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Actually it should be schedule II or schedule I. Schedule III is valium, provigil, etc. Schedule II is a step up, such as Adderall, Dex, Xyrem etc.

[QUOTE=Rmpnt_Intllect]good luck, because its a schedule III, no doctor will prescribe it. Why? because anytime a schedule III is prescribed there is a federal investigation into why it was prescribed. [/QUOTE] THE SCHEDULES ARE (I)- BEING THE HIGHEST, (II), (III), AND (IV)-BEING THE LOWEST. IF IT IS A SCHEDULE III, THEN IT WOULD BE LESS CONTROLLED THEN ADDERALL SCHEDULE II. AND YES THEY STILL DO SELL THAT MEDICATION, BUT MOST DOCTORS ARE RELUCTANT TO SEND IT.

Well, I've done illicit meth before and I've read that the effects arent the same despite its the same thing. A single dose of crystal meth had me up for 4 days straight, listening to music on the computer talking with friends, drinking unrealistic amounts of mountain dew in a state of bliss and euphoria. Then I heard a voice tell me I was going to die and went nuts.

But since meth labs put sh*t in there to make you addicted (even though I already cant go a day without adderall), and its potency is never certain, nor the quality, because its made with several dangerous chemicals.

I just want to give Desoxyn a shot and see how it goes.

good luck, because its a schedule III, no doctor will prescribe it. Why? because anytime a schedule III is prescribed there is a federal investigation into why it was prescribed. Rmpnt_Intllect38884.8057060185

seriously or are you being sarcastic?

and im not going to get into crystal meth, im just too busy and dont have the time right now.

yea, im serious. A prescription of a schedule III causes whatever agency or agencies to perform an audit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desoxyn

read the first paragraph, and it says its a schedule II. I've never even heard of a Schedule III controlled substance, I'd figure if there was it be something like Oxycontin, which I have no reason to use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextroamphetamine

"Dextroamphetamine, amphetamine, methylphenidate, and oral forms of methamphetamine (tradename "Desoxyn") were placed in schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act, while the injectable form of methamphetamine resided in schedule II."

Taken from the middle of the third paragraph, read it and weap.

And in the very next sentence -

"All forms of amphetamines were later placed into the more restrictive schedule II category, along with other sympathomimetics, amine or not (e.g., methylphenidate."

Read the whole thing dude, it says oral forms were placed into schedule III while injectable forms remained in schedule II. Then it says that later ALL forms of amphetamine were placed into schedule II. Only dextroamphetamines and methamphetamines were schedule II or higher, what they are saying is that all amphetamines were then placed into schedule II.

Side Note: Common symptom of type 3 ADHD "Excessively and/or senselessly, tending to be oppositional and argumentative." Why dont we both agree that the other is wrong and not let ADHD get the better of us?

and II is a smaller number than III...see how that works?

and yeah when your bored, argueing can be fun.

Dont say anything, just read this.

Dextroamphetamine, amphetamine, methylphenidate, and oral forms of methamphetamine (tradename "Desoxyn") were placed in schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act, while the injectable form of methamphetamine resided in schedule II. All forms of amphetamines were later placed into the more restrictive schedule II category, along with other sympathomimetics, amine or not (e.g., methylphenidate.

See how they are talking about schedule two, then immediatly after they use the term "more restrictive schedule II"? why would they say more restrictive if they were talking about the same exact thing? If you dont get it at first, read it again. Either way I'm done arguing about it because I know i'm right. Go ask your doctor for a prescription to desoxyl. If by some miracle of god he prescribes it for you, wait 2-3 weeks and your prescription will be stripped from you.

And by they way, when you talk down to people like that, it's called arrogance and it is not very flattering.

Arrogance for some, but for me its my character. And "more restricted" doesnt necessarily mean Schedule III.

I pity you.Schedule 2 and Schedule II are the same damn thing. The article is saying that although most amphetamines were originally Schedule III, they were all "later placed into the more restrictive schedule II category". Meaning, Schedule II (2) is more restrictive than Schedule III (3).

This also means that from a scheduling standpoint, methamphetamine/Desoxyn is classified no differently from all the other stimulants. Although it will be much harder to get a prescription for methamphetamine, it's because of the stigma surrounding that particular drug--not its schedule.

WAIT WAIT WAIT.

No, I pity you, because chances are I'm gonna live another 70 years, considering I'm 15, and lets see you explain Desoxyn is impossible to get when your dead!!!

And so the schedules are more restricted the LESSER the number?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_for_the_Uniform_Schedu ling_of_Drugs_and_Poisons

You will notice that they get more restrictive the higher the number, meaning schedule II cannot be more restrictive than schedule III.

dude, im 16. Im gonna live just as long as you.Rmpnt_Intllect38884.8427546296Yeah and if its a schedule II drug how would it be hard as hell to get???ITS NOT! ARE YOU EVEN READING IT? I told you to read it, i swear i did. ALL OTHER AMPHETAMINES BECAME SCHEDULE II WHILE DEXTROAMPHETAMINES AND METHAMPHETAMINES BECAME SCHEDULE III

That means Desoxyl is schedule III for good god sake, its simple it really really is. [QUOTE=Rmpnt_Intllect]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_for_the_Uniform_Schedu ling_of_Drugs_and_Poisons

You will notice that they get more restrictive the higher the number, meaning schedule II cannot be more restrictive than schedule III.

dude, im 16. Im gonna live just as long as you.[/QUOTE]

Your an idiot. Really, why come on here and run your mouth when you don't even know what your talking about?

This is rarely perscribed, but I really want to try it out. Is there anyway I can?

Well it is pretty similar to Adderall except for the rate in which the body metabolizes the dextroamphetamine. Adderall contains dextroamphetamine sulfate and the trademark "desoxyn" contains dextroamphetamine saccharate. And because of that Adderall is a schedule II drug and desoxyn is a schedule III. However the injectable form of desoxyn is still a schedule II. Basically, Adderall is pretty much the same, it just works slower and therefore is more legal.

And I believe, not sure, that as of May 2006 desoxyn cant be prescribed anymore.Rmpnt_Intllect38884.7818171296

I hope it isnt banned or anything.

And isnt desoxyn just pure methamphetamine?

you didnt say that.

Yes i did. People like you cause people like me to suffer psychotic breaks.Yep, pure methamphetamine. Methamphetamine is actually a synonym for desoxyephedrine. Its illegal in a lot of countries, and any country where it is not illegal, it is just as strictly controlled as it is in the United States. Rmpnt_Intllect38884.7952777778 [QUOTE=Rmpnt_Intllect] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_for_the_Uniform_Schedu ling_of_Drugs_and_PoisonsYou will notice that they get more restrictive the higher the number, meaning schedule II cannot be more restrictive than schedule III.[/QUOTE]

If you read the article, you'd see that the article describes an Australian system.

Here's the one that's actually relevant to this discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act

[quote]Schedule III drugs

Findings required:
(A) The drug or other substance has a potential for abuse less than the drugs or other substances in schedules I and II.
(B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to moderate or low physical dependence or high psychological dependence.

These drugs are available only by prescription, though control of wholesale distribution is somewhat less stringent than Schedule II drugs.[/quote]

So again, Schedule II is stricter than Schedule III, and methamphetamine is II along with all the other stimulant ADD meds.ummagumma38884.8838541667So I should bother asking the doctor about it?You're probably best off not talking to your doctor about it. Desoxyn is typically only prescribed as a very last resort when other Ritalin, Adderall, Dexedrine, etc. aren't effective or have too many side effects. Even though it's on the same schedule as those other ADD meds and not all that different, it has a much worse stigma.

Asking for that kind of drug is also a major red-flag that might make your doctor think you're just trying to score some speed instead of truly having ADD. In that case he could very well reconsider giving you any stimulants at all. Good point, but I just wanted to try it, I wasn't planning on barging in the office yelling "DOC YOU NEED TO GET ME SOME DESOXYN!!!", I was planning just to ask him about it and if I could perhaps try it and see how it works out - generally just not being agressive. And peolpe in psychotic breaks cause idiots like me to experience hysterical laughter.I'm a woman.

No im not im a guy.

I just love random comments of non sense.

And what if you get hit by a truck and die?
lolEuphoria38886.7003587963 Geez, why the heck are you arguing about this?

I take desoxyn. I wish it were as good as you think it is, but unfortunately, it isnt. I took Dexedrine for about 10 years, it was wonderful. My life was sane...THEN a few years ago Smith Klein farmed it out to Abbott. Abbott changed the mixture and it just wasnt the same...until about 8 months ago. Now Dexedrine 5mg triangles are being taken off the market. My doc put me on desoxyn. For me...it works better than everything else, but it still doesnt work as well as the dexedrine did....when it worked. I have an overly extreme case of A.D.D. and the change in the mixture didnt affect most people. The hyperactivity ADHD fell off somehow, but I cant recall when exactly.
Hyperfocusing is the key.
Anyway, desoxyn is definately prescribed. I havent had a problem. I take 4 tablets 3x a day...when I remember.
Usually when I dont, someone at my work will ask me if I took my medicine hahaha.
Stop arguing. Life is too short.

Thank you,

I am new to this discussion board, but want to say as someone who recieves dissability/social security benefits for adhd (aka extreme case) and has still managed to get an mba I can promise that I have tried every type of prescribed and some many non-prescribed stimulents. Anyway, you 16 year olds are both right in a way but are arguing about 2 different things. The FDA schedule (I, II, III, IV, and V) is something ENTIRELY different than the class 1, 2, 3 poisons.

For the sake of clarification to those who came here not to read 4 pages of bickering and name calling, but rather get answers, then this is the point.

Schedule I, II, and III drugs are what the FDA and DEA watch and investigate doctors for (mostly schedule II). Notice the roman numeral, which I will keep using to avoid aforementioned confusions.

Desoxyn, like adderal and ritalin, are both Schedule II, which is the most controlled prescription substance that can be legally prescribed; Oxycontin also is a schedule II drug. Schedule I, inlcudes such substances as LSD, Heroin, Cocaine and etc. (although most of time they use technical/medical name.) In fact, Delotted, the pain medication that only comes in injectable form and some anesthesia (Spelling wrong) are the only schedule I drugs allowed and only in the hospital if I recall correctly.

Basically, any amphetamine-D (aderral), Methamphetamine_D (desoxyn) (prescription form, not street form) are going to fall in schedule II. Although they both are schedule II I want to add to what Cuza said, that Desoxyn lasts longer and is about 2x as strong/potent as aderral (and I am not talking about the ineffective XR, BUT THE REAL ADDERAL). Anyway, to clarify, I have been on Adderal for about 6 years, and when my doctor wouldn't go higher than my tolerance level (I took five 30mg aderral pills daily), he switched me to desoxyn. It works great, but if you struggle sleeping, eating, and just all around abusing adderal than stay away from desoxyn (no judgements, I have been there including staying up 7 days during finals week, which included hollucinations on day 7-different topic all together). For the original poster who wanted to try desoxyn, I would say its worth it if the adderal no longer cuts it, however, with the Meth craze and bs surrrounding it, I wouldn't say outright I want to switch scripts to desoxyn (that would signal red flags that you are a candidate for abuse of medication in your docs mind.) Also, if you aren't already, make sure you are going to a doctor (often referred to as a medication monitor) that specializes in treating ADHD. If you are getting your adderal from your general practitioner/family doctor asking is just a waste of both your time. Much like a chronic pain doctor can and is expected to prescribe lots of oxy, only an add doctor can and will prescribe high doses of desoxyn and adderal. Most Pediatricians and family MDs won't take the of investigation from the DEA and FDA when they start dishing out high doses of either.

hope this helps, and if any 16yr old wants to argue, just know I have been in school/college/grad school longer than you have been on this earth.

feel free to pm if you have legitimate ?s. If you want to bitch, well, thats what recess is for little ones

(sorry if gets long winded, but those on amphedimines know how easy it is to go on and on, but I tried to be brief).