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one lady at the shop made the comment"if it was my child"

i turned to her and asked her if her child had special need,his behavior had a reason,hers was just plain ignorance.that shut up her

my other fav one is"ALL HE NEEDS IS AGOOD SMACK",My answer"if i did you would be the first one on the phone to social services."

i did feel it was my fault,but then friends and family pointed out that i did quite a good job with my daughter,so it makes me feel better.

persevere with love and understanding ,reward good behavior and choose your battles.some little things are not worth getting her and you in a state.

good luck.

Oh, ok. Well, in the UK they won't diagnose bipolar. I didn't realize you were there. Sorry. There are lots of things wrong with our country, but when it comes to various disorders for kids, I'm glad I live here. I do love the UK :)

[QUOTE=OlderMom]I realize you aren't questioning the diagnosis, but I'm suggesting maybe you should. If you haven't seen a Child Psychiatarist or a NeuroPscyh and she hasn't been tested, it's simply a guess on the part of whomever you saw. There are tests that point to different disorders and without any testing at all, they are picking an dx. out of a hat. I just know from experience, and with other kids, that those with ADHD dx. who rage like that get other dx. later. She may not have autism, although all autistic kids present differently. Early onset bipolar is a good possbility. At any rate, you'll just have to ride your journey, like we did ours, and see how it turns out. Just realize that stims make certain disorders worse and that if mood problems or substance abuse run in your family tree on either side...at any rate, I won't bother you with the "other diagnosis" idea again. I've already done that. I wish you luck. [/QUOTE]

As i explained she has been seeing a phyciatrist for over a year now has had all tests that UK Doctors do and regulary attends ADHD clinics.There are no mood problems and definatley no Substance abuse in our family neither .Not all children with ADHD are the same - some suffer with Tantrums some dont just like all children are different.

Im not questioning Diagnosis, i am happy with how the Doctors and Phyciatrist have dealt with it also nurses etc.I am merely asking regarding how other people deal with it.You cant say just because my child has really bad rages she does not have ADHD and all Doctors are wrong.

As you can see from other posts on this forum my child is not alone with these Temper Tantrums.

Fountainpen38863.5715625Hi Fountainpen, Are you open to alternatives? My son had terrible tantrums over anything and everything and inconsolable. He was beyond strong minded, he was set in stone. Anyway, I won't bore you with the list of behaviors. Homeopathy helped him, a lot. It wasn't a matter of discipline. He was not in control of himself. He couldn't behave like we wanted even if he wanted...do you know what I mean? Homeopathy balanced him out. Gave him is control, his balance back. Hope that makes sense. Rage Free Kids and Ritalin Free Kids by Dr. Ullman give good over views. I am not trying to start a "debate" over meds or not because I believe we all want what will work for our children, bottom line. We love our kids and want to help them. Hope you find something that works!!!!!!!!

Yes i agree i have another child too.

I find though the most difficult time is in public.If i go shopping etc and my daughter really plays up i get such bad looks of other parents, ive learned to ignore this now but a lot of places i hardly venture to as she is so hard to keep under control.I think more tollerence is needed by some people.I find older people are the worst , making snide comments, like "If that was my child" etc.

I realize you aren't questioning the diagnosis, but I'm suggesting maybe you should. If you haven't seen a Child Psychiatarist or a NeuroPscyh and she hasn't been tested, it's simply a guess on the part of whomever you saw. There are tests that point to different disorders and without any testing at all, they are picking an dx. out of a hat. I just know from experience, and with other kids, that those with ADHD dx. who rage like that get other dx. later. She may not have autism, although all autistic kids present differently. Early onset bipolar is a good possbility. At any rate, you'll just have to ride your journey, like we did ours, and see how it turns out. Just realize that stims make certain disorders worse and that if mood problems or substance abuse run in your family tree on either side...at any rate, I won't bother you with the "other diagnosis" idea again. I've already done that. I wish you luck. OlderMom38863.5178703704[QUOTE=scotmama]

hello,my son also has rages.

since i am also from britain i will tell you what i was told by his behavioral psychologist. he has been to a special clinic to be dxd ADHD.

he is a very strongminded control freak and we need to be firmer with him as he thinks he rules the roost.we are now having play therapy,behavioral therapy and parenting classes.since he started this he has been worst to start with but there is a slight improvement .

how do you react when she has one of this tantrums?

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Hi i also go to a clinic with her she sounds similiar to your son.

When she has her rages i find it's easier to let her get on with it.The more i try to calm her the worse she gets

yes it sounds like jude,he also has problems sleeping but he is a lot better since we got that under control with melatonin.

before up at 6 bed at 11 up 5/6 times a night

now up at 6 bed at 8 up1/2 times.not perfect but a lot better and his mood is a lot calmer.

we tried to divert his attention when he has those but he would not budge,you can beg,threaten and bribe.

we were told to be consistent in our discipline(must admit i do let him off with little things as i don't fancy fighting with him 24/7)

do you get any respite at all,i find it easier to cope since i got some help.i am calmer and so he is.

you are doing the right thing by ignoring the tantrums.make a huge fuss when she is good.

Hi,

she's up at 6am bed at 8pm finally goes over at 11 !!

Im strict i always have been as i have other children but it's so hard as she is not tired.I make sure she stays in her room.

She has been like this since she was a baby , never slept like most newborns etc i could not get her to sleep . Since i started with the Risperdone over 1 year ago now she sleeps most nights right through prior to this she was up through the night at least 8 times.I have sort of got use to it but it does wear you down.

i also have another child,she is 9 and she is the most polite,wellbehaved child you can meet.

it is not the parenting that is the problem it is how they react to it.

ADHD children need a different approach,it doen't mean that you have to let them do what they want,they just need a different approach(so i was told).

I would let her doctor know then. Rages really aren't part of AD/HD. Tantrums are, but not raging. Good luck!Ladym have you tried vitamins with diet changes at all?Works with our son. diet changes work for my son too... I'm a true believer in changing diet habits. what meds is she on and how much and how often? And what is her exact diagnosis? (my son is 8 with sever adhd and has a speech impairment that is almost gone) How long has she been having these rages? There are a lot of things that can cause the level of aggravation to rise, but if she had them before, there might be a misdiagnoses. ADHD can be a quick discovery and easier to diagnose than others. Tell me a little bit more about her behavior. Does she rage every time? Or is it a mood swing and a few times a day the mood swings turn into a rage? I would love to help you out, but I do need some more info.

hello,my son also has rages.

since i am also from britain i will tell you what i was told by his behavioral psychologist. he has been to a special clinic to be dxd ADHD.

how do you react when she has one of this tantrums?

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Im not questioning the Diagnosis my original post was

I find my daughter taking really bad Temper Tamtrums at least 3 times every day.They consist of kicking & throwing things screaming , squeeling etc .They go on for around 20 minutes plus.They can start over the least little thing.

I cant describe how bad they are , she is 5 year old , how do you all cope with them.Im finding it really hard with it being such a regurlar thing.

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Well, I really want to help you out. But my son doesn't have them. I was just wonder what meds and what your daughters dx was, that might give others a bit more information about how to cope and/or correct this behavior. I am sorry that I have offended you. That was not my intention. I would take her to neuropsy, but that's me. If you have no questions of her dx, then maybe some one can help you out. The more information you can give us the more we can help. That's all. I wish I could do more, this is very hard for you. I hope you can get some help. How much time do you get to yourself or w/ your significant other? That helps me deal with my son's hyperactivity. But, like i said, he doesn't have temper tantrums.

Hi,

The ritalin(concerta) is slow release dosage and thats on a morning around 8am.

The risperadone is at night 7.30pm.She does not sleep til around 11pm.We have had this sleep problem with and without medication.

She never slept as a baby nor as a toddler, still the same but ive been told still to carry on with Risperdone.She has terrible rages/tamtrums .

She has in the past been on other sleep medications but none worked.

Fountainpen38863.1909490741

I think you should take her to a neuropsy. What tests were done on her when she was dx'ed?

Im not questioning the Diagnosis my original post was

I cant describe how bad they are , she is 5 year old , how do you all cope with them.Im finding it really hard with it being such a regurlar thing.

If she's been raging that often, since toddlerhood, I think it would help you a lot to see a Child Psychiatrist. If she's seen one, I'd see another one. If she has speech delays, I'd possibly also see a NeuroPsych. Hate to sound like a broken record,b ut I'm very often right. There is more going on than ADHD here. It could be early onset bipolar or high functioning autism. HFA kids have speech delays. Eventually they can catch up, as far as word usage, however they are still unable to hold a long, meaningful conversation and tend to have extreme social cluelessness. OFten they talk in mnologue and tend to have extremely narrow, intense interests (just telling you a bit about autism). They also freak at stimuli and transtion poorly. Early Onset Bipolar is like rageful, angry ADHD and can progress if untreated. I wouldn't let it rest as ADHD. In the end, she will either get worse or the diagnosis will change, and the earlier she gets the right diagnosis, the better. Stimulants can actually make certain disorders worse, such as early onset bipolar and sometimes high functioning autism. At the very least, they won't help for long. I wish you luck. Been there/done that which is why I can see the writing on the wall. This ain't just ADHD. OlderMom38863.2701736111

[QUOTE=OlderMom]If she's been raging that often, since toddlerhood, I think it would help you a lot to see a Child Psychiatrist. If she's seen one, I'd see another one. If she has speech delays, I'd possibly also see a NeuroPsych. Hate to sound like a broken record,b ut I'm very often right. There is more going on than ADHD here. It could be early onset bipolar or high functioning autism. HFA kids have speech delays. Eventually they can catch up, as far as word usage, however they are still unable to hold a long, meaningful conversation and tend to have extreme social cluelessness. OFten they talk in mnologue and tend to have extremely narrow, intense interests (just telling you a bit about autism). They also freak at stimuli and transtion poorly. Early Onset Bipolar is like rageful, angry ADHD and can progress if untreated. I wouldn't let it rest as ADHD. In the end, she will either get worse or the diagnosis will change, and the earlier she gets the right diagnosis, the better. Stimulants can actually make certain disorders worse, such as early onset bipolar and sometimes high functioning autism. At the very least, they won't help for long. I wish you luck. Been there/done that which is why I can see the writing on the wall. This ain't just ADHD. [/QUOTE]

I know all about Autism - she is not Autistic , her Cousin is they are Chalk & Cheese.She holds a conversation and has nothing wrong speech wise.

She is on addative free diet also i avoid preservatives.

She is on Ritalin one a day low dosage and Risperadone on a night.She has rages quite often about 2 - 3 times per day.

She has been diagnosed ADHD by medically proffessional people more than one.Also has had many tests etc as explained.She is not a slow learner this does not mean to say she does not have ADHD.I know she is not like other children in many ways however because she has not got learning diffuculities and has has a high IQ it tends to get shruged off on here??

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My son also takes Ritalin 3 times a day, and Risperadone at night and has severe raging tantrums. he also has ODD that is part of it for him but what time does she taking the Risperadone at night is it with dinner or just before bed Ritlin causes sleeplessness for children as well as Risperadone we started giving my sone his Risperadone with his dinner and his last dosage of Ritlin and we found it made a huge diffrence as we eat at 5 and he goes to bed at 8 so it is almost out of his system wich he gets a better nights sleep and his tantrums are less intense.

Hope that helps

I cant describe how bad they are , she is 5 year old , how do you all cope with them.Im finding it really hard with it being such a regurlar thing.

Is this medication induced or not?

Are these tantrums something that if someone wanted you to replay it to them, you could act it out, or would it be impossible for you to show them given the level of energy that it would take?

Tantrums can be tantrums, and tantrums can be rages, and both would mean two completely different things. If you could act it out for someone, it's likely a tantrum. If you can't, it's likely a rage. Generally there is tons and tons of energy put into ranges. Of course this isn't scientific, lol, but just a general guide line.

If it's from meds, or rebounding then that's also something different.

Also, just an added parenting tool, I personally love the book "The Explosive Child", for children that really tend to blow up. I have found the tools to really work well, although it's very challenging as a parent to follow, it's worth it. Even if you need meds in the end to help control any type of mood issues, I still think this book helps. I don't know if others here like it as much as I do, but I think it's brilliant

Hi,

No its not Medication enduced .She has had them prior to Medication and they are still the same.On your descrition as you put it above no i could not act it out for someone.The last one she had lasted around 40 minutes .Consisted of the above so i would say rage .

LANGUAGE DISORDERS CAN EFFECT THIS ALSO. THE LONGER OUR SON IS IN ST THE LESS HIS ARE. THEY HAVE EXPRESSIVE TROUBLE SO THEY USE NONVERBAL COMMUNICATION.