Flushed the Adderall down the toilet! | ADHD Information
Well, I'm not taking anything right now, so I'll see how it goes. But, I can understand the other's who take these meds cause they DO improve the quality of life associated with ADD so.....I dont know what to think anymore,lol.Thought for the day:You can't fix stupid.
i agree with Glen! adderall is extermely safe as long as you take the right dose... i feel so relaxed on it and its so smooth to me because i take the right dose... my doc mentioned to me the last visit that on average men take 30 mg a day and women take 20 mg a day... adderall is extremely safe and smooth and really focuses your attention when you take the right dose.... im very satisfied with taking adderall....
[quote=binformed]well, this stuff is a killer.....did you know it can cause a heart attack? yep, read the net, lots of kids have dropped dead from taking this crap. good thing you stopped cause it's not good for you, causes all kinds of bad crap, and trust me you don't want to go there.[/quote]Binformed
While I can appreciate you have a "point-of-view" -- it's not a POV based on evidence and data. The FDA looked into this issue and found no justification for maintaining a position that Adderall posed an increased threat of cardiac problems to children.
I would hope that you take the time to study the facts and have an open mind. Below is an excerpt from the FDA (February 2005) with a link to the full advisory page. Also, since this advisory was published by the FDA, Canada has reversed its position and allows the sale of Adderall.
From the FDA
- When one considers the rate of sudden death in pediatric patients treated with Adderall products based on the approximately 30 million prescriptions written between 1999 and 2003 (the period of time in which these deaths occurred), it does not appear that the number of deaths reported is greater than the number of sudden deaths that would be expected to occur in this population without treatment.
- For this reason, the FDA has not decided to take any further regulatory action at this time.
Below is the complete FDA advisory as published on http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/advisory/adderall.htm
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well, this stuff is a killer.....did you know it can cause a heart attack?
LIE! It can exacerbate a preexisting condition but that's not cause. Binformed has no clue what it's talking about and this makes it obvious.
yep, read the net, (ritalindeath and www.scientology.org doesn't count) lots of kids have dropped dead from taking this crap 16 deaths from undiagnosed preexisting heart conditions - bozo. good thing you stopped cause it's not good for you, causes all kinds of bad crap, and trust me you don't want to go there.
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Ignore this troll.
Scientific studies have shown that 16 total deaths from preexisting heart conditions made worse by taking adderall is all there is. No more.
Never brought on a single death in a healthy person adult OR child. It cannot.
Your lies uncover your villiany. Cad.
.IMac38947.4018981481you should have just tried 20 mg..... instead of flushing it...alot of it has to do with body weight... with you being a girl, your probably like 120 pounds and 60 mg is extremely high and dangerous for that body weight!... 30 mg is as high as you should go.. im a well built man and i cant go over 30 mg... or i get very edgy.... adderall is a very good med for people with add and has saved my life and many others... ritalin is an older med.. many more people use adderall now... most girls take 20 mg.. and most guys take 30 mg...adderall is very smooth and relaxing! and really focuses your attention with the right dose!.. you should really try 20 mg...... trust me there is a big difference between 20 mg and 30 mg of adderall!!! 20 mg is not enough for me but when i take 30 mg i can really feel the difference ya know...... but with you its the opposite because you weigh 60 pounds less and youre a girl... 20 mg will probably work for you if you are a.d.d.Non-medication intervention, specifically cognitive behavioral therapy, is aimed at helping you to create new habits that work with your strengths and around your weaknesses. You learn memory tricks, organizational strategies, etc. Medication helps this process in a few different ways.
First and foremost, good cognitive behavioral therapy for ADHD will begin with a process of discovery. The therapist tries to educate the person in quesiton about the disorder, and they can begin to chart out the multitude of ways in which ADHD influences their daily lives. The comparison between being on medication and being off medication can be a huge wealth of information for people. Many of us never realized how bad it was until we got on medication and saw how good it could be.
Another very important benefit is simply giving you a better ability to focus on these life changes and to remember them. ADHD people are notoriously bad at creating new habits for themselves, and medication can help alleviate the ADHD symptoms enough to make that process easier. The irony of a lot of the changes you need to make in your daily routine and the way you process information is that they rely on the very skill sets that you're trying to develop.
For example, you may need to learn new strategies for doing housework. Personally, I'm notorious for wandering away during tasks to start on different tasks. I'll often wander from task to task for quite a while before I realize what's happening (even when I think I'm watching myself closely!). So I've learned to create a short list in advance of what I'm working on in a particular room (both to make the big task seem more managable and to have something on hand that ensures that I do everything that needs to be done in the room). ADHD people are generally very bad at monitoring their own behavior and thought processes, and the impulses that can cause them to wander off mid-task can be very strong and quite insidious. This can make it quite difficult to create and enforce a strategy for cleaning, which can interfere with the process of making it a new habit. Using medication you can alleviate the symptoms that make it so difficult to monitor your own behavior, and you can help keep your brain more focused so that the impulses that can drag you away from what you're doing are fewer and less difficult to resist. Medication alone won't make these symptoms dissapear. You have to learn to work with the symptoms. But that process is greatly aided by temporarily not being quite as ADHD as you normally are. On meds I'm 1. more likely to remember to make the list 2. less likely to lose the list or forget about it once it's made 3. less likely to wander off while I'm trying to stick closely to the list and 4. more able to focus both on the task at hand and at watching myself closely for signs that I'm starting to wander off task ("Oh, this sheet needs to go back to my bedroom. Oh, I should make my bed...WAIT STOP! Go back to the living room! You're not done yet!).
Those are just two ways in which combining non-medicinal treatment with stimulants can make a world of difference.
I've always been a big supporter of not going it with one single method alone. Meds alone give an anchor but no relearning of habits and behaviors - eventually you'll fail and there's no way around that.
Therapy alone is like a heroin addict going it cold turkey - no methodone no nothing. Cold sweats and tons of urges with no way to stop it.
Together they are like quitting smoking with support and a patch. Sure you can go it alone with no help - but why? Where is it written that there is honor in feeling pain and suffering the urges and chatter of ADHD? If ADHD was so fantastic you'd only see people here telling you it's wonderful - then they'd go off and enjoy life.
[QUOTE=KDLMaj]You just started on way too high of a dose. That was stupid of your doctor. It was also silly of you to throw them out after that. Adderall SR tablets are scored, so you could easily have gone down to 10mg a day to start and moved up with those 30mg tablets. Give it another try. But also keep using natural supplements and meditation too. The best therapy is combination therapy. Medication helps your brain respond better to non-medicinal interventions. I know that the combination of a PDA and Adderall does a lot more for me than either of those by themselves ever did.[/QUOTE]
I'm 130lbs 5ft6 and I tolorated ritalin at 60mg for a good while, I just think it was the type of MED cause ritalin worked real well when it worked, LOL. I'm gonna take the summer off of meds and see how these natural remedies work and go from there. I felt really normal in class today, it was great!
To make a long story short, I was taking Ritalin for a year, at first 40mg then doc increased it to 60mg for about the last six months of me taking it. It stopped working and I didn't want to increase the dose any higher so my doc decided to put me on Adderall 60mg IR(btw, he thought that ritalin and adderall were the same strength but just worked on different receptors in the brain). Well the first day, I had a major anxiety attack in class, my face was hot, my heart was pounding and I was SOOOO antisocial that I couldn't even talk to anybody(and I'm FAR from antisocial). So I decided to take 30mg the next day, and I was fine but really antisocial, i didn't even want to talk to my mother when she called! 3rd day(still 30mg), towards the end of the evening, my heart started pounding so HARD and FAST out of the BLUE and I was SOOO close to going to the hospital but I said a prayer after about 10 minutes of suffering from this and I was instantly relieved! It was majical by the way!
So I flushed that junk down my toilet cause I don't think you could take them back to the pharmacy....So I decided to take these summer classes without meds and i'm taking natural supplements right now in conjunction with these meditation cd's. I just need to train my brain to concentrate. I'm also doing yoga, aerobics, ginko, l tyrosine, fish oil, cal mag. So has anyone else experienced this panic, agoroaphobia, social anxiety, etc??? This stuff was like h*** if you ask me. Ritalin was a life saver at first. Why did I react so badly to this med?
ditzychick38857.9285300926.IMac38947.4012615741 [quote=ditzychick]Why did I react so badly to this med?[/quote]
Ritalin and Adderall affect different brain chemicals. Ritalin affects mainly dopamine and Adderall affects mainly norepinephrine. If your brain does not need an increase in norepinephrine then you may have the reaction you experienced.
My experience was the opposite in that I started on Ritalin and eventually had a few anxiety attacks with no benefit to my ADD symptoms. I was switched to Adderall and after finding the right dose (which was higher than the Ritalin dose), I was finally able to experience some relief from ADD symptoms. It's obvious to me now that I have an imbalance in norepinephrine instead of dopamine.
There are other meds similar to Ritalin (e.g. Concerta) that might work for you.
[quote=anti-ritalin]RITALIN IS A KILLER. SAY HELL NO TO ALL ADHD DRUGS[/quote]
I feel so sorry for "anti-ritalin." She has a sad and terrible tale, but chooses to cloth herself in blinders by ignoring the overwhelming benefit that medicines provide in dealing with ADD.
Maxdad38858.5973726852[QUOTE=IMac]Sorry I can't help with the Adderall, but I'm curious about your dosage of Ritalin. Were you taking slow release Ritalin? [/QUOTE]
At first, during the whole year, I took the generic short acting pills and they were much smoother and I felt "normal" and VERY focused but unfortunately, the side effects were horrible after the first year, towards the end. Like, VERY bad headaches. I didn't mention but within the year of me taking ritalin, I took the summer off and didnt' take anything. So yah, the short acting kind. IF you have any questions feel free to ask.
ditzychick38858.5234606481RITALIN IS A KILLER. SAY HELL NO TO ALL ADHD DRUGSOk, I'm new but I hate all these psychos who are always talking trash
about medicine without actually backing it up. One of them says
"ethylene...benzene...think about it" the other one says "the truth is
out there, MAN!!"seriously folks, WTF?
I go to an ivy league school, I'm a senior in the biomedical engineering department, cell and tissue engineering division. I've had 4 years of chemistry, mathematics, biology and quantitative physiology, electrical engineering, genetics and I've also taken courses in MEDICAL ETHICS and PHILOSOPHY.
Just so you know, I'm not a complete idiot.
yes, I have been diagnosed with ADHD, and have taken Adderall for a year, 20mg twice a day. I'll tell you what i think about stimulants when you read this first.
The effect of a stimulant is to increase the production of dopamine in the substantia nigra, a place in the brain where dopaminergic neurons exist. The brain circuitry however directs alot of activity to the frontal cortex (neurons are like wirings, if you induce response in a group and they're wired to another group, they will transmit this stimulus--it's called an action potential). The frontal cortex is associated with attention deficit, completion of tasks and emotional control.
Unlike "selective...blah" medications, a stimulant is not inhibitor or antagonist, but it's rather an agonist. A stimulant is an adrenergic receptor agonist--opens the receptor to these molecules more frequently or for longer time. That's why the combined effects of amphetamines is similar to an adrenaline response--low blood to the stomach/intestinal tract, more blood to the skin and muscles, increased heart rate, focus and control of emotions (it's the "fight or flight" instinct, if you want to know more search in Wikipedia for "sympathetic nervous system", for "adrenal gland" and for "adrenergic response").
PEOPLE:
DOPAMINE, NOREPI, EPI, SEROTONIN are all different things, but that doesn't mean that everything isn't connected. When people take ethylene-diol-methamphetamine (MDMA, or Ecstacy) they experience a surge of love and tingly feelings. This is because it is a serotonin channel antagonist, as well as a norepi antagonist. thus the vasoconstriction, the increased body temp (due to effect in dopaminergic nucleus close to hypothalamus) and so on.
Dopamine is a hormone used as a neutrotransmitter as well. the epis and serotonin are called catecholamines, small molecules that will serve as neutrotransmitters as well.
this is why, when taking ritalin/adderall, you can experience both the focus effect given by the stimulation of dopaminergic (dopamine-generating) neurons, the adrenergic effect by the stimulus of the adrenal gland by dopamine to release epi/norepi and the serotonergic effect (Euphoria that some people feel).
That's the reason why adderall/ritalin have side effects that can be nocive AT HIGH DOSES! Doctors do dispense this ish out like it's candy, and people do pop it at ridiculous doses which are neither therapeutic nor healthy!
The reason why "RITALIN KILLS" is not because of "CRAZY BENZENE CANCER" warnings. Benzene is simply a 6 carbon ring, and there's a freaking benzene ring in just about everything. I work at a major cancer center in the US, if not THE biggest, in research regarding leukemias/blood disorders/aplastic anemias. Just about everything causes cancer. Just about everything can kill you.
Ritalin and Amphetamines are not child's play drugs, they're very dangerous if misused. I am always afraid of misusing them. I'm 21, and I've been cautiously observing my behavior so that I don't find myself hooked onto anything or suffer from longtime damage on anything.
I've been on adderall for a year and it's really helped me focus, calm down (I used to be really anxious, but it's a hyperstimuli response) and feel more in control of my emotions and my life. It's not a life-changing drug, no drug is. I have emigrated twice in my life and I watched my brother go craz and die at 10 years of age (I was 15) due to a genetic disease. I went through deep dark depression and none of the antidepressants worked, and life still went for the best. As I said, I'm in a top school and I'm as healthy as anyone else, and as succesfull, ADHD or not.
I do think adderall/ritalin are helpful to concentrate and feel more in control, but they're not the solution. it takes personal drive to get better and feel better, and survive the world outside.
They do not "kill", there's no "conspiracy", etc. I will rephrase that, everything kills, including all these pills. but if you are careful about what you're doing, if you learn what they do to you and the good and the bad, then you can use them as a beneficial aid in your life...not a crutch.
I've been reading these newsgroups for a while now (a couple months) but I had never answered. These ignorant and underinformed posts just made me get in and respond!
I know that some people have lost sons and daughters to mis-diagnosis of ADD/ADHD and to over-dosing in the hands of unexperienced psychiatrists and cnady dispensers. I know that it's painful to see them go, but these medicines are not the cause of their death, it's negligence. Yes, they're not perfect but nothing in this world is... the reason why a drug like an amphetamine might help you control non-medical situations is the same reason of why when you're in front of a person threatening you, your vision sharpens, your muscles get more numb and your heart rate increases. you feel more in control and you're ready to fight.
it's the adrenergic response of the suprarenal gland (supra=ontop, renal=kidney, the gland on top of the kidney, which creates most of the norepi and epi in your body circulation...not in the brain...another story there)
I agree with bugzappers. I started taking Adderall about 5 weeks ago at a 20 mg dose. Just this past week, it was increased to 25 mg. I think that 60 mg was probably way too much to start with!Adderall Paranioa.
Common.
You took way too much to start with.
Most start you at 20mg and adjust from there.
I take 10 mg and a 3mg of melatonin every other day.
I have been so busy working, I have not been in here.
.IMac38947.4015856481this is the best post i've read all day! yeah, flush that crap!
I know it was too much, that's why I decreased it to 30mg for the last two days but that was still high. What sad story does "anti ritalin" have?
ditzychick38858.9218518519kosmik,
Thanks for your response. I appreciate the information on the "benzene" thing. I was wondering what it all even meant!!
Thanks Glen too! I think you have a good combo there with your medication and therapy.
Keep on swimming, keep on swimming, keep on swimming!!
You just started on way too high of a dose. That was stupid of your doctor. It was also silly of you to throw them out after that. Adderall SR tablets are scored, so you could easily have gone down to 10mg a day to start and moved up with those 30mg tablets. Give it another try. But also keep using natural supplements and meditation too. The best therapy is combination therapy. Medication helps your brain respond better to non-medicinal interventions. I know that the combination of a PDA and Adderall does a lot more for me than either of those by themselves ever did..IMac38947.4022106482Is there a way that you can explain how that works KDLMaj? Please, I'm not doubting you, just very curious what the mechanism might be that makes it work like that! This is my last question of the day..........
I agree with the others and 60mg was defiantly toooo much to start off with. I’m about 125 and 5'2'' and I take 60mg now. I had a similar experience when I was increased from 20mg a day to 60mg a day. I seriously thought I was going to die. I gradually weaned myself onto the 60 and now it works rather well for me, however every medication works differently for each person.