Drugs are not the Answer! | ADHD Information
Pharmacy A lady walks into a drug store and tells the pharmacist she needs some cyanide.The pharmacist said, "Why in the world do you need cyanide?"
The lady explained she needed it to poison her husband.
The pharmacist's eyes got big and he said, "Lord have mercy, I can't give you cyanide to kill your husband! That's against the law! They'll throw both of us in jail and I'll lose my license."
Then the lady reached into her purse and pulled out a picture of her husband in bed with the pharmacist's wife and handed it to the pharmacist.
The pharmacist looked at the picture and replied, "Well now, you didn't tell me you had a prescription."[QUOTE=Binformed] Waiter! There is a pen in my soup!
Insider wonders how long it will be before this idea is "hijacked" by a Pharma/PR company as a real part of a viral marketing campaign?
Hat tip: www.waiterrant.net
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You forgot the troll pen - to give to the customer who follows the waiter from table to table SCREAMING in his ear how being a waiter is KILLING HIS KIDS. Making darn sure he cannot serve his patrons but rather has to hear the drivel of a crazy person. The pen will come in handy to stick in his ear to dull the sound of idiocy.
i don't know why but i find that funny too.
we used to have these funny fluffy-headed troll things that you could stick on the end of your pencil when i was at school. i would obviously lose mine in a matter of days but nonetheless - they were quite nice. fluffy long blue hair and big nose and boogly eyes, little squat body with feet that got jammed on the end of your pencil!
Waiter! There is a pen in my soup!
http://pharmagossip.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_pharmagossip_arc hive.html
Waiters are being encouraged to collect all the freebie pharma pens they can lay their hands on.
Then, when they get a "problem customer", the waiter makes a "diagnosis" and subliminally suggest some treatment options with the pen they give the customer to sign the check.
It’s all harmless passive aggressive fun. Here are some ideas:
Give a pen that says…….
Zoloft – Good for the obsessive compulsive guy who double checks the bill 5 times. (OCD)
Lipitor – You just had to have extra cheese with that, right pal? (Cholesterol)
Campral – Maybe you should stop drinking. (Alcoholism)
Paxil – Customer eating alone? (Social Anxiety Disorder)
Viagra – Ladies, sick of the old perv staring at your tits? (Erectile dysfunction)
Zyban – For the customer who bitches about the no smoking rule. (Nicotine Addiction)
Ritalin – Didn’t pay attention while I recited the specials? Bastard. (Adult ADD)
Nexium – But you asked for it spicy sir. (Acid reflux disease)
Propecia – You may have money you rude arrogant bastard - but I have all my hair. (Baldness)
Prozac – sh*t, everybody needs to be taking this one. (Depression)
Ortho-Evra – For the woman with the bratty kids. (Birth control)
Nameda – For customers who forgot what they ordered. (Alzheimer’s)
Enablex – For customer always getting up to take a piss. (Overactive bladder)
Clozaril – Customer says “Do you know who I am?” No I don’t. And I’ll bet he doesn’t either. (Schizophrenia)
Haldol – For the table that thinks the customer is always right. (Anti-psychotic)
Valtrex - For the resident Don Juan/Skank. (Herpes)
Remicade – What customers will need if they f**k with the kitchen staff. (IBS)
Xanax – Bitch, just chill.
Insider wonders how long it will be before this idea is "hijacked" by a Pharma/PR company as a real part of a viral marketing campaign?
Hat tip: www.waiterrant.netMaking my font smaller so as to not annoy anyone. Wow, a lot of responses. First of all, I would like to say that you can believe what you want, it's yourself and your children that have to live with the decisions you make. We all agree to that when we become parents. Please don't bash religious people, that's just not nice. The only reason I came to this site was to gain information, this board is a lot of opinion rather than fact. But it was a nice starting point. I thank you for all your opinions, they are actually helpful. People's testimonies are very informative. I don't have a degree in medicine or anything else, but I have my story, my expirience in helping my child without harmful drugs. I was on drugs for post-partum depression and they were far more harmful than helpful (in my opinion and my Dr's) The effects of a healthy lifestyle were far more beneficial than any drug I tried. My husband has documents about the bad effects from the pertussis vaccine, since you want to tell me I have no proof. And the proof I have of my son's wonderful changes is my son! He is living proof that you don't have to have drugs to live a normal life with ADHD. He has a very large group of friends, he can concentrate on his schoolwork, his academic scores are through the roof, he's tolerant, he's loving, and he's a joy to have in my life. That's my proof. I wish all of you the very best luck and God's Blessings. Take care all!
sunnygrl - you must understand how you come off though.
What if one of us posted a thread that said "DRUGS ARE THE ANSWER"!?! I think you would see that as offensive from your viewpoint.
You make some pretty big claims. One thing you need to get clear is that there is equal responsibility for parents AND doctors. To just get a prescription from a doctor and give it to your child without checking it out is as bad as a doctor not taking the precautions set out in guidelines to him/her. There are set and rigid rules for giving ADHD medication to children and adults.
For stimulant meds (ritalin, adderall, dexedrine, etc.) they are supposed to do a full history (personal and family). They are to check for preexisting heart conditions. When the meds are known to cause trouble to some with liver and other difficulties a blood workup is indicated. They are to bring the patient back in weekly at first - and later no less often than monthly (that's one of the reasons the meds are only allowed to be Rxed monthly). For children (adults should be too) they are to check on weight, general health and blood pressure during the initial stage (for ritalin and stratterra also height and they constantly check weight and height due to a known but rare problem with stunting growth).
If a parent doesn't check out the potential hazards (there is a printout with each medicine and readily available detailed info at most pharmacies and on the web) then they are negligent. A doctor is also negligent if they just write up an Rx and expect the patient to walk away happy.
Also - you make it clear your son is happy and productive med-free. Many children and adults with ADHD no matter how they try and what diet or regimen of exercises they attempt cannot control the ADHD symptoms. What then? Are they to simply suffer?!?
Be clear that the hazards are few and affect a small (16 deaths in total and a mere thousands injured from misdiagnosis/abuse) number of the actual patients using meds. Given a little research and caution the risks are minimal to none. To blanketly tell people not to use an available line of treatment proven to work well is not fair and not warranted.
man - re-reading that all i can think is jones you have WAY too much time on your hands to be worrying about this kinda thing!
sorry glen.
just put it down to waiting, waiting, waiting - for the locations to be sorted, the casting to be re-cast, the funding to be funded and i'm going out for some obviously much needed sunshine! all the best to ya - and really sorry if that came across negative to you. i don't feel that.
i am gonna get off this board for a few weeks - i think i spend way too much time here. faffing about. although i do find it fascinating learning all about it and how it effects people. it's good.
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sunnygrl - you must understand how you come off though.
What if one of us posted a thread that said "DRUGS ARE THE ANSWER"!?! I think you would see that as offensive from your viewpoint.
You make some pretty big claims. One thing you need to get clear is that there is equal responsibility for parents AND doctors. To just get a prescription from a doctor and give it to your child without checking it out is as bad as a doctor not taking the precautions set out in guidelines to him/her.
[/QUOTE]i wish people WOULDN'T get so upset by a title that says drugs are not the answer though. possibly it is offensive but why? anymore than someone saying Adderall has been a lifesaver for me - which equally you find here. and what? the only people who get upset are extremists on either side of the fence. (anti-ritalin probably has a heart attack every time she sees a positive post on the effects of meds. why??? and others here have a heart attack every time they see a post on the negative effects of meds. why???) as long as it is true and not bashing someone else's choice needlessly.
i'm with oldermom in the fact that i find it very peculiar that those who are anti-drugs seems to know so many people who have dropped dead from them (when statistically you have got to have a chance in 15 million or something of actually knowing a child who has died from their meds - or more i guess! i can't be arsed to work out the statistics)
urgh - i always get into this debate. why??? cos i am an idiot.
but i DO think you bring up a really important point --- that people TRUST their doctors to do the right thing far too much. it's like me with my accountant - i give her the information and i just trust that she does the right thing because i don't want to go there, i don't want to have to work that sh*t out - and i trust her.
people believe that doctors are educated and that the moment they put their child in the doctors hands they are absolved of any responsibility because the doctor knows best. the doctor does it all. just trust the doctor. they are taking care of it now.
NOT TRUE!!!!!
if there is one thing that should be put on all med drugs --- it is don't hand over responsibility to your doctor just because your child is on meds. it's fine for those that come from an educated, confident background who feel that they can independently verify and check and research but others who don't understand or don't have the confidence to believe in themselves. they just blindly trust their doctor - i guess what option do they have - and they have been told that that is right.
but it is the one thing that i would want to say. DON'T. don't. don't.
i have friends who were put on SSRIs and when they came off them had terribly bad withdrawal symptoms which were absolutely dismissed by their doctors as 'psychosomatic nonsense' --- because (at that time) it was considered that SSRIs didn't cause withdrawal symptoms. for crying out loud!!!!!!!
just never do it! never hand over responsibility to your doctor in that way. they are busy people, they have many patients, they are not necessarily looking out for the welfare of your child in the way that they should. they just aren't. they may not run the tests they ought - they may not listen and they don't know everything.
that's the freaking warning that should be on the pills!!!
oops was that a rant - AGAIN????
any message is something I'll listen to - the more ways to look at something the better.
BUT
when someone makes a blanket statement - and accuses others of being callous, cold-hearted or even worse killers because of a choice they make it bothers me to an extreme.
When someone puts up "you are killing your kids" or "meds are NOT the answer" they are doing one thing - PROVOKING.
It's been obvious that anti-ritalin and her sidekick sunny_grl04 are not here to either educate or learn but to disseminate their anti-med crusade (I use crusade as it's religiously and propaganda based).
There have been MANY here who say "I think more thinking is needed" or "for me meds weren't the answer" but to say to others that meds kill (they don't - ignorance and undiagnosed problems do) or that others are stupid for their choices is provoking and indicative of the anti-med groups.
You are totally right jonesy - people shouldn't blanketly trust their doctor knows all - any more than they should blanketly trust their accountant (I did - long story but lets say I'm not in business anymore ugh).
Like I mentioned there is a protocol for doctors to follow. People should get themselves educated when getting a new and untried (even just to them) med - get pamphlets and check websites. Be informed consumers (it's still a consumer thing even if medical).
I hear many who seem dumbfounded that their doctor doesn't know about the newest drug - and approves it but sends them away with no help or information. It's obvious that a doctor who is 20 years away from university won't have the latest data in his head. But then you should ask questions! Make your doctor explain (even if it means making him open the guidebook and read about the meds and contraindications).
To just walk away with the Rx is as negligent as the doctor letting you walk away. Both are responsible to a point.
Would you go to your mechanic - get told that a 2000 dollar part is required and not ask why? Would you say "well - I trust him and if he says I need it well then I must!".
You are too right to be suspicious of anyone who claims to know someone who died from ADHD meds usage (other than abuse and overdose which happens a lot). It would be akin to knowing personally every progeria sufferer in north america yet claiming not to be in the progeria support group. FYI progeria is a very rare disorder affecting a handfull of people with a genetic super-aging. The chance of knowing even one is infantissimal.
It just really irks me when claims that are so obviously unfounded to anyone with a simple understanding of ADHD expect me to swallow it hook line and sinker then wonder why I strike back with (gasp) cold hard facts! They bring in info from shysters like "Dr." Breggin, anecdotes from ritalindeath.org and supposed treatments from chiropractors (?), homeopaths and Dr. Phil.
You may note that I never go after annidagostini. She handles herself with an air of respect and always ALWAYS quantifies her statements as being personal experience and doesn't expect everyone to bow to her non-med (not anti-med) approach. THAT garners my respect and I won't ever go after her as long as she remains that wonderful woman she is!
You have made your point (and for the most part respectably humble LOL) and I respect you for it. To each their own. But if you were to say ALL meds are bad and ALL parents who choose it with knowledge and forethought remain stupid and negligent - then I'd be callin' ya a trollie!!!
But if you were to say ALL meds are bad and ALL parents who choose it with knowledge and forethought remain stupid and negligent - then I'd be callin' ya a trollie!!!ya know there's something wrong with that sentence Glen i think - but i can't put my finger on what the frick it is.
it needs someone smarter than me to work it out.
is it that i am almost pushed into defending a position/stance i have never taken? i am not sure.
or is it more that there is some implied right to 'bully'. nobody has the right to bully regardless of whichever partisan viewpoint one has - maybe that is my whole issue here the one that keeps on niggling at me! i understand that the trolls bully and it is not acceptable... but it is equally not acceptable that we bully in return - or that we bully even before someone has proved themselves to be a troll is it? ah well, it is an American board i guess - and there is a recent history of pre-emptive strikes (the UK too - i am not being partisan here)!
go and punch that person in the face because they might be considering punching you and better to be pre-emptive, right????
oh sheesh! why is it that the world seems completely crazy to me. i think it must be me.
it's not at you glen, my confusion --- it's something about the board that keeps on unsettling me. but why should the board conform to the way I think???? no reason at all. i guess it bugs me because i think this is an ADDer board and therefore i i i dont know! had/have different expectations or something - despite all their failings i always want to think ADDers are good deep down, as much as we find it difficult to express it - and so....
i need to get a better sense of humour --- and more kindness and decency. i wish they sold that at Wal-Mart!
hmmmm...
The only thing I will take blame for in the above is it's a run-on. My old english teacher wouldst flog me soundly! LOL!!
I know what you mean - you feel like some on the board (me too I assume) took a pre-emptive heavy-handed approach to the anti-ritalin and sunny posts.
Well, I'll tell you I read them carefully. I took the time to read both content and intent. I realized fast that anti-ritalin was a troll (caps, big font, long long page of heavy-handed anti-med) and left one word. REPORTED.
Look at the responses from anti-ritalin. I mean REALLY look at the flow after the first posting. I tried hard to explain why benzene couldn't be at fault and tried to be as nice as I could. She called me a dirty mouth or something like it and others witches and all sorts of angry talk ensued.
There's only one thing on the forum I simply have to respond fast and hard to - and that's misinformation. She was lying in a big way and sending it (along with hateful and harmful words) to new parents and ADHDers to the board.
Take a good long look. I believe I was as nice as was justified given the circumstance. I only got agressive towards the end when it was very easy to see what the true purpose of it was.
The usual HA HA TRY AND STOP ME. and YOU ALL ARE KILLERS rhetoric cannot simply be debated. It's like trying to fight AM NOT or AM TOO - it's not possible.
I believe I debate well. Perhaps you see it another way. All I know is I will give a lot of rope to anyone here - look at oldtimer. I've lost patience though (who wouldn't?) and now it's down to brass tacks.
don't fret the small stuff jonesy - and don't go away for long k?nooooo, don't give oldtimer a hard time. i like her.and anyway, i think oldtimer maybe a little stressed right now at home and not getting a break and i recognise that that can make me a bit over the top too.
sometimes i feel oldtimer kinda assumes maybe that everyone already knows what she is referring to without stopping to think that in fact one doesn't - and one has to make a leap of logic!
still - hello oldtimer! --- i hope you figured out a way to get a break for yourself!
Why do they always use such large font, like we're all blind. Here I go again. Folks, these are your hosts of these scare tactics. Make no mistake about it. These are not well meaning parents. They are the cultists who don't "believe" psychiatric/neurological disorders exist, as goofy as that viewpoint is (and we know, due to our kids, that they are wrong). This is long but even spot reading or a few paragraphs will give you the idea.
Scientology Versus Medicine He uses a special machine he claims can cure disease. He guarantees a quick cure. He advertises or uses case histories and testimonials. He refuses to accept the proved methods of medical research. He says medical men are persecuting him or are afraid of his competition. He believes that his methods are better than surgery, x-rays, or drugs. He uses high sounding titles easily confused with qualified scientific professionals and organizations. -- "How to Spot a Medical Quack" by the American Medical Association.{1}
Although Scientologists claim that they are not in competition with medical fields, much Scientology energy has been devoted in the past few years to attacking doctors, and especially psychiatrists. Hubbard and Scientology have never been too fond of the medical profession. Eric Barnes, Public Relations Chief of the New York Church allegedly told writer Howard Eisenberg about a boy whose broken leg had healed in two weeks instead of six through Scientology. Barnes was said to have claimed that doctors were so skeptical, "they broke it again to investigate the phenomenon."{2}
Scientologists are not permitted to take aspirins before auditing,{3} or "receive any `treatment' `guidance' or `help' from anyone in the `healing arts' i.e., physicians or dentists without consent,"{4} except in extreme emergencies when no one in the Church can be reached.{5} But Hubbard's feelings toward doctors and psychiatrists are a bit ambivalent, because while railing against them, he offers a fifty percent reduction to any doctor or psychiatrist taking a Scientology course.{6} Since Scientologists are not supposed to "mix Scientology with any other practice," his goal appears to be to get them to become Scientologists.{7}
Hubbard is convinced, actually obsessed with the delusion, that psychiatrists kill or torture their patients with electric shock treatment, use them sexually, and never ever help them. Hubbard wrote, "We have never found one person cured by psychiatrists, not one. If they call, as they do, anyone who disagrees with them insane, then those who agree with this human butchery should wear a swastika arm band so we can recognize them."{8}
Hubbard's hostility to the medical profession was apparent in the first story he wrote for Astounding Science Fiction in the late 1930's. The story told about a man who had the two halves of his brain sewn up by doctors. At the beginning, with one glance the man could heal anything. Later this miracle of surgery boomeranged and the man could kill with the same glance. In other words, the doctors had given him an evil eye. This hostility also goes back to his first book. Below is a portion of an alleged case study:
... the mental hospital gets our patient and the doctors there decide that all he needs is a good solid series of electric shocks to tear his brain up, and if that doesn't work, a nice ice-pick into each eyeball after and during electric shock.... Our patient can't defend himself; he's insane and the insane have no rights, you know.
Only the cavalry ... arrived in the form of Dianetics....{9} Although Scientologists claim they are not in competition with analysts, they have tried to lure people away from them: "A complete Freudian analysis can cost ,000-,000. Better results can be achieved in Scientology for 5, and on a group basis for a few dollars."{10} But their primary method of diverting people from psychiatrists and psychotherapy is not so subtle. Scientologists have actively tried to discredit their "competition," and in a manner so libelous that it is hard to believe that the epithets and accusations Scientologists hurl come from the same group that once sued everyone else for libel.
Nonetheless, the Scientologists blithely refer to members of what they call "the weird cult of psychiatry"{11} -- although Scientologists say that they resent being called a "cult" -- as "psychoracketeers," "insidious psychopoliticians," "mental con men," "frauds," "pimps," etc.,{12} who spend their time "giving away free supplies of marijuana and LSD,"{13} "banding together with the Better Business Bureau to stop Scientology,"{14} "killing, maiming and torturing helpless patients,"{15} "castrating them," and practicing "mental murder and sexual perversion" [sic].{16}
In a memo to a private investigator, urging him to investigate psychiatrists, Hubbard allegedly wrote:
A psychiatrist today has the power to take a fancy to a woman, drug or shock her into temporary insanity, use her sexually, sterilize her to prevent conception, kill her by a brain operation to prevent disclosure....{17} In "A Warning to Brain Butchers," his language was even stronger. Hubbard telegraphed the following "news" to the New York Scientology headquarters to tell them his views on psychiatrists.
THEIR 19TH CENTURY METHODS MUST END. THEY ACT LIKE THE MAD SCIENTISTS IN A BAD MOVIE. THE TRUE MEDICAL DOCTOR IS ASHAMED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. THE PSYCHIATRIC IDEA OF MAN IS A GODLESS SOULLESS PIECE OF MEAT.[*] THEY DEMAND THEIR RIGHTS TO BUTCHER AT WILL. THEY MOCK CHRISTIAN SENTIMENT. ACCORDING TO THEM EVERYONE IS HOPELESSLY MAD AND ANYONE WHO OPPOSES THEM IS ESPECIALLY SO. YET WHERE ARE THEIR CURES? THEY ONLY HAVE VICTIMS. THEY TORTURE AND KILL OUT OF SIGHT IN THEIR INSTITUTIONS. SCIENTOLOGY ORGANIZATIONS OVER THE PLANET ARE URGING LAWS WHICH FORBID KILLING OR INJURING THE INSANE. MURDER IS MURDER.{18} Besides being murderers, madmen, butchers, etc., the Scientologists also accuse psychiatrists of working with the government to control the populace:
Using their connections with government "giveaway" agencies, the psychoracketeers are being provided with billions ... as well as free supplies of marijuana and LSD with which to continue their "research" on helpless psychiatric victims deprived of their rights by laws passed by these same insidious psychopoliticians.
By educating the public that everyone needs mental health treatment, they hope to be able to control the morals, mores and the lives of the entire nation.{19} Scientologists believe that the psychiatrist's ultimate goal is "domination of every man, woman and child through the use of `mental health' indoctrination programs even now being promoted and promulgated down to a prenatal level." The last words are an interesting slip, since it is the Scientologists and not the psychiatrists who believe that the prenatal period is so important.
Scientologists are not just sitting back and waiting for people to join them in their crusade against the "killers." They are actively soliciting people in America, England and Australia who have undergone "serious mental or physical abuse or damages at the hands of psychiatric frauds" to contact their nearest Church of Scientology and make a full report to their Human Rights Commission.{20}
They will probably find people willing to do so, especially since those who have been hospitalized might prefer to believe that psychiatric treatment was the cause of their problems rather than the result of it, exonerating themselves of all responsibility. The result of this campaign, though, could have an unfortunate effect for the Scientologists. Inviting people who have had psychiatric treatment or been institutionalized to join them in their crusade may make Scientology the world's largest out-patient clinic for mentally disturbed people.
Scientology is also fighting the mental health movements with litigation, and they claim they have filed or are ready to file, million worth of suits against psychiatric organizations and others over the world "in the international conspiracy against Scientology for libel, slander, conspiracy and psychiatric efforts to destroy the Church."
Scientologists have said that if they won the suits and all the money was paid up, it would make Scientology among the richest of religious organizations. They pointed out that all damage monies are tax free, and said that the money would be used to try to "straighten out some of the horror psychiatry has made in the field of mental healing."{21} Although they have not outlined how this would be done, presumably it would be attempted with Scientology techniques.
Scientology is also fighting the mental health field by trying to change the laws. They claim to be preparing an Anti-Butchery Bill for introduction into Congress.{22} The purpose of this bill is to make it a felony to use psychiatry, psychology, drugs, or shock treatment to change any individual's religious, philosophical or political ideas.
From this last statement, along with many others, it is apparent that Scientology, which started during the McCarthyite '50's is still gravely concerned with the menace of Communism{23} and the dangers of secret brainwashing -- even though one of the questions on their own security test reads "Are you in disagreement with any of the stable data of Scientology?"{24}
The Australian Report dealt with the question of whether or not Scientology was a form of brainwashing. It said that "The Board heard expert psychiatric evidence that repetitive questions and repetitive commands increase suggestibility and, if continued long enough, may reach the point where indoctrination could be effected, and a reversal of opinions and ideas previously held could be obtained."
The Australian Board was also disturbed to find that Scientology techniques closely resemble those set out in a book entitled Brainwashing which is supposed to be "A Synthesis of the Communist Textbooks on Psychopolitics."{25} They claimed that evidence was presented to indicate "that the English version of the manual bears a startling resemblance to Hubbard's own literary style." But they stated that it was immaterial whether or not he wrote the book "as was suggested by a witness hostile to Scientology." What was important to them was that Scientologists "assiduously sold and distributed this manual." In fact, one of the exhibits brought to the Board was an extract from the Brainwashing manual with Scientology words substituted. "With these substitutions effected, the extracts were in the main startlingly applicable to Scientology as operating in Victoria."
Scientologists are also fighting mental health organizations by allying themselves with Churches, and working on a campaign to get psychiatric patients to see their "pastor" instead of a psychiatrist.{26} They have quoted Dr. Karl Menninger, co-founder of the famous Menninger clinic, who allegedly said that many people who go to psychiatrists should take their problems instead to a "minister of religion."{27} If Menninger did say this, it is extremely doubtful that he was referring to Scientology, especially since his brother, the late Dr. William Menninger, once said that Hubbard's systems and ideas "can potentially do a great deal of harm."{28}
The Scientologists have also tried to fight the mental health movement by what appears to be simply trying to take it over.{29} In England, a number of Scientologists made an attempt to fill the vacancies in the National Association of Mental Health, most notably David Gaiman to fill the post of Chairman, after the retirement of Lord Balniel.
In addition, Scientologists flooded the association with applications for membership. They might have made it, except that NAMH members became suspicious as they received 250 applications instead of their normal rate of about twenty a month. Furthermore, it was noticed that almost all of the two guinea postal orders were issued by the East Grinstead Post Office.
The National Association of Mental Health wrote letters asking the Scientologists to resign (according to David Gaiman they were "expelled"), and Gaiman, the Scientology spokesman in England, offered to withdraw if the Association instituted certain reforms. Eventually the Scientologists managed to stop the annual meeting of the NAMH while they paraded outside, asking for, among other things, a public inquiry into conditions in mental hospitals.
What is the Scientologist's goal in all this? Is the crusade of this "Church" against a nonreligious field based on a sincere abhorrence of its methods? Are they really so concerned about conditions in mental hospitals, since, after all, they claim Scientologists have never been there, and for that matter, never end up there?
Is it an attempt to discredit their "competition" so that people will go to Scientologists instead? Is it a vindictive act to get back at groups whose criticism against them seems to be quite mild, if one considers what the Scientologists have had to say about them? Is there some psychiatric history in Hubbard's own past that has caused this incredible vendetta? Or are they anxious to divert attention away from inquiries into Scientology by trying to get an inquiry into conditions in mental hospitals? It is true that attacks against psychiatry have intensified as public inquiries into Scientology have been established. Hubbard wrote the following in Freedom:
Instead of attacking Churches and independent research, Governments should ... inquire into the abuses ... by psychiatry.... For psychiatric organizations to criticize Scientology is the most fantastic hypocrisy on Earth. These men are not healers, they are trained killers.{30} Perhaps their reasons for wanting an inquiry into mental hospitals are really altruistic. Lest anyone doubt this, they have offered to sit in on the inquiry, and possibly contribute, "as part of our charitable work."{31}
Mental health organizations have taken an amazingly tolerant view of the whole situation, probably hoping that like the plague, the Scientologists will eventually disappear. They may also fear that if they attack Scientology they might give it publicity and draw more attention to it.
Thus, if someone calls and asks the American Psychiatric Association whether to go into Scientology or psychiatry, they do not try to convert them to psychiatry. Instead they sometimes send them Scientological literature against psychiatry, hoping that they would be appalled at the epithets and accusations and make a decision from that.{32} The following quote from the American Psychiatric Association's lively Psychiatric News is not the official policy of the APA, but it presents one opinion of how to handle this situation:
Well, it's a religion of course. It is for you to decide whether to join the Church. If you wonder whether it has anything to do with psychiatric treatment the answer is no. You might also like to know that it costs a significant sum to be "processed" in the Church. And if you would like my personal opinion as a fellow American, I wouldn't be caught dead entering its doors.{33}
Contents | Next | Previous | Index {1} first quote [263] [QUOTE=chell]www.getalife.com [/QUOTE] CHELL!!! you are great!!! thanks for joining. You fit right in and frankly i'm glad to meet you! btw - does the "b" in binformed mean "be" or "badly"? I am just not sure any more. [QUOTE=chell]www.getalife.com [QUOTE=anti-ritalin] [QUOTE=ogram] watch out ladies, anti-ritalin might freak out and start calling names again. Want to prove us wrong? Why don't you search the net, find newspaper article or a Legit Medical research facility about ANYONE dying or your child having cancer because of ritalin. Not bogus info from your ridiculous web sites you have your blinders on for. Then we will talk about the reality you claim is true. so, happy hunting. [/QUOTE] I found some thing that you might find helpful. I am sure you will find it offensive, but you are offensive to us by name calling and the total lack of control you have over your own feelings and injecting them on me and others, so here are a few links for you to help with you anger problem. http://www.supportline.org.uk/problems/angerManagement.php http://www.apa.org/topics/controlanger.html http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17501 http://board.rapbasement.com/forumdisplay.php?f=112 I hope these are of some help for you in finding your inner peace. calling others names just discredits your self. But, it's very typical with the way you started out here. I wish you good luck, and that you resolve the issues that are eating at you. RESPECT IS EARNED NOT TAKEN Sunygirl, sorry your thread got way off topic. I apologize for my part. I really am interested in hearing back from you on the death of that boy from the ADHD meds. Would you post back what you find out? Also, I believe it is the Finegold diet you have your family on? How is it working for you? Have you checked out the things that have been tossed around in the Alternatives section of this board? Lots of great ideas to share there too. Some have had questions on the Finegold diet in the past. You might post there what it is doing for your family so that others can benefit from your experience with it. i am also interestd in the diet side of it but find it hard to stick with it,must be my ADD SOMETIMES I GIVE SOMETHING TO JUDE AND THINK AFTERWARDS I MAYBE SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT Diets are REAL hard. Hard to follow anyways, then, hard to make the school comply, at friend's houses, at church, at parties, at family gatherings, dad. Kid's just are not in our presence too much of the time. We had a time of it with the wheat and dairy when my kiddo was very small. That is why I'd like to hear how sunygirl is doing, keeping her kids on the diet, especially when they are out of sight. My son felt cheated and left out so much. He didn't care if those foods made him sick. I cooked a lot of for him, and sent his own lunches that pretty followed the school menu, and took in goodies just for him when there were class parties. But he still goofed, and I could sure tell. The whole deal made him lie a lot too. I couldn't blame him though. Being a kid is so tough. Why are you guys stuck on autism? There are a MYRIAD of reactions to vaccines; most of them are NOT autism. Glenny. ( I say that affectionately in a healthy debating way). Did you guys check out the website?? Did you know that vaccinations do not always work? In numerous communities having measles outbreaks, the individuals WERE immunized??? The most telling evidence that this whole immunization fear is overblown is in Europe where they have banned thimerosal since the mid-80s. The incidences of autism in children there has remained the same. You'd think that if autism could be caused by thimerosal that you'd see a marked decrease over 20 years wouldn't you? The risk of getting a lethal or crippling disease by not immunizing is far far greater than all the potential minor risks put together. But that would admit that these non-immunizers don't mind risking killing their kids. How's that feel you guys? Being called murderers because you risk killing your children with german measels and other preventable childhood diseases? Hmm???? [QUOTE=Luvmykids02]Just a question but isnt't one of the requirements for entering public school that the child has to have had all the required vaccinations? Its been so long for my kids that my memory fails me.[/QUOTE] Yes, it is a requirement, however one can obtain waivers. (For health, relegious, personal reasons) You have to beg, plead and cajole to get the freaking forms though. Nobody knows about them. I've taught a few administrators a thing or two about the waivers....... If there is an outbreak of anything in the school, they do have the right to pull un-immunized children out (to protect them) until it subsides. And, I don't know HOW in the world people think that my child is putting others at risk (like pregnant women) by NOT being vaccinated. He's only a risk to himself. Geez. Immunized individuals are not protected by vaccinations. They can still get the sicknesses. Bad batches, they just don't work all the time, etc. A vaccination is not insurance one will not get sick. An interesting tidbit: "The only cases of polio in the US are cased by the live oral polio vaccine." //http://www.909shot.com/Kids/terry.htm However, the use of OPV was discontinued in 2000. Here is the home site of the National Vaccine Information Center. Here, you can find all of the reported cases of vaccine reactions and deaths. And there are oodles upon oodles upon oodles. I think it's must reading before any kind of vaccination, so that one can make an educated informed decision. You WILL NOT hear it from your doctor. //http://www.909shot.com Sorry, you all got me on my antit-vaccine tangent. It really bothers me when people make statements like the initial poster. It is heresay and that would never hold up in court, why should it hold up here? In fact none of these statements about vaccines made on this thread should be given a second thought. Cut and Paste from the FDA http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm#q1 Under the FDA Modernization Act (FDAMA) of 1997, FDA carried out a comprehensive review of the use of thimerosal in childhood vaccines. Conducted in 1999, this review found no evidence of harm from the use of thimerosal as a vaccine preservative, other than local hypersensitivity reactions. .............................. In 2004, the IOM's Immunization Safety Review Committee again examined the hypothesis that vaccines, specifically the MMR vaccines and thimerosal containing vaccines, are causally associated with autism. In this report, the committee incorporated new epidemiological evidence from the U.S., Denmark, Sweden, and the United Kingdom, and studies of biologic mechanisms related to vaccines and autism that had become available since its report in 2001. The committee concluded that this body of evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, and that hypotheses generated to date concerning a biological mechanism for such causality are theoretical only. Further, the committee stated that the benefits of vaccination are proven and the hypothesis of susceptible populations is presently speculative, and that widespread rejection of vaccines would lead to increases in incidences of serious infectious diseases like measles, whooping cough and Hib bacterial meningitis. Everything I found with a opposing view are sites with an agenda and not one solid study to back them up. [QUOTE=julie339326]One alternative to vaccinating your children as infants (when the vaccinations have the greatest chance to possibly contribute to autism) is to refuse vaccinations until they are 3 or older and then vaccinate them at that time. I know several people who have done this. I wish that I had done it with my toddler...... I wouldn't be wondering now about whether they contributed to/caused the problems he has right now.[/QUOTE] Yes, I think that's usually the suggestion, is to wait until the gentle immune system is a bit stronger. However, one of the persons I know that died, had gotten his vaccinations, I believe, in his late teens, early twenties. I GUESS IT IS MORE DANGEROUS THEN,MORE COMPLICATIONS. I also believe it is worse to get an childhood ilness as an adult but i could be wrong. everything is supposed to be dangerous nowadays even eating,i just live my life as i want and hope for the best.i could be hit by a bus tomorrow I could claim I went to a seminar. I could claim I know a child who killed himself due to ADHD (I'm sure it happens). The truth is, I don't believe the claims made here. It's interesting how one person has two catastrophes related to things she doesn't believe in (meds and vaccinations). I'm 52 and very few kids were even prescribed Ritalin when I went to school. How could they have had massive studies on it? ADHD was barely recognized back then. I knew no kids on meds for it. As for extreme aggression just disappearing because of dietary changes, I don't really believe that either. Am I pro med? No. I'm pro treating your own child as an individual and doing what is best for that particular child. There are consequences to any treated or lack thereof when a child has a disorder and alternatives often don't work. If they do, great, but it won't always happen. Sunny has four posts. Probably one of the anti-meds from the past to return. They seem to come in waves with their scare stories that can't ever be verified. [QUOTE=OlderMom]No proof the shots cause anything, let alone autism. It came up because there are some vocal advocates who believe autism is caused by shots, however there is no proof. In fact, researchers only agree that they don't know and most believe it has many different causes. ADHD is the same Nobody knows what causes it or if there is only one cause. If everyone agreed not to vaccinate our kids, we wouldn't have to worry about ADHD. We'd have to worry about quick deaths by many different diseases that have basically been wiped out or miminzed to almost nothing. Vaccinations sort of cushions the few unvaccinated kids from the gruesome deaths from other times. [/QUOTE] OlderMom, yes sorry but shots do cause something. DEATH. I know of two people PERSONALLY who died from shots. TWO. I know the debate on autism and shots. That's a sketchy one, I do agree. I am led to believe that the shots can trigger an already weak immune system, and target a somehow already comprimized individual to cause the incident or reaction. Thing is, again, we don't know that until it is too late. I do admit I agree with your last statment too. My son is sheltered under the umbrella. If things were different, I might think different. But for now, that's where I am at. I think your kid's awfully cute. At least we can thank A-R for NOT using big bold letters today. Evidently she calmed down a bit. [QUOTE=anti-ritalin]You go girl! You tell em! Course' they won't listen cause they're all thick headed. They actually think your me, ha! Cause, see...they hate everybody who is anti-ritalin. They're moderators and reporters! Ha! They'll let the good die young and enjoy it. They're quite Sick really, and theres no talking to them.[/QUOTE] Who are you saying who thinks who is who????? I admit I got on my vaccination soapbox, but I would never tell anyone NOT to do it. That is a personal parental decision. Sunygirl has a different style too. I don't think she is you either. If you are saying they think you are me, I don't think so! Our styles and stories are way too different. And I don't care if anyone listens or not. I didn't at first either. I had my son vaccinated up through 9 months, when the information started pouring in about adverse reactions. I had NEVER heard of anything like this from my doctor who administered them. I just want people to KNOW about the information, and to try to correct and challenge misconceptions in a healthy debating way. Sorry GlenW. And here's an outbreak of pertussis in California: Studies have yet to show any obvious reason for the increases [in pertussis outbreak in CA]. No significant outbreaks have been traced to the children of parents who oppose childhood vaccination. "We've looked, and we can't see any obvious connection,'' Woodfill said. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/12/15/ BAGH2G860V1.DTL We all should be able to sit still and read through this crap. I'm not ADHD, and still cannot do it. LOL. it is scary is it you think you are protecting your kids but maybe you are not. whatever you do they are still at risk Here is a link from the CDC about the outbreak in Maricopa County, where some of the individuals who contracted measles, WERE appropriately vaccinated. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000686.htm http://www.tldm.org/News6/ritalin.htm | Home - Latest News | Introduction | Bayside Prophecies | Directives from Heaven | Order Form | Testimonies | Veronica Lueken | Miraculous Photos | Bible | Radio Program | “The minds of your children are being destroyed and distorted by the use of mind-controlling agents from hell. And I say from hell, My children, because it is the diabolical plan of satan to control the minds of your children.” - Our Lady of the Roses, October 6, 1977 “Your children are being educated for the use of these drugs.” - Our Lady of the Roses, June 18, 1987 Dr. Peter Breggin, one of the foremost experts on the dangers of prescription drugs, writes: In the 1970s, there was a public uproar, outraged books, and congressional hearings about one hundred thousand children being prescribed Ritalin. Now hardly anyone remembers that controversy. Instead, millions of children are taking stimulant drugs with hardly any outcry at all.[1] Estimates vary widely, but the total number of children on Ritalin has been estimated between 6 and 8 million children or more in 2000. The United States accounts for 90% of the world’s consumption of Ritalin, which prompted the International Narcotics Control Board to issue a warning in February of 1995 which deplored the fact that “10-12 percent of all boys between the ages of 6 and 14 in the United States have been diagnosed as having ADD and are being treated with methylphenidate [Ritalin].” The board raised concerns about doctors’ seeking “easy” solutions to “behavioral problems which may have complex causes.” It also drew attention to the “promotional practices” that were leading to the overprescription of Ritalin in our country. ADHD and Ritalin Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) is the “disorder” that supposedly accounts for so many children having trouble in school and posing disciplinary problems to adults. Ritalin is promoted as the “cure” for this condition, on the basis that ADHD is a “biochemical imbalance” in the brain that is fixed by the “magic bullet” of Ritalin. But is ADHD a real physical disease? Can it be scientifically identified? There is no physical test that can detect the supposed existence of ADHD. There are no specific physical symptoms associated with it. The ADHD diagnosis is made by comparing the child’s behaviors with a description of the disorder as defined and accepted by experts and practitioners in the field.[2] Dr. Breggin also writes: There are no objective diagnostic criteria for ADHD—no physical symptoms, no neurological signs, and no blood tests. Despite claims to the contrary, there are no brain scan findings and no biochemical imbalances. No physical tests can be done to verify that a child has ADHD.[3] Gerald Golden, a professor of pediatrics and neurology, put it bluntly: “Attempts to define a biological basis for ADHD have been consistently unsuccessful. The neuroanatomy of the brain, as demonstrated by neuroimaging studies, is normal. No neuropatholical substrate has been demonstrated….”[4] A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present: (1) often loses temper, (2) often argues with adults, (3) often actively defies or refuses to comply with adult requests or rules, (4) often deliberately annoys people, (5) often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehaviors, (6) is often touchy or easily annoyed by others, (7) is often angry and resentful, (8) is often spiteful or vindictive.[8] No physical cause is described but only behavioral conflict and anger. Dr. Breggin notes that the above diagnosis is merely eight ways to say a child is angry. Drug companies and Ritalin It should alert any parent’s attention that, with virtually no understanding of the long-term effects of stimulant drugs such as Ritalin, these drugs were heavily advertised by the drug companies for the treatment of problem children. There are enormous sums of money involved in the development and marketing of prescription drugs. Leon Eisenberg, a professor of psychiatry and social medicine at Harvard Medical School, says that the sale of Ritalin and other stimulant drugs for children are “driven by the convenience of the doctor, the profitability of the drug company, and the notion that there is nothing more meaningful to life than biochemistry.”[11] Sedating effect of Ritalin Dr. Breggin notes that “In today’s society, the drugging of children to control their behavior is viewed as a medical activity, but it has little or nothing to do with the genuine practice of medicine.”[12] He also warns that Ritalin is being used to medicate children into submission. This observation is similar to that made in the book Not in Our Genes, which reported that in the use of Ritalin, … higher doses simply result in sedation—yet in school use it is the higher doses that tend to be employed.[13] This makes the drug yet one more version of the chemical straightjacket, ensuring that the teacher has an easier task in maintaining classroom order, but only by doping out the children who would otherwise make it harder.[14] Dr. Breggin accuses our school system of waging a “war on children” in which schools are selectively suppressing some of the most intelligent, brave, energetic, and creative children. He writes: There’s a war against children going on in our schools and the most outstanding of our children are the first to be targeted for control by drugs. We’re using drugs the way gardeners use herbicides to destroy weeds—except these toxins are aimed at the flowering of our children. Schools are not the only institutions that encourage the drugging of children. Controlling children with psychiatric medications is rampant in foster homes and in any institutional setting, such as juvenile detention centers and prisons, where docility is valued.[15] He also accuses indiscriminate use of dangerous drugs on children as a form of “technological child abuse” and laments the fact that many of his colleagues in the medical profession could stem the tide of this abuse, but have not: The psychiatric diagnosing and drugging of children should be viewed as a form of technological child abuse—conformity enforced by physical suppression of the brain. I do not blame the millions of parents and teachers who have been hoodwinked by organized psychiatry and medicine. Instead, I hold my colleagues responsible for this national catastrophe, especially those mental health professionals who enjoy leadership roles in professional associations, universities, government agencies, and industry. I call upon them to find the courage to stand up on behalf of children. The combined efforts of a relatively small but ethical fraction of the health profession could stem the tide of medical child abuse.[16] Ritalin: a dangerous drug There is no evidence that Ritalin has any beneficial long-term effects. In a study done by R. Weiss and his scientific colleagues, hyperactive children who had been treated with Ritalin for up to five years, and compared them to similarly hyperactive children who had not had drug treatment.[17] They fully expected to see a beneficial drug effect. But they reported “no differences in adolescence between the drugged and the undrugged children in school marks, in number of grades failed, in amount of hyperactivity, or in antisocial behavior. The problems of organically hyperactive children seemed to linger on, whether or not they had been drugged.”[18] … do not ‘normalize’ the brain; they render it abnormal. This cannot be over-emphasized: Stimulants produce pathological malfunctions in the child’s brain. Whenever these drugs have any direct effect on the child’s mind or behavior, they do so by disrupting brain function. In short, effective doses of Ritalin always cause malfunctions in the brain.[20] This drug-induced brain disruption is the “robotic effect” sometimes observed in children taking Ritalin. A little known fact is that drug addicts are frequently using Ritalin. By 1973 G.S. Omenn noted: Illicit traffic in Ritalin has increased among narcotic addicts… Those on Methadone appreciate the “up” effect of Ritalin. Those on heroin can prolong the duration of action of a given dose of heroin by concommitantly taking Ritalin… In Chicago’s Cook County Prison, Ritalin is called “West Coast” by the heroin addicts.[23] Other physical effects of Ritalin include brain shrinkage, according to a 1986 report by Henry A. Nasrallah: A team led by Henry A. Nasrallah (1986) from Ohio State found shrinkage of the brain more than 50% of twenty-four young adults with hyperactivity since childhood. Shrinkage—or the more technical term, atrophy—indicates that brain tissue has become withered and reduced in volume.[24] Ritalin has also been proven to effect growth in children: Dozens of studies have demonstrated that Ritalin disrupts the normal cycle of growth hormone production in the body. By the mid 1970s, the effect of Ritalin in disrupting growth hormone levels in most subjects was already “unequivocal.” The adverse effect on growth hormone is so regular and predictable that it can be used as a measure of whether or not the Ritalin is active in the child’s body.[25] Additionally, Ritalin use can affect future career choices of children. The Department of Defense has an official policy of turning away all recruits who have taken Ritalin or other similar drugs after the age of twelve.[26] But Dr. Breggin’s warning about Ritalin are not based merely on compromised career choices; he considers Ritalin a toxic agent that should be illegal: “I believe it is abusive and I think it should be illegal. It harms the brain of the child and undermines any hope of a peaceful, loving resolution of the conflicts the child is having with other people.”[27] Parents, teachers and Ritalin Dr. Breggin brings up a very important, but often answered, question regarding the ADHD diagnosed child. As was noted above, the ADHD diagnosis appears to be eight ways to say the child in question is angry. But why is the child angry? He says “In my own experience, extreme behaviors in children are always matched by extreme deprivations, provocations, or confusions in their lives.”[28] The curious thing about the ADHD diagnosis is that the crux of the problem is put entirely on the child, as if the child had no external problems or valid reasons for his anger. But this is over-simplistic. In fact, it is very suspicious that parents, teachers and others are left out of the “diagnostic loop.”[29] The most despairing and violent of our children reflect the underlying disorder of the society: the alienation and abandonment of our children. We must utterly reject the idea that the problem lies in our children’s brains or bodies, or that we need to focus on diagnosing individual children. Instead we need to identify the breakdown of relationship with our children in our homes, schools, and community, and then to come together as adults dedicated to making ourselves and our institutions more able to serve the needs of our children.[38] Sweeping children under the “drug rug” rather than attending to children’s individual needs is not the answer. Too often, society has “turned to medicating them into silence so that we don’t have to deal with their pain.”[39] Dr. Breggin, who has been frequently successful in working with such emotionally and behaviorally disturbed children, emphasizes the fact that: Psychiatric drugs simply subdue children’s signs of suffering. Suppressing our children’s emotional signals with toxic agents not only harms them, it delays our recognition of the larger environmental stressors in the family, school, and community.[40] Dr. Breggin also firmly believes that parents “should never allow anyone, not even medical doctors, to give their children psychoactive (mind-altering) drugs for the control of emotions or behavior.”[41] Real solutions will not be found in drugging children into submission. It is said that the moral health of a country can be measured by how it treats its most vulnerable citizens. Given such unethical treatment of children, our country appears to be spiritually very, very sick. It is well to ponder these words by Dr. Breggin: The drugging of children for behavior control should raise profound spiritual, philosophical, and ethical questions about ourselves as adults and about how we view the children in our care. Society ignores these critical questions at great peril to itself, to its values, and to the well-being of its children.[42] Directives from Heaven... http://www.tldm.org/directives/directives.htm D89 - Sin Articles... Drugs vs. personal responsibility Responsibility and the dangers of a mistaken idea of freedom Links... FDA: 51 attention drug patients died, Reuters, February 8, 2006 Peter Breggin responds to the AMA on Ritalin Testimony Before the Subcommittee Investigating Ritalin Teen says antidepressants led to slayings, My Way News, December 4, 2004 | Home - Latest News | Introduction | Bayside Prophecies | Directives from Heaven | Order Form | Miracles & Cures | Veronica Lueken | Miraculous Photos | Bible | Radio Program | We encourage everyone to print or email copies of this web page to all the Bishops and all the clergy. Also, send this page to as many people as possible. The electronic form of this document is copyrighted. [1] Dr. Peter R. Breggin, Reclaiming Our Children: A Healing Plan for a Nation in Crisis, 273-274. [2][2] Dr. Peter R. Breggin, Talking Back to Ritalin: What Doctors aren’t telling you about stimulants for your children, 121. did any of these people realise some of us have ADD,we can not read so much,not that i wanted to anyway i think anti retilin is a pussycat compared to this new one. I CAN'T STAND RELIGIOUS NUTS Blood test and urine tests show whats is in your body. I am not anti med I just y think the child is being forced in a learning style that doesnt fit them. Oldtimer wrote: Blood test and urine tests show whats is in your body. I am not anti med I just y think the child is being forced in a learning style that doesnt fit them Oldtimer, perhaps you need to understand the function of medication and also the difference between learning problems as opposed to a problem with learning. As far as learning styles, children with Adhd fit very well into a traditional learning style and the reason they have a problem fitting in is because they are highly distracted and lack focus. What they are forced to do is sit and pay attention. ADHD'ers have a learning problem due to high distractability, a lack of focus whereas a child with a learning disability has a problem with learning so therefore, have to be taught in a different way. That's the distinction. Children that have ADHD dont have to learn in a different way but rather they have to have tasks broken down for them and constantly be redirected. Children with learning disabilities have to be taught in a different way as they have difficulty grasping concepts, ADHD children dont as they are able to grasp the concept of what they are being taught no matter what the learning style is. ADHD is not an academic problem but rather a problem with lack of focus, hyperactivity and a high level of distractibility and that is what causes the academic problems, not an inability to grasp concepts in a traditional learning manner Once the child is on effective medication and they are seeing maximum benefit, the medication allows them to meet their full potential as they are no longer distracted and lacking in focus. It doesn't make them smarter and it doesn't make them calmer. They seem calmer because they are no longer distracted and bouncing off the walls. Once the hyperactivity factor is elliminated, they are not calm, they are focused so therefore, their thoughts are not all over the map. When the child succeeds, its the child that deserves the credit, not the medication as the function of the medication does not allow them to be the best rather but do their personal best. When people give advice or opinions, they need to do their homework and know their subject otherwise their opinions and advice are very misguided and highly lacking in accurate information. U.S. House overwhelmingly passed a bill 407-12 barring schools from requiring hyperactive children to use drug treatments as a condition for attending classes. This bill was designed to curb reports of school officials telling parents that disruptive kids must begin drug treatment for ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) in order to attend school. National Alliance against Mandated Mental Health Screening & Psychiatric Drugging of Children is a caring organization dedicated to informing the public about ADHD and other psychiatric conditions often misdiagnosed because of underlying health conditions and learning differences which are often overlooked. Many times if a child is having difficulties, the school will be quick to do a psychological evaluation which can lead to a mental diagnosis and psychotropic medications. This has caused many children to be misdiagnosed with a psychiatric diagnosis which requires lethal psychotropic medications. Doctors often rely on teachers to identify disruptive behaviors in class they feel can be signs of ADHD - attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. We feel it is only fair that a child suffering from underlying health conditions and learning differences are checked out by a professional and that the issues at hand be addressed. What many teachers don’t realize is there are many underlying health conditions and learning differences often misdiagnosed as an subjective disorder like ADHD. A few common underlying health conditions and learning differences often misdiagnosed as ADHD are food allergies, hidden food sensitivities, preservatives & food dyes. Some spinal problems can cause ADHD like symptoms because if the spine is not connected to the brain properly nerves from the spinal cord can give the brain all of signals at once making a child rambunctious and always on the go. Children are misdiagnosed because of hearing problems like middle ear infections or auditory processing disorder. Ear, Nose, and Throat (ENT) Specialist and/or Audiologist: Because ear, nose and throat infections can affect a child's ability to learn - and because signs of hearing loss often impact listening and attention behaviors - an ENT Specialist or Audiologist may be called upon to rule out non-ADHD problems. Children who have had a history of ear infections or chronic middle ear fluid are at a higher risk for having difficulties in auditory perception and processing. Auditory Processing Disorder (APD), previously known as Central Auditory Processing Disorder (CAPD) is often misunderstood because it can be confused with certain learning disabilities and ADHD. It has been found in past research that psychostimulants cause brain atrophy - (Shrinkage) they have tried to prove the difference between a normal brain and an ADHD brain based on This theory. The research failed to reveal the truth because those with brain atrophy had used psychostimulants prier to the research and the damage was already done. If your child has never been exposed to psychostimulants like Ritalin, there would be no atrophy and chances are your child would be considered to have a normal brain by a neurologist which would rule out ADHD. Some Osteopathic Physicians are dedicated to finding the underlying health conditions and learning differences often misdiagnosed as ADD and ADHD. Nutritional deficiencies or excessive amounts of vitamins can be toxic to the body. B vitamin deficiencies: Many experts believe that one of the main causes for inattention, hyperactivity, impulsivity, temper tantrums, sleep disorders, forgetfulness, and aggression are caused by faulty neurotransmissions a problem with the neurotransmitters in the brain. Vitamin B-6 is a necessary vitamin used in the making of neurotransmitters that affect behavior. A lack of this vitamin or really any other vitamin can cause a child to act inappropriately. Excessive amounts of Vitamins: Excessive amounts of vitamins can be toxic to the body and may cause the same ADHD like symptoms. It is possible to overdose when taking vitamins so make sure you contact a physician and check for vitamin deficiencies before taking extra vitamins. If your child is struggling or just not being challenged enough, Find a learning center that can identifying your child's specific needs and create a personalized program just for your child, with highly trained and certified teachers that work with your child individually, so your child receives the specific help he or she needs. We have a law called the HIPAA law; Medical issues should be privet family matter. I feel schools should stick to academics, and if a parent or guardian is duped into believing in a subjective diagnoses like ADHD it's personal. If an educated parent or guardian prefers to find the real cause of their child’s difficulty rather than masking it with lethal, addictive psychotropic drugs, that’s their choice. We like many other parents and guardians have been coerced into starting our children on these mind Altering drugs. Our son’s school social worker told my wife and I if we refused to compile with their evaluation of ADHD and take our seven year old son to the doctor for Ritalin, that we could be charged by child protective services for neglecting his educational and emotional needs. Some school officials even attempt to force parents into choosing between medicating their children as a prerequisite to attending class, this is criminal. Nearly 4 million U.S. children under age 17 had been diagnosed with ADHD by 2004, according to the CDC. Doctors wrote more than 5.6 million prescriptions for Adderall a drug used to treat ADHD during the first six months of 2005. That's a 15% increase over the same period a year before, according to IMS Health, a pharmaceutical information and consulting company. That’s just Adderall alone, I don’t know the stats on all the other similar drugs like Ritalin and concerta. Many parents and guardians have made complaints to legislators in Washington. I personally went from room too room telling our story about how we were coerced into drugging our son with Ritalin. And the fact that our 14-year-old son's death death certificate stats his death was caused from the use of Ritalin prescribed for ADHD. It is unknown how often schools have tried to make medication a condition of attending class. Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) says the House Education and Workforce Committee, which he leads, have received a number of complaints" from parents. I would like to say to Rep. John Boehner, Thank you with all my heart for keeping your promise to me of perusing this very important issue of the forced drugging of so many American children. This will not bring my son Matthew Smith back or all the other normal children that have died, but this new law will save the lives of many children and cut back on future drug addicts. Written by Lawrence Smith You are sounding like an anti-med troll more each day. The responsibility for taking meds is on the individual. Everyone has a choice. To blame the manufacturers of medications for our taking them is copping out. Alternative practitioners hide behind freedoms they take for granted. They never can prove if their treatments work let alone how. Alternative practitioners were against aspartame even though many fought to keep on the market their "chinese herb" weight loss treatments containing ephedra. They fight anti-depressants though want people to take herbs that have been proven to be no better than a placebo. They deny ADHD exists though list "herbal ADHD treatments" on their websites. They say autism is caused by heavy metal (with no proof) and recommend ripping the blood cells apart in little children. Alternative practitioners should have a look in the mirror before attacking pharmaceuticals. Scientists are proving causes every single day. They have a better understanding of alzheimers, parkinsonism - pretty much all human ailments are being tracked to their original cause. AIDS will be a thing of the past soon as they are moving towards viable vaccines. They have found a cure for the human papilloma virus that works 100 percent of the time. The first time a cure works every time. Not the last one I'm sure. Medication makes life better. It's up to you to decide which ones you want to take advantage of. Nobody has ever had them shoved down their throat. I am tired of anti-med people. If you do not have a child with ADHD you do not know what you would do given the same situation. Leave us alone, we know what the risks are. It is our responsibility as parents to raise these kids and I know that I am doing my son more good by giving him meds so he will be able to function and interact with people, learn to the best of his ability. I know that he will be able to go into the world at his best potential and be able to understand, know and live with ADD/ADHD. I am not doing him any good if I don't teach him how to live with ADD/ADHD. I know there is a good chance he will carry this to adulthood and I better do my dangdest to get him prepared to go into this world and be the best he can be. Instead of getting kicked out of preschool after preschool, he can get the most out of his preschool. He can do way more WITH the med than WITHOUT it. Thank you for reading this..... Pencil trolls have a true purpose. The only use a web troll has is to throw blood at young girls in trouble and bomb clinics and kiss george bush's little toe. A pencil troll will never lie and quote frauds and killers. They smile and look funny and cute. This troll will wistfully lust for Tom Cruise, spend time cutting and pasting from fraudulent web pages, and in between make up timers for bombing doctor's offices. They are far more dangerous than they let on. What exactly did the child die from? Can you give us any of the details that you know? Jillette, unfortunately, comorbid conditions in the child are found only after it is too late. I'm one of those that is not willing to take that risk. Often, when we are personally acquainted with an untoward incident, it can change our way of thinking about things. I know of 2 people who lost loved ones due to childhood vaccinations. That's a bit too close for me to take that chance. I'd rather my son have the illnesses. That's just my opinion. It's just that maybe sunnygirl is a bit more vocal (yet less so that our friend from last weekend) about it. Sunnygirl, this is definitely a topic for the debate board. [/QUOTE] How exactly did they die from the vaccination? Allergic reaction to the serum (from the particular animal I'd suppose)?. Vaccinations help far more than hurt. There's a couple of facts that I'd just like to throw out to counter those of the extremist homeopaths out there (not generalizing): 1) There is no effect of mercury used in vaccinations on autism or other disorders. This has been proven out now through testing and world censuses a couple of times. 2) most pediactric and adult vaccinations don't use mercury mix to sterilize the vaccine. The ones that do have an alternative at a slightly higher consumer cost. 3) the diseases that are being vaccinated against are deadly and if not stopped through global vaccination would become pandemics. Polio for example - they stopped using the vaccine in poor third-world countries and now it's back again in isolated regions full-force. Smallpox on the other hand thanks to UN vaccination efforts has been completely destroyed (no cases on record anywhere planetwide in about 20 years now). No vaccine means death in many cases. 4) Vaccines are used for the most virulent diseases and aren't here as a luxury item. They only vaccinate where absolutely necessary. For parents worried about allergies they should have a chicken/egg allergy test prior to any vaccination. They used to use animal blood serum but mostly now it's grown in eggs or as a recombinant DNA added to harmless bacteria. Just a few words. It scares me way more to think of no vaccinations than the infintessimal risks (if you take the precautions above) of death. [QUOTE=IMac]As someone who grew up before these vaccines were invented ... Gosh, how old are you Imac. I though vaccines were first invented back in the 1700's and if you want to get really technical it is thought as early as 200 BC. [QUOTE=IMac]As someone who grew up before these vaccines were invented ... Gosh, how old are you Imac. I though vaccines were first invented back in the 1700's and if you want to get really technical it is thought as early as 200 BC. [/QUOTE] Actually I was reading a couple of days ago that the ancient chinese as early as 1000 BC immunized against smallpox by taking scab material from infected people and putting it in the nostrils of the uninfected. Sorry - that's gross but hey. yeah it is gross i think the risk of the illness is worse than the risk of the vaccination but you still worry.both my kids have all their vaccination but i really wasn't so sure with jude and i understand why people decide not to do it. [QUOTE=IMac]As someone who grew up before these vaccines were invented ... Gosh, how old are you Imac. I though vaccines were first invented back in the 1700's and if you want to get really technical it is thought as early as 200 BC. [/QUOTE] Actually I was reading a couple of days ago that the ancient chinese as early as 1000 BC immunized against smallpox by taking scab material from infected people and putting it in the nostrils of the uninfected. Sorry - that's gross but hey. [/QUOTE] Sorry oldermom but I was at a University Seminar yesterday and for pre-existing conditions doctors do not even prescribe meds and all children are checked out prior. Very rare are there complications and it has always been something un- related or co-existing not from the meds. Also I was told by Professors and psychologists and doctors who have been around years (they were in their 50's some of them) That there are two meds that have been tested and tried for over 50 years that is Ritalin and Asperine I am done. There were no drug people there. Also to add the stattera thing and the liver damage was only 2 people and once the med stopped it was reversed so leave people alone if you do not like meds that is fine your choice but leave others alone. When you walk one day in our shoes then you would understand we do not go for meds first thing they are when all else fails and ADHD is a chronic medical condition! Sunny_grl04 wrote: REPORTED! i am sorry calicorose i don't agree with you about the vaccination but let me also add that i completely respect your choice. we had a fuss about mmr 2/3 years ago and i was scared to give it to jude but since alana had it with no problems i decided to go ahead with it i was terrified he will end up autistic which was the worry with the MMR. but at the same time measles is a very nasty could be fatal illness and i could not have forgiven myself if jude had it or if he passed it to some innocent pregnant womam who would have lost her baby because of it. like i said i respect your choice,everybody is entitled to their belief Thanks for your respect scotmama. I appreciate that. I would never want to chage anyone's opinion on here, just be able to say what and why I do what I do, in support of others who do the same. I want to clarify that just BECAUSE I know of someone who died did I pull vaccinating my child. What happened caused me to do a lot of research and reading and asking a lot of people a lot of questions, so that I could make the best, well-informed decision I could. It was not a freaky rash decision. I did find out in my research and updates, that many children that get the measels, and the outbreaks that occur (in my community anyways), had already been vaccinated. In other words, the measels vaccine did not work. Mumps however, scares me. It's just a decision I have to live with. What exactly did the child die from? Can you give us any of the details that you know? Jillette, unfortunately, comorbid conditions in the child are found only after it is too late. I'm one of those that is not willing to take that risk. Often, when we are personally acquainted with an untoward incident, it can change our way of thinking about things. I know of 2 people who lost loved ones due to childhood vaccinations. That's a bit too close for me to take that chance. I'd rather my son have the illnesses. That's just my opinion. It's just that maybe sunnygirl is a bit more vocal (yet less so that our friend from last weekend) about it. Sunnygirl, this is definitely a topic for the debate board.
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No proof the shots cause anything, let alone autism. It came up because there are some vocal advocates who believe autism is caused by shots, however there is no proof. In fact, researchers only agree that they don't know and most believe it has many different causes. ADHD is the same Nobody knows what causes it or if there is only one cause. If everyone agreed not to vaccinate our kids, we wouldn't have to worry about ADHD. We'd have to worry about quick deaths by many different diseases that have basically been wiped out or miminzed to almost nothing. Vaccinations sort of cushions the few unvaccinated kids from the gruesome deaths from other times. 
I can put it out there and leave it alone, no big deal. Maybe no one knows someone personally who has been affected, maybe they don't want to think they were responsible for doing something that may have harmed their child. I am one of them. We make the best choices we can with the information we have. No one should be shamed or feel badly for that. Including YOU! Things happen despite our best efforts. We are all awsome parents. And, we do still have the future and should move on.
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The dangers of Ritalin...
According to Dr. Peter Breggin and many, many scientists, ADHD cannot be physically identified:
In a scientific review, Diane McGuinness called Attention Deficit Disorder “the emperor’s new clothes.”[5] In The Hyperactive Child and Stimulant Drugs, Roger Freeman labelled the state of the art and practice in the field surrounding ADHD “a mess.” He went on to note that this area is “characterized by rarely challenged myths, ill-defined boundaries, and a strangely seductive attractiveness.”[6]
With facts such as these, many people have concluded with Dr. Breggin that there is “no evidence that ADHD is a valid clinical entity associated with physical dysfunction of the brain.”[7]
How does a child become diagnosed as ADHD? What are the criteria for such a diagnosis? This is a shocker. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition (DSM-IV), considered the “bible” of psychiatric diagnosis, the entire criteria for making a diagnosis of oppositional defiant disorder is the following:
If ADHD is not a medical entity, then why is Ritalin so heavily prescribed? Arthur Caplan, director of the University of Pennsylvania’s Center for Bioethics, writes, “There’s either a strange plague of hyperactivity in the U.S., or we’ve got a lot of folks prescribing Ritalin as a psychopharmocological nanny.”[9] Dr. Breggin hits the nail on the head: “Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) has one over-riding purpose—to put a medical veneer on the use of medication to control the behavior of children.”[10]
Ritalin has been touted as a safe, non-addictive drug. Unfortunately, both claims are false. As Dr. Breggin points out, “It is not a speculation but a fact demonstrated in thousands of laboratory studies in normal animals: All psychiatric drugs produce severe biochemical imbalances and related abnormalities by interferring with the normal brain function.”[19] He also writes that Ritalin and other stimulants:
Regarding the erroneous claims that Ritalin is non-addictive, it should be noted that “Under the Controlled Substances Act, the FDA classifies Ritalin in Schedule II—the most addictive class of drugs in medical use. It shares Schedule II with other stimulants (Dexedrine and cocaine) and with narcotics (morphine).”[21] The International Narcotics Control Board in 1996 declared: “Methlyphenidate’s [Ritalin’s] pharmacological effects are essentially the same as those of amphetamine and methamphetamines. The abuse of methlyphenidate can lead to tolerance and severe psychological dependence. Psychotic episodes, violent and bizarre behavior have been reported.”[22] Furthermore, the International Narcotics Control Board reported that in 1996 “emergency room visits by children age 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication have now reached the same level as those for cocaine. This indicates escalating abuse of this highly addictive drug.”
William Stableford (1976) and a group from the University of Vermont Department of Psychology addressed the impact of giving drugs on the parents themselves: “Handing a child a pill each day is a simple task, and it allows the parents the comfort of placing the explanation for their child’s hyperactive behavior on his physiological makeup. They are therefore absolved of any responsibility.”[30]
A much more realistic approach is to view the child’s behavioral problem as a combination of problems within the child and caregivers alike (including parents and teachers). If parents are guilty of failing to give necessary attention and loving discipline to their child, labeling the child with a “biological disorder” gets them off the hook, but with tragic consequences for the child: “If we begin instead with a conviction that our child has a biological disorder, we may temporarily stave off guilt—but we also give up responsibility. We sacrifice our perceptions of reality—and potentially our child’s well-being—to feeling good about ourselves.”[31] Creating diagnostic categories for troublesome children tends to remove blame from the failure of parents and schools, and throw responsibility entirely on a fictitious “chemical imbalance” within the child. As Dr. Breggin observes, such an attitude “is good for the business of doctoring and the business of selling drugs. It may make life easier for some parents and teachers. But it is very bad for children.”[32]
Professor Leon Eisenberg of Harvard Medical School, in an interview by the Boston Globe, believes that such drugging of children is unethical: “This whole trend towards giving pills to children as a solution to everything, particularly in the absence of evidence that they work, is fundamentally unethical.”[33] A child with disciplinary and emotional problems is certainly a reason for concern “but it’s no reason to diagnose and to drug the child.”[34] Dr. Breggin claims that labelling such children as ADHD is merely a “diagnostic sleight of hand” that blames the source of the conflict entirely on the child and puts “the child in a category that requires no further exploration or understanding on our part.”[35]
Dr. Breggin give an analogy that is quite easy to understand: people will react to adverse physical conditions, such as severe air pollution, depending upon their own physical condition. The infirm, the especially young or old, will more quickly be affected by air pollution than a healthy individual would. So too, children are much more susceptible to problems in family and school conditions than are adults. If the family and school are providing a “toxic environment” for the child’s growth, the child will usually be the first to emotionally and spiritually “wilt.” Dr. Breggin encourages all parents and caregivers to take back responsibility for our children and reclaim them from the so-called “experts” and “dedicate ourselves to providing children with the adult relationships that they need ”and reject the easy pattern of diagnosing children which is “robbing them of the moral, social, and spiritual context of their lives.”[36]
The stresses on children these days are innumerable. Separation or divorce is the single most damaging circumstance in a child’s life, a factor affecting the majority of children nowadays. In 1970, 90 percent of children lived with both parents. By 1997, the figure had dropped to 64 percent.[37] So to simplistically attribute an emotionally and behaviorally troubled child as “chemically imbalanced” without acknowledging the existence of other real and more likely causes for the child’s unruly behavior may indicate a form of denial present in parents and teachers alike. For this reason, Dr. Breggin says we must utterly reject the idea that all these problems are merely attributed to “our children’s brains or bodies”: 
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[3] Ibid., 144.
[4] Gerald Golden, “Role of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder in learning disabilities,” Seminars in Neurology, 11, 35-41.
[5] Diane McGuinness, 1989, “The emperor’s new clothes, animal ‘pharm’, and other fiction. In S. Fisher and R.P. Greenberg (eds.), The limits of biological treatments for psychological distress, Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, pp. 151-188.
[6] Roger Freeman, The Hyperactive Child and Stimulant Drugs, 5.
[7] Dr. Peter Breggin, Talking Back to Ritalin: What Doctors aren’t telling you about stimulants for your children, 41.
[8] Dr. Peter R. Breggin, Reclaiming Our Children: A Healing Plan for a Nation in Crisis, 121.
[9] K. Murphy, August 25, 1997, “Why Johnny can’t sit still,” Business Week, p. 194E4.
[10] Dr. Peter Breggin, Talking Back to Ritalin: What Doctors aren’t telling you about stimulants for your children, 140.
[11] M. Leonard, “Children are the new hot market for anti-depressants,” Boston Globe, May 25, 1997, p. D1.
[12] Dr. Peter Breggin, Talking Back to Ritalin: What Doctors aren’t telling you about stimulants for your children, 117.
[13] R. L. Sprague and E.K. Sleator, “Methylphenidate in Hyperkinetic Children: Differences in Dose Effects on Learning and Social Behaviour,” Science 198 (1977): 1274-1276.
[14] R.C. Lewontin, Steven Rose, and Leon J. Kamin, Not in Our Genes: Biology, Ideology, and Human Nature, 192-193.
[15] Dr. Peter R. Breggin, Reclaiming Our Children: A Healing Plan for a Nation in Crisis, 145.
[16] Ibid., 279.
[17] G. Weiss, E. Kruger, V. Danielson, and M. Elmann, “Effect of Long-term Treatment of Hyperactive Children with Methylphenidate [Ritalin],” Canadian Medical Association Journal 112 (1975): 159-165.
[18] R.C. Lewontin, Steven Rose, and Leon J. Kamin, Not in Our Genes: Biology, Ideology, and Human Nature, 182.
[19] Dr. Peter R. Breggin, Reclaiming Our Children: A Healing Plan for a Nation in Crisis, 140.
[20] Dr. Peter Breggin, Talking Back to Ritalin: What Doctors aren’t telling you about stimulants for your children, 121. 
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BUT my boys have had there mmr, mikey was a good happy contented baby until his mmr, i was reluctant to give corey-max but had it & was fine, but MY BABY, has'nt had her mmr & she's 2, i dont want to destroy her by giving it to her & she turns over night just like mikey, i could'nt live with myself
& besides when i was a little girl growing up we did'nt have the mmr & we turned out just fine.
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[/QUOTE] I'm just teasing you, I really know what you meant or maybe you are the oldest human being alive!!!!
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[/QUOTE] I'm just teasing you, I really know what you meant or maybe you are the oldest human being alive!!!! I read as early as 200 BC in China but that is exactly what they did, supposidly. Gross? Well, yes a wee bit.
I have just encountered a dad who lost his son to ADHD medication