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strattera is an SNRI and one of these 'recycled' drugs.  meds that were initially meant to treat depression - failed in the clinical trials to be effective - and then Eli Lilly just look for other ways it might be useful so that they don't totally have to write off all the research costs etc. etc. be it impotence, narcolepsy or in this case ADHD.

i am going to paste this article i read but PLEASE do read it with caution and understanding it comes from the internet NOT a doctor etc. etc. also do understand that all these meds --- strattera included have been approved by the FDA and gone through rigorous trials and i don't feel there is a need to worry unduly if you are currently taking Strattera or your child is.  it works GREAT for some people.

i really DON'T want to start a scare tactic here - but in case you are interested in some possible negative side-effects for Strattera and things to look out for when your son goes on the medication, that might be relevant for you and your son, and some background information on the history of Strattera and Eli Lilly, here is this article - it is also dated (2004) and the suicidal ideation warning has been added to Strattera since then.  I still want to stress that this is a particular side of the argument, it is not my personal experience and i don't have any statistics as to what percentage of people ever get the side effects etc. etc. i expect it is extremely, extremely minimal... your doctor will have far more up-to-date information to hand.

and i know you are nervous about medicating your child but on the plus side - it can be a miracle, a breakthrough and a wonderful change for the child too!  don't forget that there is every possibility it can help him and make him much happier!


Mon, 26 Apr 2004

A front page article in The Wall Street Journal (excerpt below) provides a roadmap of failed Eli Lilly drugs which the company repackaged for a different condition than the one for which the drugs had been tested in clinical trials, or to expand the market for drugs that don't bring in enough profits when marketed for a particular condition.

The Journal notes: "Lilly has long had a culture that looks at failure as an inevitable part of discovery and encourages scientists to take risks. If a new drug doesn't work out for its intended use, Lilly scientists are taught to look for new uses for a drug."

The Journal lists 8 failed Lilly drugs that were recycled or in the process of being recycled. Among the drugs that bombed are two antidepressants that have been repackaged.

Strattera and Cymbalta are antidepressants of the selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor (SNRI) class. In clinical trials Strattera had failed as an antidepressant, but is now marketed as a "non-stimulant" treatment for ADHD.

Cymbalta (duloxetine), a potent dual reuptake inhibitor of the neurotransmitters serotonin and norepinephrine also failed in its original antidepressant trials. It is now being tested for incontinence at higher doses.

The recycling of these failed antidepressants raises concerns because of evidence-from previously concealed clinical trial data and from a large number of case reports--all indicating that the newer generation of antidepressants can trigger serious adverse symptoms that can lead to life-threatening behavior in some patients. These unwanted effects include: movement disorders, withdrawal symptoms, mania, depression, hallucinations, agitation, aggressiveness, anxiety, psychosis, akathisia, and violent or suicidal behavior.

The FDA had evidence of these drugs' adverse effects for years but failed to warn prescribing physicians and the public. For example, a "confidential" October 1996 memo FDA's Dr. Thomas Laughren referred to an analysis by Dr. James Knudsen, FDA's own medical officer of four Zoloft (sertraline) pediatric trials:

"Dr. Knudsen provided person-time data only for the sertraline exposed patients, yielding adjusted estimates of 0.035/ PEY [patient exposure years] for adults and 0.25 /PEY for pediatric patients. He commented on the 7-fold greater incidence of Suicidality in children taking sertraline compared to adults." In this memo (obtained under Freedom of Information) Dr. Laughren acknowledges that 6 children in those Zoloft trials who were on the drug became suicidal.

On March 22, 2004 the agency issued a warning advisory about antidepressant drug risks only after it was learned that senior FDA officials had suppressed the release of an analysis by FDA's leading expert. That report, by Dr. Andrew Mosholder, validates the safety concerns and the unfavorable risk / benefit ratio of antidepressants for children.

Strattera is an SNRI--the same class of drugs as Effexor, whose manufacturer, Wyeth, issued a clear warning about the suicidal risk, advising physicians not to prescribe Effexor for children. Since it's launching in December 2002, Strattera is the fastest growing ADHD drug, capturing 16.3% of the market share in just 9 months. The cumulative number of prescriptions written for Strattera doubled during the third quarter, from roughly 1 million in the first half of 2003 to more than 2 million by the end of September 2003. It is estimated that of 1.4 million individuals, 856,000 children are prescribed Strattera. See: Psychiatric News. Med Check Compiled by Jim Rosack December 5, 2003 Volume 38 Number 23 http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/38/23/22

The Alliance for Human Research Protection is concerned that children who are prescribed the failed antidepressant, Strattera, may be exposed to undisclosed serious risks of harm.

FDA's-approved label states: "STRATTERA was administered to 2067 children or adolescent patients with ADHD and 270 adults with ADHD in clinical studies. Yet, adverse effects analysis included only 427 children on Stattera, and reported withdrawal of only 15 of 427 children on Strattera compared to 4 out of 294 children given a placebo. See: http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/2002/21411_strattera_lbl.p df

What happened to the other 1,640 children who were administered Strattera?

AHRP questions FDA's inexplicable failure to include Strattera data in Dr. Andrew Mosholder's analysis of antidepressants-and we question the exclusion of Strattera from FDA's antidepressant drug advisory warning (March 22, 2004).

Surely FDA officials know that a drug described in FDA's approved Strattera label as a "selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor" is similar to several other SNRI drugs approved and marketed as antidepressants. Whether a drug is prescribed for children with depression or ADHD, the drug's potential adverse effects are the same.

See: THE LOS ANGELES TIMES. A Godsend, Till a Life Unravels By Alan Zarembo and Benedict Carey, April 2, 2004 http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-humantest2apr02,1 ,6542363.story?coll=la-home-headlines


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Flop Factor: By Learning From Failures, Lilly Keeps Drug Pipeline Full; Dr. Nyikiza Uses Math Skills To Save Cancer Treatment; A Surprisingly Simple Fix; Lessons of an Antelope Hunt By Thomas M. Burton Apr 21, 2004 A.1

INDIANAPOLIS -- Five years ago, Eli Lilly & Co. had high hopes for an experimental chemotherapy drug called Alimta. But after three patients taking Alimta died suddenly in 1999, Lilly halted trials of the drug. It looked like a fatal blow for Alimta -- despite strong evidence that it could reverse tumor growth.

Paolo Paoletti, the Lilly doctor running the trials, begged for two weeks to save the drug. He teamed up with a Rwandan mathematician, Clet Nyikiza, whom Lilly keeps on staff largely to study drug failures. Dr. Nyikiza had been fascinated by why complex processes fail ever since his grandfather taught him as a boy in East Africa the telltale signs of an unsuccessful antelope hunt. By analyzing blood samples and medical records, Messrs. Paoletti and Nyikiza identified a surprising problem with an unexpectedly simple solution.

Today, Alimta is an approved treatment for mesothelioma, a rare type of cancer caused by exposure to asbestos. It's under Food and Drug Administration consideration as a treatment for lung cancer, a much more common ailment.

Alimta's resurrection helps illustrate why Lilly is coming out with a flood of new medicines even as many of its competitors struggle to replace blockbuster drugs coming off patent. Lilly has long had a culture that looks at failure as an inevitable part of discovery and encourages scientists to take risks. If a new drug doesn't work out for its intended use, Lilly scientists are taught to look for new uses for a drug. In the early 1990s, W. Leigh Thompson, Lilly's chief scientific officer, initiated "failure parties" to commemorate excellent scientific work, done efficiently, that nevertheless resulted in failure.

Other drug companies are also seeing the importance of tolerating - and learning from -- failure, a valuable strategy since about 90% of experimental drugs in the industry fail. For example, Pfizer Inc. originally developed the blockbuster impotence drug Viagra to treat angina, or severe heart pain.

Lilly has taken this approach to unusual lengths. It assigns someone --often a team of doctors and scientists -- to retrospectively analyze every compound that has failed at any point in human clinical trials. Blair Sheppard, a management professor at Duke University who's done Consulting work for Lilly and other pharmaceutical companies, says that Lilly developed "a formalized and thoughtful process in which it reviewed failures more honestly, more deeply and started the process sooner than anyone else."

Many Lilly drugs have risen from failure. Evista, now a billion- a-year drug for osteoporosis, was a failed contraceptive. Strattera, a hot-selling drug for attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder, bombed out as an antidepressant.


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There's a name for it - it eludes me.  Something akin to "restless leg".  It's almost like an anti-spasm and it is an honest-to-goodness disorder.  I'll see if I can find it after work (if I'm not dead lol).

 

chjones may be correct about taking a "vacation" from Straterra.  I was speaking of the Metadate CD that my grand-daughter has been on (and is still on).  I stand corrected on that as I really do not know if that is possible with Straterra.  Your doctor will definitely be able to tell you.Sueocon:  Yes, she is very, very smart scholastically; however, without the meds, she is unable to focus, focus, focus!!!  Very easily distracted, very chatty and very hyper.  It takes awhile but the side effects will go away.  They all go through them, just have patience.  She has been on Medadate CD 2x's a day but only for school.  She is a wonderful and obedient student as long as she's on the meds!!  The other thing a lot of us on the board do (with the doctor's permission of course) is we do not medicate on weekends or school vacations.  She is a little hyper on the weekends (what kid isn't???) and she gets a bit more sassy with her mouth (she'll be 11 in July), but nothing we can't cope with.  The psychiatrist's feelings are she is what she is and we just have to deal with it the best we can, but his major concern is her ability to adjust, listen, focus and do well in school - that's his main concern.  I think it's probably too early for you to do yet, but a few months down the road, with enough time for the meds to have kicked in, do discuss the same with  your child's doctor(s).  Bryanna was on 18 mgs. of Straterra also when she was on it.  It did work great for her, as she also did better with a non-stimulant but has adjusted well to the Medadate after a month or so.  Again, hang in there - we're all here for you when you need us (and vice-versa - it's a hell of a ride ain't it????).i thought Strattera was the one med that you shouldn't give 'med holidays' with!

as it is not a stimulant but something that takes a little more time to get into the system etc. etc. etc. i would definitely check with your doctor first.

sueocon - as far as i know, the stims work far more quickly and immediately than the SNRIs which can take a while to kick into the system and start working - so you will probably need to give it a few weeks for the side-effects to wear off and the med to start working before you can tell whether it works well for your child or not.

good luck with it!


and i don't know why they say the meds don't cause the tics?  i mean it's kinda weird - when so many children on meds develop tics why they would dismiss it like that.  even if one said, well a side-effect can be tics - and what?????
 
it's not like that would put people off.  it just means they would recognise it when it happened.  i don't know - it's weird... it's not as if they even know exactly how methylphenidate works, they just know it does - so how can they be sure that it also doesn't cause tics????  it may be that the tics are latent and the meds bring them out - but doesn't that amount to the same thing and hold true for almost any bad side-effect.  that it is something within you - that reacts badly to the med.


Personally I wouldn't use a "med holiday" with a former anti-depressant like Stratterra until the MD said it was OK.  I don't see the point as it doesn't acclimate like amphetamines.  Makes no sense to me but I'm no doc either.

I'm not experienced much personally with tics (though I have a mild one that manifests when nervous or tired) but a recent study showed no increase in tics from no meds to meds.  I would think maybe agitation could make them worse (it does with me) but maybe the medication doesn't make it happen the anxiety does.  How they'd differentiate that is beyond me.  But I do know they've stopped thinking that it aggravates tourettes. 

They know that tics are caused by "sparks" of activity in the motor cortex and that it's a link between the reasoning brain and the core autonomic brain.  I don't get a lot of what they explain but they do seem to have a hook on what is going on these days.

i think i have a major 'sloth' tic.  i know that sounds weird - but when i get, what i call couch lock - i'm sure it isn't dissimilar to a tic.

this sounds nuts (i can tell already) - but i remember watching an Oprah show that had some ADD kids with tics and tourettes.  and the one boy was asked if he could control his tics and he said it was really hard but sometimes he could forcefully stop it and at other times if someone (like his mom) really shouted at him - it would also stop it.

and i feel exactly the same way about my 'couch lock' --- it comes when i am anxious i think and i can shout at myself to get up and out of it but i can't make myself......  but if someone else comes in and shouts at me it's like they break through that barrier/block and suddenly i can up and move easily and get things done and so on and so forth...

do you think that is crazy to consider it like a tic.  i have never had any type of tic btw so i have no comparison as to what a genuine 'tic' feels like!

I can speak first-hand on Straterra as my grand-daugher was on it and had to be taken off it.  She is the only case, I might add, that I have heard this happen to, so you must realize that the reason her pedi and psych removed her was due to her personal reaction to it.  When she was put on it, it worked great for her, in fact, the best so far; however, about 5 months or so on the drug, we began to see a lot of bruising, which we thought was just from outdoor playing, etc. (she was 9 at the time).  Bruising got worse - she began to look like she was hit by a Mack truck!!  Immediately took her to pediatrician - had blood tests run - and her blood cell count was low and her clotting factor was extremely slow.  Pediatrician did not think it was the Straterra.  I did extensive follow up research on the drug and because it has a strict warning re the liver and damage/complications to (and a few cases of death) I reported back to the pediatrician and the psychiatrist my findings and they then both agreed to stop the drug.  Lo and behold - within 6 weeks, her blood was back to normal as well as her clotting factor. No more bruises either.  This drug has the potential for harsh effects on the liver.  Bryanna was a very healthy child with no other medical problems at any time prior, so we (and the two doctors) are all of the belief that this was caused by the Straterra - it being too hard on her liver.  Blood testing should be done on ANYONE on this drug (as suggested by the maker).  Just bear in mind that this drug is NEW -it was only introuduced to the market in 2004.  They have miles to go with this drug before they truly know it's side effects on anyone.  It has caused problems and a few deaths in previously healthy individuals.  They have no facts yet comprised on the usage in children.  Unfortunately, only time will tell, but that's really true with any drug we take.  Many people are on it and have had no ill effects.  If my child was going on it, I would watch very carefully and MAKE SURE blood tests were done at quarterly intervals.   Very good topic for me today as it is my 6 yr old's first day on Strattera.  The past 6 months have been ritalin, metadate, and focalin.(all of these were even tried at reduced doses).  They all worked excellent except for the facial tics which were most recently the worst on metadate.  My son is very hyper and just can't stay still or sit in his seat.  Behavior is the main issue.  His teacher has said he is one of the smartest kids in her class.  She has said she has never seen such an improvement with a child on any of these meds so drastically.  After the tics were severe, dr put him on risperdol for a few days to help the tics go away.  2 weeks later, as of yesterday, still mild. Took him to the dr for cough and runny nose that wouldn't go away and( he did have strep in March), got retested and was positive again with no throat symptoms.  Dr. came up with something called P.A.N.D.A. which he told me to check out.  I did and it says the strep virus can cause tics.  He is thinking this made them severe.  Just wondering if anyone has heard of this.  Anyway, I am not too hopeful about strattera and appreciate all of the info on this.  It took me a year to finally try medicine and I feel guilty still, especially if these tics don't go away.  I know they say meds don't cause them but he has never had them before. I think this is my last choice for medication.  His psychologist kind of gave up and said go to a neurologist.  His pediatrician said to stick with him since he does specialize in adhd. Thanks for listening!sueocon:  Hey, don't give up on Straterra yet, give it some time - it was wonderful for Bryanna until the bruising (but, as I said, neither of her doctors had seen this before), so I would have to consider her one of the "rare few" that experience bad side effects.  Just watch him and remind the pediatrician and the psychologist that this drug is supposed to be checked with blood tests every 3 months or so.  Good luck to you and your child. LRM21638853.537662037Thanks, and the dr never checked his blood yesterday.  I had to pick him up from soccer just now because of a stomachache.  Also, found a note from nurses office that he went there today complaining of a stomachache.  I had a note from his teacher saying he was laying on the floor so tired today.  She actually has a son who is on strattera and said these are the most common side effects of this med.  1st day and not going so good.  He is on 18mg. Was your daughter on this med for mostly hyperactivity too? ThanksWe've all gone through it as well.  Give it a few weeks, and I'm sure you'll see his new side effects wearing off, if not gone.  If not, give the doctor a call and discuss with him.  It may be that it will take a little longer - I know Bryanna had similar side effects at the onset of the Straterra, but they got better after a few weeks and then were gone completely.  The Metadate CD gave her bad stomach aches in the beginning, then they dissipated and every once in a while, it still happens.  It will even out - hang in there!LRM - yes my son did go get blood tests done and then again one month after he starts strattera. They are going to monitor the liver because studies have shown a very small percentage had inflamed livers from strattera but once removed from the drug, the liver was fine. I guess I have to try them just like everyone else, every kid is different.Thanks everyone, it's going to be hard but I guess I'll have to wait a few weeks to see.  His first day on strattera yesterday and he slept 1.5 hours after school.  I don't think he has ever taken a nap before.  He ate absolutely nothing all night either.  He is one who usually eats nonstop.  It is hard to see such a change from one extreme to another.  I guess I'll see what today brings!  Thanks

I know that there is a lot of bad press causing moms and dads to worry about medications and their children. Mostly it's hype but there are always exceptions.

Stratterra's biggest flaw is that its generally not of much use to the general ADHD population.  It's typically used when the stimulants don't work or the worry of side effects (like the tics) is high.  But they've done studies of ritalin and found little to worry about on the tic matter. 

Stratterra is one I tried for a short time and found that it made me very tired and overly focused - to the point where I'd "zone" and not hear things going on around me.  It was disconcerting.

 

Can those who have been on this one or parents of children that are on this one give me some info. I know this one has a ton of warnings but this is the first medicine my son's dr is prescribing because my son is prone to tics and he doesn't want to start him on a stimulant first. I hate the thought of medicating my son but the school is harrassing me and him (in their own manipulating ways), I don't know what else to do. I am tired of fighting them. If it wasn't for the school I wouldn't even consider the meds, I can handle my son just fine.

Any info would be appreciated, I know there is a Strattera board but it is time consuming to go through.

Thank you.

Strattera made our son worse. Sleepiness happens when coming down. School can't force meds and it's your choice to do or not. Some people use a stim/starttera.

Get this kid allergie/ sensativity tested. Can effecting behavior.