Ritalin and Methadone | ADHD Information
Anyone here know of any reasons why ritalin and methadone can't be prescribed together????.IMac38947.4541087963.IMac38947.4543518519 [QUOTE=IMac]"Had 20mgs of aropax 6hours ago, 20mgs of valium, 375micrograms of clonidine and 5mgs of methadone."
Are these drugs prescribed for ADHD?
What the living hell is wrong with you !!
What crawled up you ass to make you such a bitch ?
The only problem with this thread is you!!
Is this board prescribed for ADD .. get a life imac , just because you were naive and got burned by your own foolishness doesnt make it any more right that now you are swinging the other way and being a little hitler .. sheessh .. havent you learnt this in life yet .. you have to find balance lady its not about extreme this or extreme that you keep that up and you will never be happy and always be placing unrealistic expectations on other people .
I just think you should take a good long look at yourself and ask yourself if you like what you see ..
[QUOTE=IMac] [QUOTE=2tone] Where are they Imac??[/QUOTE]What type of drug discussions are you interested in?
[/QUOTE]
accurate legitimate substantial ones that are conducted by people with true hearts and clear minds
[QUOTE=IMac] [QUOTE=rangikahuta]
Felling real strung out at the moment..... St Johns is supposed to be a nerve calmer..... Anyone had any probs with the two together (aropax and st johns)?????
Had 20mgs of aropax 6hours ago, 20mgs of valium, 375micrograms of clonidine and 5mgs of methadone. I'm real anxious and agitated about an appointment on tuesday and it's just getting worse and worse. (all prescribed I might add)
So was contemplating adding this little black tablet of st johns wart to the picture urgently... anyone got 2c worth to add to that?
[/QUOTE]St johns is a weak type 2 mao inhibitor
this means it works on the secondary mechanism of the reabsorbtion of stuff . It is a firly broad puppy and i would be hesitant to use it in combination with for instancc the Aropax .
I had been prescribed the aropax before myself but didnt like it .. was yawning and twitching my leg all the time .. couldnt sleep could think but couldnt function right .. freaked me out actually so i told the dr to stuff it . That there dr then told me my sides were very unusual .. when i looked on the net i found they were the common ones .. thats why i question everything the doctor does and says because they only know what they know and i need to know everything i can .
I'd leave the st johns aside myself in favor of something else ,,but there you go . you might not have anything else . I know they say aropax shouldnt be used with MaO inhibitors and tho st johns is one its a weak one .
Me i'd look at getting some 5HTP (tryptophan) and or other natural pre-cursors of the general thing you want to feel .
for all my current Doctors best intent (and he is exceptional that way) i can still self medicate and gett a far better result . It freaks me out because its the one thing the doctor cannot really understand that i could get better releif from doing it my way .
If you would like to know more about what natural substance i do use on occassion please let me know and i tell more .
That Aropax tho .. it can be a real twister , a sick ride . I wonder whats going through there minds outlawing the safe natural Tryptophan and giving us the crappy nasty aropax .. get those little screwdrivers out of my brain i say ..
2tone38759.9027893519My daughter is not on any adhd meds, but has lost 85% of her pancreas and her spleen through surgical removal and her drug for pain is Methadone. Doctor said it's one of the safest and cheapest pain meds to be given long term (she will probably need it for life). I do not profess, however, to know anything about the combo of methadone and adhd drugs. Just voicing what I know re methadone.
I hear you IMAc but this is a Ritalin question as you should have noticed .. What do you think because i am prescribed pain killers and ritalin that im not allowed to be informed of potential dangers .. gimme a break already .
Methadone is a very very safe substance . Ritalin is a very very safe substance .
If there are clinical concerns regarding t co-dosing of both then i want to know about it . Going to your "Drug abuse " type websites to clarify these clinical legal is a bad and unfair suggestion .
The reason I ask about this is because I'm going to go on Methadone Maintenance as soon as their is a place for me.... The doctor at the clinic thinks I'm an add candidate but is not too keen on prescribing both methadone and ritalin... I've read both the information for consumers and health professionals and can't find anything that says ritalin and methadone should be avoided in combination and just wondered if anyone out there had any experience in this department.....
LOL
Imac, when I looked your username up all I could find were kiddie porn sites that you have been posting on, you should get some help and leave them kids alone.
All that quote you've given us tells us is that someone on prescription medications wanted advice on adding a well known OTC supplement to what they were being prescribed and wondered if anyone knew of any problems with it... Some crime! Who cares what is posted on some other forum? Just so long one conducts themselves in an acceptable fashion on THIS forum that is all anyone on THIS forum should be concerned with.
rangikahuta38759.8619560185 [QUOTE=IMac] [QUOTE=2tone]
I hear you IMAc but this is a Ritalin question as you should have noticed .. What do you think because i am prescribed pain killers and ritalin that im not allowed to be informed of potential dangers .. gimme a break already .
[/QUOTE]
This is an ADHD forum. Other ADHD forums have had to be diligent about keeping the members of our population who are seeking recipes for a newer, faster, higher drug cocktail. There are several drug forums that will be able to help you.[/QUOTE]
Where are they Imac?? if you'll forgive me you are coming across as a prick .. i assume you are not on any other prescribed medications ??
I've got birth defects profound chemical sensitivities , injuries and insults piled on top from 40 years of people who cant handlle the truth ..
So you assume that we are the bad guys because we a reconcerned about suggested issues regarding being prescribed opiates and ritalin ?? gimme a break already if i wanted some fool to tell me lies id have asked for it
you are the problem not the cure
.IMac38947.453900463.IMac38947.4536689815.IMac38947.4534375
[QUOTE=IMac][QUOTE=rangikahuta]Also in my experience people don't use ritalin to get "more bang for your buck" out of other drugs, they use it to get wasted, in combination with other drugs or on it's own. I've abused it on it's own intravenously, and with other drugs.... but thats not really relevant to this thread.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=rangikahuta]Anyone here know of any reasons why ritalin and methadone can't be prescribed together????[/QUOTE]
Rangikahuta, is it possible that your doctor is reluctant to prescribe Ritalin because you have abused it in the past?
Good luck with your recovery.
[/QUOTE]
I think that pretty much sums it up Imac. And I think that is exactly the same snow job he/she is pulling now. If I remember right, he/she posted in another thread about having to go daily to pick up meds cause they didn't trust him/her.
.IMac38947.4564583333 [QUOTE=rangikahuta]This was first posted on 26 July 2005Anyone one out there have any ideas on how a doctor can tell if Ritalin is doing what it should be???
My doctor has said he thinks the "rating scales" as suggested in the DSM4 are useless. He wanted to send me to a day hospital for a week of observation on nothing at all and then on ritalin. I declare this useless as I simply won't be "myself" when placed in this enviroment.
Now I realise the simple answer would be "what I tell the doctor".... Obviously I would know if it was helping me or not. The problem is I have a history of self medicating, therefore it is considered a possibility that I may be "drug seeking" too get up to no good. So the doctor doesn't seem to know what to do... The nurse I see asked me if I had any ideas how to go about the matter. I don't really, I simply said "unfortunately the only source of reliable information is going to be me. Whilst I realise that that may be considered unreliable I don't really see any other way"
So has anyone been down this track before????? Any suggestions??
Concerta is not an option as it is not funded by govt where I live.
[/QUOTE]You seem to be taking a very long time to find the right dosage of Ritalin. It shouldn't take anyone this long.
IMac38760.9278240741[QUOTE=IMac] [QUOTE=rangikahuta]This was first posted on 26 July 2005
Anyone one out there have any ideas on how a doctor can tell if Ritalin is doing what it should be???
My doctor has said he thinks the "rating scales" as suggested in the DSM4 are useless. He wanted to send me to a day hospital for a week of observation on nothing at all and then on ritalin. I declare this useless as I simply won't be "myself" when placed in this enviroment.
Now I realise the simple answer would be "what I tell the doctor".... Obviously I would know if it was helping me or not. The problem is I have a history of self medicating, therefore it is considered a possibility that I may be "drug seeking" too get up to no good. So the doctor doesn't seem to know what to do... The nurse I see asked me if I had any ideas how to go about the matter. I don't really, I simply said "unfortunately the only source of reliable information is going to be me. Whilst I realise that that may be considered unreliable I don't really see any other way"
So has anyone been down this track before????? Any suggestions??
Concerta is not an option as it is not funded by govt where I live.
[/QUOTE]
You seem to be taking a very long time to find the right dosage of Ritalin. It shouldn't take anyone this long.
[/QUOTE]
I threw my hands in the air in frustration and gave up for a while..... Back on opiates... So now I'm back to sorting out the methadone maintenance and then the add. Which is why I want to know about ritalin and methadone being prescribed together. I have asked my doctor about it, he's hesitant, but can't really give me a reason as to why he's not keen on prescribing both. I'm looking for other peoples experiences or knowledge on this, which seems scarce.
First, let me ask what your dr said about the use of methadone? Did you ask the dr about it?
Well, the relevance is that we have alot of people that come here telling us we are doping our kids up. Or that we are killing our children. Or that we are getting our children addicted to drugs. THAT'S THE RELEVANCE!!! You are a drug abuser. You said so your self. I commend you for admitting it. And yes, you have to do what works for you to get off drugs, and sometimes a 12 step program will not work. Thursday was only a few days ago, but for a drug abuser that few days seems like years! I feel for you, i really do. but you should go to a sight that will help you with you addiction first, then work on your adhd. If your drug of choice was meth, coke or heroin, the drugs could have unbalanced your "normal" chemical make up in your brain. (personally, i don't think there is any such thing as normal) Those chemicals in your brain will never be the same. Whether you have adhd is not an issue, for now. Getting and staying clean is. go to this site http://www.methmadness.com/methmadnessmain.html
It has some very useful information and a forum that has people that know what you are going thru. If you are really needing help, that is where you need to be. If you don't mind me asking, what was/is your drug of choice?
.IMac38947.4562152778[QUOTE=Auntie]You need to check yourself into some clinic to get help. You need to get clean before attempting any other types of medications and I certainly hope they make you pick up your meds everyday.
You say, ADD was your docs idea? I don't understand that. Why would a doctor suggest you have ADD if you didn't put the idea in his mind. I'm confused.
[/QUOTE]
good question, but I think that the story is not 100% truth. He is an addict, imac pinned it from the get go. "prescription drug cocktail". trading one addiction to another. It happens all the time. And it's sad!
First, let me ask what your dr said about the use of methadone? Did you ask the dr about it?
You are a drug abuser. You said so your self. I commend you for admitting it. And yes, you have to do what works for you to get off drugs, and sometimes a 12 step program will not work. Thursday was only a few days ago, but for a drug abuser that few days seems like years! I feel for you, i really do. but you should go to a sight that will help you with you addiction first, then work on your adhd. If your drug of choice was meth, coke or heroin, the drugs could have unbalanced your "normal" chemical make up in your brain. (personally, i don't think there is any such thing as normal) Those chemicals in your brain will never be the same. Whether you have adhd is not an issue, for now. Getting and staying clean is. go to this site http://www.methmadness.com/methmadnessmain.html
It has some very useful information and a forum that has people that know what you are going thru. If you are really needing help, that is where you need to be. If you don't mind me asking, what was/is your drug of choice?
[/QUOTE]
The doctor is from the Methadone clinic..... I went there to go on methadone maintenance... I am trying to deal with the addiction via this route... Methadone maintenance here has no time limit so I will be on methadone for as long as I am once it starts. I was a little brassed off about having to go to the pharmacy everyday to pick up ritalin so lost my motivation to "clean up" and decided if I'm going to the pharmacy everyday it will be for methadone, to treat the opiate addiction which I failed to kick. Once stable on methadone there is no reason why one can't look at treating the ADD as far as I can work out. When seeing the doctor I never asked for ritalin, nor did I imply that I had ADD. The doctor came up with that on his own, when I initially presented myself for a Methadone detox sometime early last year. The doctor doesn't really say a lot about methadone, apart from that is what they prescribe to treat opiate addiction. Yes he is concerned about my past history of drug abuse, what MD wouldn't? ADD wasn't my idea.... I was happy with methadone until he mentioned add...
I've generally been a poly drug user, no real preferance. amphetamines, hallucinogens, marijuana, ,benzos, barbs, opiates, coke. It's usually gone in phases, it just got stuck on opiates.
[QUOTE=IMac] [QUOTE=rangikahuta]Also in my experience people don't use ritalin to get "more bang for your buck" out of other drugs, they use it to get wasted, in combination with other drugs or on it's own. I've abused it on it's own intravenously, and with other drugs.... but thats not really relevant to this thread.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=rangikahuta]Anyone here know of any reasons why ritalin and methadone can't be prescribed together????[/QUOTE]
Rangikahuta, is it possible that your doctor is reluctant to prescribe Ritalin because you have abused it in the past?
Good luck with your recovery.
[/QUOTE]
The doctor has said he will prescribe the ritalin with conditions..... I want to know about it being prescribed in combination with methadone....
You need to check yourself into some clinic to get help. You need to get clean before attempting any other types of medications and I certainly hope they make you pick up your meds everyday.
You say, ADD was your docs idea? I don't understand that. Why would a doctor suggest you have ADD if you didn't put the idea in his mind. Im confused.
ok, from what I've read, methadone is very, very addictive and hard to come down off of. this is probably why the dr is not wanting to give it to you. If you are really trying to get clean, you should check yourself in to a rehab, if not for drugs, for getting the right meds at the right time. you cannot do it all alone. you have to give your body a clean detox, then you will be able to find what works for your other mental problems. DETOX FIRST, THEN WORRY ABOUT ADHD/ADD LATER. You are not going to get what you want until you do that. I wish i could help, but you have to take the next step. You have admitted you have a problem, now you need to get help for it. You will find your way. Ask your dr to find you a rehab that you can get into. There are alot that are NOT 12 step programs. I would ask the dr to refer you to one. If you don't, you will most certainly use again. I'm a realist, and i don't beat around the bush, so I cut straight to the problem. You are an addict, go to rehab and get the help you need. It looks like you are trying to get a cocktail from the dr's. I can help you find one if you want. All you have to do is ask.
edited to add this link for your info:
http://members.tripod.com/~jbabs714/meth.htm
ogram38760.9588541667[QUOTE=ogram][QUOTE=Auntie]
You need to check yourself into some clinic to get help. You need to get clean before attempting any other types of medications and I certainly hope they make you pick up your meds everyday.
You say, ADD was your docs idea? I don't understand that. Why would a doctor suggest you have ADD if you didn't put the idea in his mind. I'm confused.
[/QUOTE]
good question, but I think that the story is not 100% truth. He is an addict, imac pinned it from the get go. "prescription drug cocktail". trading one addiction to another. It happens all the time. And it's sad!
[/QUOTE]
Yup, this way he/she can get it free or nearly free and need not support his/her habit. It is sad but this person is so not ready to get help. And no doubt picking up a lot of the right things to say to the doc by visiting this site. It is very sad.
you said it! I agree. what's bad, is the trolls will see this and find a way to exploit us that are here for legit issues.
sad, sad, sad!
[QUOTE=IMac]I am interested that someone has been prescribed this combination of drugs for plain old run of the mill ADHD.
[/QUOTE]
Screw you and your old run of the mill crap about the thing that is plagueing my life and others i mac ..
if you cannot recognise that many of us have ADD as part of a syndrome especially when we have been diagnosed late in life then you need to jshut your trap and understand more about the reality of this condition and its consequences for people health and wellbing as they go through life
You talk like a bent up old school teacher with nothing nice to say and aways pointing your wicked finger at the innocent
I guess in your mind iomac the human being is kindof like the perfect partnet for a prescription bottle .. like this one little pill is gonna make everything allright ..but its unrealistic in the real world .. maybe you dont have add at all imac from your diatribe it sounds to me like you are all in your own head .. allways trusting now allway accussing ..
the reality is as i know it is that people are livinfg whole entities and any and every thing we do influences the whole being .. the pain killers i take and the ritalin i take all influence and effect ME .. they arent just numbers or labels on bottles they are things that affect my very and whole existence ,, there are synergies and there are interactions
the coeidine they give me deals mediocrely with he pain but is make me very lethargic .. the ritalin makes me more able to function bbut i cannot do with out either one or the other and still function properly .. my lifes like that and more ..it may not fit into your little fanmciful image of what human beings "should" be like according to your latest rebound theory but its true ..
i want to know everything i can about madication that i may well be on for the rest of my life .. you awnt to shut down such discussions .. well shut this
[QUOTE=Auntie]
You need to check yourself into some clinic to get help. You need to get clean before attempting any other types of medications and I certainly hope they make you pick up your meds everyday.
You say, ADD was your docs idea? I don't understand that. Why would a doctor suggest you have ADD if you didn't put the idea in his mind. Im confused.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah and the clinic I've chosen is the Methadone clinic. When you are on methadone maintenance you don't get high, you're not off your face.... You are just like any other person. As for the doctor getting the add idea.... What I should have said was I didn't announce I had add to him, he concluded that I had add after asking a series of question, he felt this was confirmed by a psychiatrist/psycologist??? whom I had to see for a second opinion.
[QUOTE=IMac]2Tone, is there a reason you avoid answering simple questions? [/QUOTE]
i dont intentianally avoid questions as a rule Imac .. what question exactly do you accuse me of avoiding ?
and hey can you stop pointing your finger like that its a very rude thing to do ..
I guess I will throw my 2 cents in here. I think your dr is right for not wanting to Rx you ritalin at this point. You are a drug addict, and you need to get yourself clean. It may not be that the two drugs in combination are bad (I'm not certain about it's safety together). However for an addict, it certainly can be. Like others have stated, it could lead to trading one addction for another. Honestly, can you trust yourself at this point with an addictive drug of any kind? It is probably in your best interest to go through rehab and get to the root of your addiction. It may be that you are self-medicating, but you need to know that before you decided to treat your ADD with ritalin. BTW, you may want to look into alternative treatment for it in the meantime.[QUOTE=rangikahuta][QUOTE=Auntie]
You need to check yourself into some clinic to get help. You need to get clean before attempting any other types of medications and I certainly hope they make you pick up your meds everyday.
You say, ADD was your docs idea? I don't understand that. Why would a doctor suggest you have ADD if you didn't put the idea in his mind. Im confused.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah and the clinic I've chosen is the Methadone clinic. When you are on methadone maintenance you don't get high, you're not off your face.... You are just like any other person. As for the doctor getting the add idea.... What I should have said was I didn't announce I had add to him, he concluded that I had add after asking a series of question, he felt this was confirmed by a psychiatrist/psycologist??? whom I had to see for a second opinion.
[/QUOTE]
And when did this happen? After you came to this ADHD forum to seek the right answers? Or have you known all your life you have ADD? Do you think the doctor is right? Sorry, I'm a curious.
I am glad you are going to a clinic. I truly do wish you the best. I have never been addicted to anything but cigerettes so have no idea what it must be like to be you.
[QUOTE=Auntie][QUOTE=Auntie]And when did this happen? After you came to this ADHD forum to seek the right answers? Or have you known all your life you have ADD? Do you think the doctor is right? Sorry, I'm a curious.
I am glad you are going to a clinic. I truly do wish you the best. I have never been addicted to anything but cigerettes so have no idea what it must be like to be you.
[/QUOTE]
This happened in july or june last year, whenever it says I registered on this site. The doctor told me he thought I was ADD and that I should go and do some reading on it and when I come back tell him what I think. That night I found this site and registered. Yes I do think the doctor is right, and my family thinks the doctor is right.
For everyones information.....
When on a methadone maintenance program in this country you have to go to the chemist nearly everyday to consume your medicine. You don't get to take it home and sell it, inject it, save it or anything else. If your lucky you might be given a dose to take home and save a walk to the chemist once a week. This makes it very hard to abuse.
Yes in effect it is swapping one addiction for another. However it means I don't have to commit fraud, shoplift, rob drug dealers, or scam drug buyers. I sick of that sh*t. Typically the saving to society greatly outweighs the cost of not treating an opiate addict. It's cheaper than throwing me in prison if I get in bother for funding my addiction. Now maybe I've got it wrong but what else is methadone maintenance for?
I repeat - once stable on methadone, one can look at dealing with the add, which is why I've asked about the combination of prescription ritalin and prescription methadone.
Good job on the new chapter of your life. I hope things work out for the best. I can't offer any advice on combining the drugs. I take Ritalin LA but don't have to deal with the additional complications you are experiencing. Keep up the good work.
[QUOTE=rangikahuta]Anyone here know of any reasons why ritalin and methadone can't be prescribed together????[/QUOTE]
Ha anyone ever considered NOT posting a reply unless they have an actual answer or some advice to give?
You people just proceeded to jump down throats before knowing anything......the same thing that we all get upset over "trolls" doing
you should be ashamed of yourself....it is not your place to judge....
A question was asked...if you dont have an answer MOVE ON!!!!!
.IMac38947.4583680556Imac are you aware that some people just have a question to ask?But dont let me stop you from being the savior of the universe.....
I have some snow to shovel
take care.
rangik, I do NOT mean any disrespect to, if you want to discuss this, let's do it like adults, ok?
i agree, but it doesn't matter that much to any one, now does it?
looks like you are a "past" illegal drug user, turned "current" prescription drug abuser. I call it like I see it. I have a family member that is addicted to meth, and is turning the addition to prescription drugs.
If you are really serious, why don't you tell me about your addiction? How many meetings are you going to? How many have you been to? Do you have a sponsor? Do you want to be clean?
If you insist on having this discussion, why not be honest about it. I'm fine with that. Honest...... to yourself and others, including you dr.
.IMac38947.4555671296.IMac38947.4558101852They were prescribed for opiate addiction, and benzo addiction as part of a detox program.... Aropax for depression. I never said they were prescibed for ADHD.....
This situation came about due to a history of self medicating and is most likely a result of ADD going undiagnosed until recently. So existing addictions had to be dealt with first before treating the ADD. Because I would prefer to go on methadone than completely stop opiates I inquired at the start of this thread into the combination of ritalin and methadone as the doctor isn't keen on prescribing both. I know of people prescribed both in New Zealand but not many. I was interested in anyones experience or knowledge regarding this matter. I wasn't interested in an arguement or peoples biased opinions.
Also in my experience people don't use ritalin to get "more bang for your buck" out of other drugs, they use it to get wasted, in combination with other drugs or on it's own. I've abused it on it's own intravenously, and with other drugs.... but thats not really relevant to this thread.
[QUOTE=IMac] [QUOTE=rangikahuta]. . . You are the only person posting . . .[/QUOTE]
Don't let that mislead you, kiddo. You would be surprised the number of people who agree, but don't post. 
[/QUOTE]
Other people may agree with you, they may not... At least they aren't adding unhelpful, irrelevant posts to this thread. If you wanted to inquire as to what or why certain medication were prescribed to me (as posted about in a different thread, and forum) you should have PM'd me or started a seperate thread, not cluttered up this legitimate thread. 
rangik, I do NOT mean any disrespect to, if you want to discuss this, let's do it like adults, ok?
i agree, but it doesn't matter that much to any one, now does it?
looks like you are a "past" illegal drug user, turned "current" prescription drug abuser. I call it like I see it. I have a family member that is addicted to meth, and is turning the addition to prescription drugs.
If you are really serious, why don't you tell me about your addiction? How many meetings are you going to? How many have you been to? Do you have a sponsor? Do you want to be clean?
If you insist on having this discussion, why not be honest about it. I'm fine with that. Honest...... to yourself and others, including you dr.
[/QUOTE]
What currently makes me a prescription drug abuser? The quote Imac gave is from last year. I still don't see the relevance it has to this thread.
I wanted to have a discussion about the prescribed use of ritalin in combination with prescription methadone, not about the contents of some post written last year. However seen it's a bit late for that now... I am on a waiting list for methadone maintenance.... That doesn't deal with ADD, which is why the doctor wants to prescribe ritalin. It's the same doctor that will be dealing with the ritalin and/or methadone scripts, it was also the same doctor who prescribed the valium, clonidine, and methadone last time (as in the post Imac reffered too). I am totally honest with the doctor, it's only sensible. I don't go to meetings, I don't find them helpful. Yes I've been, no it didn't work for me. If you want to stop doing something you have to do so in a way that works for you. Methadone works for me in regards to laying off opiate use, it also helps laying off other drugs as well (meth, coke etc). LOL, I haven't used any drugs since Thursday, its Monday here. I don't see that as any great accomplishment... I only continue to use opiates to "feel normal", which is what the methadone is for in part, but I have to wait for that.
[QUOTE=IMac]This an ADHD and co-morbid conditions board. What is your problem with that? I don't go on Marijuana.com bragging about how I abstain from using illegal substances. [/QUOTE]
What relevance does the above have to this thread?
[QUOTE=IMac]. . . or The Lycaeum Forums telling you how dangerous it is to cook codeine into heroin. [/QUOTE]
I repeat, what relevance does the above have to THIS thread?
I came in here asking about an ADD medication in combination with another medication prescribed for an addiction, which came about as a result of self medicating... A likely result in my case of my add going undiagnosed until last year...
.IMac38947.4546527778[QUOTE=IMac]"Had 20mgs of aropax 6hours ago, 20mgs of valium, 375micrograms of clonidine and 5mgs of methadone."
Are these drugs prescribed for ADHD?
[/QUOTE]
You really aren't very clever are you Imac? That post was taken from the St. Johns Wart and Depression message board...... It was asking about those drugs in combination with St Johns Wart, quite acceptable if you ask me...
.IMac38947.4549537037[QUOTE=IMac]Rangikahuta/2Tone, I repeat: are these drugs prescribed for ADHD? [/QUOTE]
You are the only person posting about those drugs out of place in an ADHD forum
Like I said that quote was taken from the "ST. JOHNS WART / DEPRESSION FORUM"
So what is the relevance of your question?
.IMac38947.4551388889[QUOTE=Peita Pan]Im really sorry you have copped so much grief over this. I read it as an innocent question no different if you'd have asked if it were ok to take antidepressants on Ritalin.
From one ex drug addict to another as you soon will be, I congratulate you on your efforts. I'll probably get hammered now too.
Ive be clean for going on ten years now but it was a struggle and I understand how easy it would be to slip back into the old habit but as you've realised its just that, a habit. Its something that you fell into and Im proud you're pulling yourself out of the pit that is oh so comfortalble to stay in.
Your doc will tell you straight out if you can take the two combined.
Imac, getting off drugs is really hard on many levels. Have you ever been there since you have so much to say? Im not an awful person, I had a problem that took all my energy to overcome especially with my ADHD as Im very impulsive and have an extreme need for constant stimulation, Im guessing Rangikahuta has the same type of personality trait.
In all honesty if this had have been me post ten years ago Imac would have sent me looking for something to take
I hope you are seriously getting help for yourself R cos Im sticking my neck out here
[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the support, I'm grateful that someone else has spoken up about my thread in a non negative way. Imac and the negative brigade were making a shambles of it.
bumpIm really sorry you have copped so much grief over this. I read it as an innocent question no different if you'd have asked if it were ok to take antidepressants on Ritalin.
From one ex drug addict to another as you soon will be, I congratulate you on your efforts. I'll probably get hammered now too.
Ive be clean for going on ten years now but it was a struggle and I understand how easy it would be to slip back into the old habit but as you've realised its just that, a habit. Its something that you fell into and Im proud you're pulling yourself out of the pit that is oh so comfortalble to stay in.
Your doc will tell you straight out if you can take the two combined.
Imac, getting off drugs is really hard on many levels. Have you ever been there since you have so much to say? Im not an awful person, I had a problem that took all my energy to overcome especially with my ADHD as Im very impulsive and have an extreme need for constant stimulation, Im guessing Rangikahuta has the same type of personality trait.
In all honesty if this had have been me post ten years ago Imac would have sent me looking for something to take
I hope you are seriously getting help for yourself R cos Im sticking my neck out here
[QUOTE=IMac] Tryan, are you aware that people troll the ADHD forums learning symptoms and gathering information to convince doctors of their ADHD in order to get a prescription for ADHD meds? I have seen posters garner sympathy and support from members of a forum only to discover the "addict" was bragging to others about his con game on a drug forum where people glorified drug abuse.
Have you worked with addicts? Have you lived with addicts? Have you been addicted to a substance? Do you want people discussing recipes, dosage, prices and dealers on this forum?
Tryan, have you ever felt like a low life while filling your triplicate form prescription at the pharmacy in front of a large audience of customers? Do you have to sign for your prescription?
Tryan, perhaps you can research the effects of combining methadone with methylphenidate for someone who could be too brain damaged or wacked out to search for himself. Perhaps the question is being asked on discussion boards to cultivate new contacts. Do you have children, Tryan?
oh no you didn't? not very nice. my bil is a herion addict, he just got paroled. and my birthfather died in 1984 from that stuff. (i am adopted) taking meth is for quitting & has nothing to do w/add.....just my opinion. no offense.
[/QUOTE]
and i live with a recovering alcoholic. since i was 18, & he always wasn't recovering if you know what i mean....
for the person who started this thread----plz get help, life's too short!
from what i have read about methadone it is harder on your body then street drugs..rangikahuta i really would like you to think twice about the methadone..is it possible that you could get into a longcare treatment program other then the methadone program? i'm only asking because i have seen the problems it caused my brother... best wishes ..Hey Peita Pan -
being the Mom to the recovering alcoholic who lost 85% of her pancreas and her spleen last August due to severe alcohol damage culminating at the age of 34 (she is the one on Methadone three times a day which only controls her pain, no high, no anything, for life) - I take my hat off to you regarding your recovery and just want to say - I got your back! Kudos to you for saying what I too feel needed to be said. And on the chance that Ranghi isn't ready for recovery, well I'd rather take a chance with someone, than completely loose someone that really might be looking for help. If it's only drug combos he's looking to take for a high, he'll get bored with all of us real soon.
edit: Just to let you know that my grand-daughter (daughter's little girl) is ADHD and has been on Medadate for about a year and a half now, with excellent results. Is a very brilliant child who excels at everything - just has the attention span of a flea and can't sit still without the Metadate, hence the reason I am on these boards in the first place.
LRM21638762.9716782407 From my perspective i too can vouch that add medicatin can have the ability to reduce the need for seeking self medication (read: "abuse" imac) .
It was a most unusual experience for me
I have used many recreational drugs in the past , not an extreeme user but as a part of a musical fraternity and they beyond i have i must say used drugs recreationally from time to time and some items over a long period constituting much of my adult life .
Since i became more mature i realised that most all of my drug use was actually self-medication which was someth9ing of a major revelation for me because i too was caught in the catch-22 of the mindset that "theres nothing wrong with me" for oh so long .
Im used to "drugs" that alter a persons mindset ,, its generally been something i dont like very much because i already have a very good mind and almost allways the altered state was a weakened or messed up one .
I stumbled onto ritalin .. before that i would have been one of the many semi-obnoxious red neckkers who would look down on adders as being something of a sick joke . But i was hurting real bad one day .. my pain medications (coidene) does adress most of my pain issues but it turns me into a bit of a zombie .. i have made an opium tincture in the past and doctors have thought this was a good thing even though it was illegal they encouraged me universally .
but the coidene unlike the natural subtance was a droopy tiring sleepy drug , the opium tincture was functional .. i get to lots done .
so this day i was hurting bad .. not from the pain i felt , but from the medication .. the fog was in my brain and i was wandering around in a stupor ,, really unhappy and discontent . I met an aqqaintance down the street and told him briefly how poorly i was feeling .. hes a nice chap too me , scratches his head in the past wondering whats going on with me - but at heart as he says loves me as a brother which is a lot to say from this person .
He offered me a ritalin pill .. i would have said no a hundred times before but i was hating the way i was feeling , i wanted to hit myself with a piece of timber to stop my brain from giving me this grief ..
I took the pill he offered me .. i chewed on it and held it in my mouth for a minute or Two then swallowed .. i was gently pleasantly surprised .. no mind warping at all , not off track thoughts , no sensory disturbances .. yet my brian fog gently quietly dissapeared and i was able to chat with my friend for about an hour as the sun was going down as never before .. i later returned home and did some things that i had been procratinating about for far far too long ..
Since then i have been to my doctor and am now on ritalin .,, being on ritalin for me is not like being on a drug .. if i take too much my stomach gets upset but it doesnt bend or twist my mind .. and being on ritalin reduces my interest in seeking self-medication in many other ways .. i still take my pain killers , but recreational drug use seems to have dissapeared from the horizon .
My aqquaintance also has reduces recreational drug use while using ritalin .. its a very common effect .
Suggesting that someone has to be clean in your eyes before being allowed to trial add medication is the wrong way to go imo for many of us who in our heart do want to change but do not want to go through hell to do it .
Many recreational drug users at heart are very nice people ,, its not all that recreational drug users have massive personality problems that need to be adressed .. many many adult add people who have not been diagnosed have drug use issues ..
Using add medication make many of these drug "abuse" issues dissapear or become far more manageable .. attempting to reduce self medication without official medication is imo a recipie for undue hardship and failure .. people are not at heart so robust as to do this on thier own especially add people ..
I think you should get onto add medication asap rangikahuta
.. its a remarkable clean and clear intervention .. something rare in the recreational drug world .. and something that is very valuable for a person who wants to have more control and personal power .
Its a hurdle for the mind of the precriber tho in many ways and perhaps you could (and i dont give advise easily ) perhaps you could go to a support methadone group to find a doctor who has specific experience in prescribing add medication for people with drug abuse issues .. you situation is not at all rare and many people may miss out on the meidication they deserve because of unnessecary relutance on the part of the Prescribing doctor ..
Personally i dont know how a person could make it through adulthood with undiagnosed untreated add without self-medicating ..
2tone38762.9746759259[QUOTE=Peita Pan]
Im really sorry you have copped so much grief over this. I read it as an innocent question no different if you'd have asked if it were ok to take antidepressants on Ritalin.
[/QUOTE]
My feelings exactly......If this wasnt so sad it would be funny how completely out of context the attack was over a simple 14 word question.
We all know that not everyone comes here with the truest intentions, but that doesnt give anyone the right to assume the worst and verbally lash out at someone.
I would suggest that anyone who feels the need to lecture this person, go back and actually READ the the beginning of this thread, there was nothing to denote any kind of drug seeking behavior (except that which was fabricated by "the almighty")
This thread is a shining example of how NOT to post
Rangikahuta........I wish you luck in your recovery
O.K., I will answer the question. I do not think Dr.'s are comfortable prescribing any drug in combination with methadone, if the methadone is being used to overcome addiction to heroin. I would think that any doctor would be very cautious about prescribing a drug, such as Ritalin, that can be abused and used to get high. Now, if it were drugs for diabetes or high blood pressure or something like that, then that's a different story. Ritalin, however, is speed. It works differently on the ADHD brain, but it is speed. And, no, I can't imagine a doctor prescribing it to an addict.[QUOTE=lillian]O.K., I will answer the question. I do not think Dr.'s are comfortable prescribing any drug in combination with methadone, if the methadone is being used to overcome addiction to heroin. I would think that any doctor would be very cautious about prescribing a drug, such as Ritalin, that can be abused and used to get high. Now, if it were drugs for diabetes or high blood pressure or something like that, then that's a different story. Ritalin, however, is speed. It works differently on the ADHD brain, but it is speed. And, no, I can't imagine a doctor prescribing it to an addict. [/QUOTE]
Wow......an answer that wasnt an accusation or character judgement......who'da thunk it.
Very well put Lillian
[QUOTE=Tryan920][QUOTE=lillian]O.K., I will answer the question. I do not think Dr.'s are comfortable prescribing any drug in combination with methadone, if the methadone is being used to overcome addiction to heroin. I would think that any doctor would be very cautious about prescribing a drug, such as Ritalin, that can be abused and used to get high. Now, if it were drugs for diabetes or high blood pressure or something like that, then that's a different story. Ritalin, however, is speed. It works differently on the ADHD brain, but it is speed. And, no, I can't imagine a doctor prescribing it to an addict. [/QUOTE]
Wow......an answer that wasnt an accusation or character judgement......who'da thunk it.
Very well put Lillian
[/QUOTE]
agreed. i was trying to say that, but it is very hard to get the words out with a broken keyboard.......
[QUOTE=IMac]
Have you worked with addicts? Have you lived with addicts? Have you been addicted to a substance? Do you want people discussing recipes, dosage, prices and dealers on this forum?
Tryan, have you ever felt like a low life while filling your triplicate form prescription at the pharmacy in front of a large audience of customers? Do you have to sign for your prescription?
Tryan, perhaps you can research the effects of combining methadone with methylphenidate for someone who could be too brain damaged or wacked out to search for himself. Perhaps the question is being asked on discussion boards to cultivate new contacts. Do you have children, Tryan?
[/QUOTE]
What does people discussing recipes, dosage, prices and dealers have to do with this thread? I don't recall discussing anything of the sort. What does signing for scripts or large audiences have to do with my original question? Why can my research not include asking questions on this forum?
I think you Imac are to hyped up or whacked out on ADD meds to read, and comprehend the initial question and purpose of this thread.
perhaps, because ones a stimulant and the other a strong depressant?Methadone alone is a very, very extreme drug and I don't think you'd want to be mixing in the stimulated effect ritalin provides.
Please rangikahuta .. tell me more about this
I am currently on Rx coidene and ritalin , although i feel strongly i should be on Methadone .
This stuff is particularly relevant to me since for instance i have just brewed an opium tincture that i use periodically for pain control and muscle relaxation issues since my doctors have anxiety issues about allowing me methadone .
Aloha btw and Crowsnose one of my family names means "crooked nose" and its nice to be chatting with you too .
2tone38757.095775463.IMac38947.4529861111.IMac38947.4586111111[QUOTE=IMac] [QUOTE=Tryan920]
But dont let me stop you from being the savior of the universe.....[/QUOTE]
Thank you, Tryan. Each of us can make a difference.
[/QUOTE]
The only difference you've made here is triggered off a wave of unnecessary posts. Well done.
You need some serious help IMac.
Or maybe just a hobby
Imac, that's a bloody awful thing to say about someone you don't know. I never stole from anyone in my life, even when I was using all money on drugs and couldnt pay my bills or mortgage.
Do not imply that all people who have an addiction are also criminals. You have no idea what you're talking about.
you've been on methadone for 21 years ?!? My goodness - that's a long time. Usually it's a transitionary med and the real goal is to be able to wean the person off over a decade or so.
Have you been in a program to wean you off methadone? I would imagine you would desire this as that would be best.
Now to your question
ADHD meds taken by someone who has ADHD don't lead to dependence when taken as directed. The doses are far far smaller than would create the physical need over time. While a person on the street would take hundreds of milligrams of a chosen med at a time the average ADHD person takes from as low as 5mg at a time - far less.
Still - since you have the concern you should look carefully at all choices. For example there are antidepressants that seem to work fairly well and always stratterra. Either way there is zero dependence risk but are other risks and read up on them carefully.
Hi all :-)
I would REALLY like some info on this subject... In fact I have just posted the below on some Methadone forums hoping for some advise myself...
I have been prescribed Methadone since I was 17 years old (now 38) with only a couple of small periods off.
I have recently been diagnosed with Adult ADHD via a very intensive diagnosis process. I beleive I have been affected quite substantially in my life by ADHD but was never diagnosed as a child and never sought until now, to have a professional diagnosis.
The catalyst for my seeking the diagnosis has been my 4 year old son. I have noticed especially in the last year, that he exhibits a lot of the same symptoms that I show, ie, hyperactivity, inattention and distractible behaviour that I do.
Therefore I sought out the assessment for ADHD primarily so that I better learn to manage my own symptoms and therefore provide a better model for my son.
Since the diagnosis I have been working with they psychologist on ways to manage my own symptoms. Today he bought up the subject of medication (he knows of my Methdone) and asked whether this was something I was interested to pursue.
He himself was unsure of the interaction between the 2 medications and was trying to find more info. As far as my methadone clinic here in NZ goes, they have told me that as long as I am professionally precribed the ADHD medication then it would not be an issue with them.
However, I am still unsure of whether I want to go the route of ADHD medication, as I am hesitant to be taking another serious medication as well as Methadone. I am also really unsure of the way they might interact together???
Therefore I would really love to hear from anyone who has Adult ADHD *and* who is also on (or has been on) Methadone . I would also be interested in hearing from others who have personal or professional experience regarding MMT and ADHD medication.
Thanks in advance for any help/advise you can provide
Cheers :-)