have become very good at doing it gracefully... well except for that time last week and, well ok, that thing yesterday too. What you need is a good dose of my f*ck up song:

Why don't you just give up

and admit that you're an a**hole

you would be in some good company

and I think you'd find

that your friends would forgive you

or maybe I am just speaking for me

"As Is" by Ani Difranco

I am the biggest jerkidiot sometimes, but at least I care.

Reisa, whogaveuptryingtomakehersig work

Somehow Reisa, I don't find your F-up song really uplifting. But, if it works for you, who am I to argue? I need to search for my own F-up song then, don't I.

I think Ray Ray sings his F-up song in the shower.

I don't know why I find that uplifting. I guess it just helps me remember that messing up and being a jerk is not the worst thing in the universe and that I don't deserve to be treated like I am a terrible person just because I make mistakes. This song somehow drowns out my inner voice that thinks I should be taken out back and shot. :)

Reisa

We all fuzked up, Ray Ray. And I venture to say we all feel like that too when we do. Sorry you had a bad day. Hey, bullpucky on you...

I've never failed.

It's the expectations of others around me that fail.

Just don't raise yours very high.

Oh rayray! We all screw up! You are not alone in that, I assure you! I can't think of one person here who has not admitted to failing. Well, maybe bogus, but would you want to be like him?

keep me in check by calling bullsh*t on me if I fail. ---glenw

thats how i feel when i fuZk up!!

rayray81238735.5565162037a double enchalada

Fryed opens his fridgerator........stands there.....glancing, peeking, staring......thinks, "What'd I open this for?"....closes it.

Thinking and concentrates really hard on what to do next....turn around?...did I go to the bathroom already?....Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Goes to bedroom....sees bed all ruffed......daylight out he window (through mini- blinds and curtains.....Did I sleep yet?.....Hmmmmmmmmmm

This is getting old...I think I definitely forgot my Metadate...., "Hey, Honey?-Did I take......" & nbsp; Welcome Reisa......we all have it!

And... so goes the Davidornado's of our Lives...

Tune in next week to see if we'll ever make total sense of his postings.

Will he post a fully logical and concisely worded thread? Will he trim his "Cheech" mustache?

Check in to see if we can answer these and other ADHD related questions folks!

d'o's post up there with the reference to bones mccoy reminded me of a funny little thing.

remember when shatner's wife was found in the pool dead? the guy on the radio was saying (in a mockoy voice) "i'm a doctor jim, not a lifeguard!"

*Ack!

Will we ever see him without glasses?

What kolor arggggh his I's?

Whay doth I

Bleed?
What happened to Shakespeare, btw?

Answer: he died.

Been there, done that.

Hey, everyone!

Reisa's ADHD!

*Hides the Adderall behind her back and looks around innocently* Me?

Um, you must have mistaken me for someone else, but welcome to my universe anyway. Would you like something to drink? *Opens the fridge, discovers her car keys next to the diet coke, closes the door quickly and stands in front of it, trying to look casual* Er, how about some hot tea?

LOL

Glad to meet ya!

Reisa

Hey Reisa,

Me das risa.

Heheheh.

David'0

[QUOTE=repairman][QUOTE=sachetm]

The trick is tact(trust,acceptance,consideration,talk)

I'd like to hear more about you see this "operationalized," if you would. Could you create some examples of what you see as "tact" as opposed to "non-tact?" (Would the opposite be rudeness or something else?)

beautiful minds don't always come with beautiful brains, but they always have heart!

I REALLY like this thought! You should add it to your sig or something. It's definitely a keeper, IMO!

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[QUOTE=oldtimer]Mess up should be my first name. Others don't like my directness. They also don't seem to like how I think education should be either. Since I don't always agree with others that makes me a troll also. There words not mine. [/QUOTE]

I'm an educator and interested in hearing your views. (I'm writing a paper on educational philosophy. Without hearing what you have to say, sense that you might be interested in a really interesting context: http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/short/texts.html) The first two paragraphs give the jist of it if longer text is a hassle for you.

[QUOTE=Davidornado] I am so sorry.
I am so not confused.
I am so thoroughly enjoying this.

Why?
B/c maybe I can.
Understand?
or
Enjoy?
Both.

P.S. I don't talk to my elf, do I?
No, you talk for the edification of others.
Heheheh...

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Ha. ha--I get this! Maybe if you've got those "nigglies" about someone, you need a way to clear them out so they don't filter out good stuff and fog up your visision. You think?

Constructive, positively-motivated confrontation can be very helpful! (I wonder why so many people seem so scared of it? All those sensitivity groups can't have been wrong--especially when people emerged from them so much "lighter!")

[QUOTE=Reisa]

The title of this post can be read two different ways:

keep me in check by calling bullsh*t on me - as in I am really ticked off and venting

keep me in check by calling bullsh*t on me - as in I am asking someone to point out my BS so I can learn something

How would someone know? A literal reading (without second-guessing what someone REALLY means) would result in the 2nd interpretation, don't you think? Wouldn't it be disrespectful to assume someone didn't say what they really menat--well, unless you know the person really well and can read their "subtext" (what they mean vs. what they say)?

I don't see myself as very gifted at getting subtext unless I know the person really well (e.g., Mom who rarely says what she really means!) I figure people should mean what they say to save others from having to guess at it. Maybe that makes me really "emotionally unintelligent!"

Personally, I think the people who do really well in business aren't those who do their jobs well but those who can read other people's subtext well. You think?

Getting Dave and Rayray confused was just plain funny, at least in my universe.

I'm glad it was something positive for you. And I mean that! (Not only not good at reading subtext but also not good at communicating with it. Too much work!

Don't worry - who was it who posted "open mouth change feet" We don't get permanently mad over that stuff if someone is not trying to be mean. Relax, we are a rough crowd - but not a judgmental one for the most part.

Thanks for the reassurance, Reisa. I wasn't particularly upset but was more curious. (I've seen similar reactions on other boards but also harder to get straight answers on them. I am one of those insatiably curious people and want to understand as much about people and the way they communicate and "tick" as possible. It's why I'm almost always in school. An opportunity to learn cool new stuff. Since I'm ADD, don't get so antsy with it as an ADHDer might. I can sit still and read for hours.

Do you think, Reisa, that judgmentalism might be the opposite of being accepting rather than avoiding (constructive, of course) confrontation?

Will admit, though, that I'd really like David to IM me and (confidentially, of course. I really am very good at holding confidences) whether he and RayRay are or are not the same person. Want to know from the horse's mouth if my perception was off or not. If it was off, I'll need to watch those old ASS U MEs!

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took off for a weeknd...

now i hear im dave???

wtf he s crazy!!!!!

rayray81238747.9654050926[QUOTE=sachetm]

You asked, you got it! I wasn't going to say anything before then but now that you've opened the door...

First, I'm assuming that RayRay and Davidornado are the same poster. In fact, I suspect many other usernames are actually Davidornado. If not, then you may want to skip the rest. If so, please read on.

I have to tell you that I often find your posts very annoying. When you're not starting posts which come across as bids for attention rather than a genuine issue or concern, you seem to be hijacking threads other people start in an effort to pull attention to yourself. This feels to me like a manipulation, which I do not like.

Instead, if you've got something on your mind, I'd much rather you spit it out--honestly. When I perceive that you're not doing that, I just get more annoyed. Plus, I'm sure you have more helpful things to say to others with concerns as you're clearly quite bright.

I will add that I've never noticed anything I'd classify as "mean-spirited" coming from you, though--just an obsessive need for attention. That sounds like a co-morbidity of some sort to me, although I couldn't rightly speculate on what kind. Just a gut-level feeling there. It would NOT be Narcissism, because Narcissists are typically non-empathic, which doesn't seem to fit you at all. It's not that you don't seem to care about others--only that you seem driven on a quest for attention.

I really don't mean to hurt your feelings. It's just that I suspect many others feel similarly but in order to be supportive and sympathetic, no one has called you on it. Since you asked, I am--in the spirit of supporting your growth as a fellow human being and AD(H)Der. Avoiding honest feedback, ultimately, doesn't do a thing for either person. I hope you take this feedack in the positive spirit in which it is intended.

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excuse me did you post something??

Not me, I thrive on ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING... FEED ME..

You asked, you got it! I wasn't going to say anything before then but now that you've opened the door...

Do the words "Attention Deficit" ring a bell? Most of us in here have it, and unfortunately, most of us thrive on attention.
Quite a few folks in here are the closest friends David has to claim....he just lost his wife n' kids to a divorce... I believe David's a grand fellow- I hope you can grant a bit of support, as this is the main purpose of this site.

-Larry-

sachetm - davidornado and rayray certainly aren't the same person!! Very different styles and I've received messages often from ray and watched David's very unique style for a while.

Yes David craves attention - so do we all in our own way or many would never have shown up here! Ray has a somewhat direct and sometimes untactful way of putting things but is very passionate and I admire that. I correct him when he strays far but wish him to perservere as it must help him on his life's journey.

David is a creative soul and though I never understand one word he says I feel bad for his loss as I do my own and just hope for the day he looks inward deep enough to get past it. Right now he's bitter and sad as I was for many years.

As said by Larry - a little slack may be in order. And look back by doing a search and you'll see who is duplicating and who is truly unique. Your radar is broken here - but keep trying as it can be a good brain workout.

yes, rayray and davido are definitely not one and the same. davido does sneak in with some aliases though.

i was once convinced that davido and annidagostini were the same. but anni has made so many posts now, i feel embarrassed admitting i ever considered such a ludicrous idea.

that is all.

Glad you didn't take offense, David. I truly didn't intend any. I just see people (in general) tipytoeing around and avoiding honest feedback--even when it's requested.

Personally, I've always found sincere, positively-intended feedback to be very useful. Too hard to see ourselves as others do. We may not have the least desire to change, but at least we've got the advantage of the feedback.

Only you know for sure if you and RayRay are the same person (and if you're not, then him, too). As I said, I assumed (and you know where that can lead ;-) you were.

Sorry to hear about your personal situation. Loss is tough.

[QUOTE=rayray812]

took off for a weeknd...

now i hear im dave???

wtf he s crazy!!!!!

[/QUOTE] Isn't that what everyone else wants us to believe? I have a split personality. It sits on my shoulders. Maybe its 'cracked', but it's better than being 'normal'. Or is that just another double en'tendre?

I'm sure Dave will get the joke!

repairman38748.2396412037Mess up should be my first name. Others don't like my directness. They also don't seem to like how I think education should be either. Since I don't always agree with others that makes me a troll also. There words not mine.

Was the problem in my assuming Davidornado and RayRay were the same poster (although I did caveat that I might be wrong about that), or was it the fact that I provided negative feedback at all (even though RayRay asked for it)? Just to quote a song" I beg your pardon, I never promised you a rose garden".You did just what ray asked, no one else asked you to and you were kind enough to reply in kind with your opinion. It's yours, now it belongs to everyone whether they like it or not!! But you were only trying to do a friend a favor that wass asked for.

How do people grow if they ask for feedback and only get positives? I really don't know who said it but it makes sense " know thyself"! Are people that hypersenstive that they can't deal with honest, well-meaning feedback even if it isn't all positive? Yes , some are, others ask for advice !!Are we afraid of negative repercussions if we provide other than positive feedback? ALWAYS, but you give mixed results. Il iked the way that was done, BUT,,,

For the record, I do your point, David, about thinking outside the box, but that requires a shift that people aren't always up to. True, people inside the 'box' only see walls, we have to lift them out!In my case, my cancer treatment makes me much more tired than normal--especially in the evening. My sympathies, we would have about 0 BILLION TO SPEND on cancer research if we were'nt fighting terrorist!! I just end up confused and frustrated when I'm required to do it. Say what? Huh? Too taxing for a wearied brain, although I do take your point. (Know several educators who routinely use these types of techniques to keep students on their toes. Dave would be one of the best! But then that's also a pre-agreed on learning environment.)

Specifically to David: Plan on writing (at some point) a (scholarly--since I'm in school) paper on the natural inclination of the brain to seek efficiency and maximize energy. Assuming that's of any interest to you. Sort of fits with this discussion so thought it might interest you.

[/QUOTE] Don't know about Dave, but I've been trying to half my life!

AAARRRRRGGHH!!!I tried to answer satchem, took longer than 30 min. and got ERASED!!!. I feel like"AArnoold" now.

I'll try to give my 'opinion ' shortly, cause i typed too looong.

[QUOTE=sachetm]

Don't mean to be a wet blanket smothering all the "doubles" going on here, but seems to me that this fits in nicely with the "directness" vs. "tact" thread. Dave said he didn't take offense.Because there was no malitious intent, no harm , no foul! Trust me, If Dave was offended, you would know. As for others on the board, many are protective of our denizens of the board( thanks). Not sure what RayRay's response was (too tired to try to decipher it). But clear a lot of people saw my feedback as "inappropriate." Your feedback was for RayRay, and an honest opinion, whether others considered it appropriate or not, and was asked for, not forced upon.As far as confusing DAve and rayray, they both have ADHD, as many on the board do.

My question is where's the line between being direct and being tactful? On this board,,, be yourself first! You can apologise IF you make a mistake!! It's expected if you're human. From all my experience (and training via sensitivity groups, etc.), the trick in providing honest feedback is through owning one's own perceptions and feelings rather than issuing judgmentsThe trick is tact(trust,acceptance,consideration,talk) (e.g. "It makes me feel..." as opposed to "It is...") I tried to do that but folks didn't seem to get the difference." Their loss, beautiful minds don't always come with beautiful brains, but they always have heart!

[QUOTE=Reisa][QUOTE=sachetm]

You asked, you got it! I wasn't going to say anything before then but now that you've opened the door...

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Ohhhhh! *Reisa gets a clue after rereading the thread twice.

Original post title went through the ADHD processor and came out with a different connotation. Great job calling BS if you had been correct. *grin

It is rare that an ADHDer can "blend in" anywhere - but this is the place! I mean where else can you get Dave and rayray confused? Welcome aboard!

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I'm confused?
How did you get me confused?
I still feel the same...
I still think the same...
Hey, I'm not foncused. Rayray is...
[QUOTE=sachetm]

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Bees are lazy.
They fly down a row, rather than across it.

Water runs down hill.

Not all the water on earth 100 years ago is still here.
[QUOTE=seeker63]

yes, rayray and davido are definitely not one and the same.

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Says who?

Hey rayray!!!

I'm not ray!

Here's the proof.

[QUOTE=Fryed2aCrisp]Do the words "Attention Deficit" ring a bell? Most of us in here have it, and unfortunately, most of us thrive on attention.
Quite a few folks in here are the closest friends David has to claim....he just lost his wife n' kids to a divorce... I believe David's a grand fellow- I hope you can grant a bit of support, as this is the main purpose of this site.

-Larry-
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Gee, thanks, Fryed!
I thought the main purpose of this site was to
Have Fun.
Oh, darn.

[QUOTE=sachetm]

I have to tell you that I often find your posts very annoying. A lot of people do, but I won't applologize. For most of my posts. I've usually a point to make, and I prefer to not make them clearly. Why should I do your thinking for you? You'll just forget in seconds and move on to the next distraction. This way, if you have to figure it out, then maybe you'll retain the point for as long as the point is pointed. When you're not starting posts which come across as bids for attention rather than a genuine issue or concern, genuine in who's definitioin? I'm genuine in mine. other's seem pretty normalized to me. you seem to be hijacking threads other people start in an effort to pull attention to yourself. define hijacking. insertion of humor isn't hijacking. the thread's author can always drag it back to it's topic, eh? This feels to me like a manipulation, which I do not like. who does?

Instead, if you've got something on your mind, I'd not I'd much rather you spit it out--honestly. When I perceive that you're not doing that, I just get more annoyed. Plus, I'm sure you have more helpful things to say to others think outside your boxes with concerns as you're clearly quite bright. thanks.

I really don't mean to hurt your feelings. You didn't. Thanks, your sensitive, too. It's just that I suspect many others feel similarly but in order to be supportive and sympathetic, no one has called you on it. Oh, they have. Believe me, they have. Since you asked, I am--in the spirit of supporting your growth as a fellow human being and AD(H)Der. Avoiding honest feedback do you percieve dishonest feedback? I don't. Different, yes., ultimately, doesn't do a thing for either person. I hope you take this feedack in the positive spirit in which it is intended. I do. Does that mean we're married, now?

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yes, rayray and davido are definitely not one and the same. davido does sneak in with some aliases though.

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K
I
fess

Davidornado
Davidornadog
Davidornadoclov
Davd0rnado
ANTIADHDisBADD
ADHDisn'tBOGUS

That is all.

Now ask me why.

[QUOTE=seeker63]

i was once convinced that davido and annidagostini were the same.

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I consider that an honor.

She is amazing.

[QUOTE=seeker63]

i feel embarrassed admitting i ever considered such a ludicrous idea.

that is all.

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HEY! I wanna consider some ludicrous ideas.

Can you help me?
Hey, sounds like another day at

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I am so sorry.
I am so not confused.
I am so thoroughly enjoying this.

Why?
B/c maybe I can.
Understand?
or
Enjoy?
Both.

P.S. I don't talk to my elf, do I?
No, you talk for the edification of others.
Heheheh...

"Was the problem in my assuming Davidornado and RayRay were the same poster (although I did caveat that I might be wrong about that), or was it the fact that I provided negative feedback at all (even though RayRay asked for it)?"

I don't know, I am so confused - I read through again trying to figure it out. I am still confused. I wouldn't worry about people being mad at you at this point. Whatever it was appears to have been resolved, maybe? If somebody is still ticked off, please start a new thread and be a bit more clear. LOL

The title of this post can be read two different ways:

keep me in check by calling bullsh*t on me - as in I am really ticked off and venting

keep me in check by calling bullsh*t on me - as in I am asking someone to point out my BS so I can learn something

Getting Dave and Rayray confused was just plain funny, at least in my universe. Don't worry - who was it who posted "open mouth change feet" We don't get permanently mad over that stuff if someone is not trying to be mean. Relax, we are a rough crowd - but not a judgmental one for the most part.

Okay. I'll start. Once upon time there was an ADHDer Brain.
This ADHDer Brain looked upon Creation, and said, this is good.
He then decided to create more ADHDer Brains, just like his.
So he got to work.
Yay!!!

(He liked making babies).

My question is where's the line between being direct and being tactful? From all my experience (and training via sensitivity groups, etc.), the trick in providing honest feedback is through owning one's own perceptions and feelings rather than issuing judgments (e.g. "It makes me feel..." as opposed to "It is...") I tried to do that but folks didn't seem to get the difference.

How do people grow if they ask for feedback and only get positives? Are people that hypersenstive that they can't deal with honest, well-meaning feedback even if it isn't all positive? Are we afraid of negative repercussions if we provide other than positive feedback?

For the record, I do your point, David, about thinking outside the box, but that requires a shift that people aren't always up to. In my case, my cancer treatment makes me much more tired than normal--especially in the evening. I just end up confused and frustrated when I'm required to do it. Say what? Huh? Too taxing for a wearied brain, although I do take your point. (Know several educators who routinely use these types of techniques to keep students on their toes. But then that's also a pre-agreed on learning environment.)

[QUOTE=repairman][QUOTE=bugzappers]Hey, sounds like another day at

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[/QUOTE] Don't forget to touch that station! Tune into Another Day of Hilarious Disasters

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Danger:
Do try this at home.

[QUOTE=bugzappers]Hey, sounds like another day at

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[/QUOTE] Don't forget to touch that station! Tune into Another Day of Hilarious Disasters

wow i still think people think your me dave, thats a big compliment for you

wow i still think people think you're me ray, thats a big compliment for you

OMG!...I'm ray!

[QUOTE=sachetm]

You asked, you got it! I wasn't going to say anything before then but now that you've opened the door...

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Ohhhhh! *Reisa gets a clue after rereading the thread twice.

Original post title went through the ADHD processor and came out with a different connotation. Great job calling BS if you had been correct. *grin

It is rare that an ADHDer can "blend in" anywhere - but this is the place! I mean where else can you get Dave and rayray confused? Welcome aboard!

Hey Satch,

Okay. I am not Rayray.

I am not ray, either.

Here's my phone # (559) 477-3732.

I don't IM well.

I don't PM well.

I don't PMS well, either.

I prefer non-phobic Hispanic or Celtic females.

Btw, "I yam who I yam", to quote Popeye (1980)

And you get this much outta my respect for your age.

You, sually, I like to strain your brain. I'm like fiber for your floaties.

And most people don't believe I'd post my real phone #. Want my earth coordinates?

Who cares? I can defend my own. I own "guns, lots of guns" [The Matrix 1998]. And a cowboy hat or two.

Not to mention it's all about me, anyway.

So why haven't you IM'd me?

I have only blocked joe2u.

Got tired of her bitchiness.

I am not afraid.

I'm on a lion hunt.

Catch me, if you can.

I do not hide from Anyone.

In my universe:

Judging=angry/insecure

Accepting=caring/secure

Avoiding=fear/insecure

confronting=angry/secure (constructive confrontation has an element of caring)

As far as the subtext of this thread goes - who knows! The thread started out with some reassurances for rayray, then meandered around several other topics, finally landing on yours, at which point it has continued to drift aimlessly in entertaining directions. *shrug*