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awww.

so sorry to hear you going through this. I know how you feel. My 6yr old has been spazing all summer too. hang in there. It has to get better eventually. get back into dr. use every resource you have to help your family get through this

Good luck

;IMac38943.4819675926Thats the thing you can descibe to the doc all you like about how they behave, & there they are acting like little angel infront of the doc, but soon as you walk out the door its a jackel & hyde thing.My ds has been bouncing off the walls since we got back from vacation 2
days ago. Change in rountine and scenery did it. I am getting him back
slowly to his more calm self. We had to go back to the regular dosage
during vacation and right now to help him out. We had cut down by half for
the summer and I hope to cut down again before school starts in 2 weeks.
Hang in there. I feel like my ds goes thru "cycles" of great behavior and
wildness..IMac38943.4822222222

jude has been a nightmare,he is back to the behavior he had 6 months ago,hitting his sister,running away,hyper all the time,not sleeping,swinging from the curtains,jumping all over the furniture,terrorising the cats ct... and we were doing so well,the homeopathy is not working neither is the melatonin.today he was running the all lenght of the house and back again,when we went to the shop he touched everything.we have not changed how we deal with him.i don't know if it is because of the holidays,the change of routine,not going to nursery and his dad being home instead of offshore.i hope that what it is.

My guess is that meds may calm him down, but he really needs other interventions beyond just that. He seems to have transition and sensory issues--OT/PT and still could use speech. Although I know you aren't getting the autism diagnosis, he has so many symptoms, it may help him immensely to give him the same interventions. My feeling, and you'll have to see for yourself, is that ADHD meds alone won't do enough for him. He has too many other things going on. Interventions can make the difference between functional and non-functional kid. I'm not sure how it works in your country, but I'd want speech, OT, PT and social skills several times a week from the school district. This is what helped my son WAY before he got an ASD dx. and Jude is a lot like my son used to be (and still may be without the intervening). Meds alone can do wonders for stand alone ADHD (I've seen it). If there are other issues, it can't address them though--do what ya can to help the little guy out in life :) The main thing is to intervene on the symptoms and don't worry about the label. Speech will help him stop echoing and teach him to converse on more topics than just the few he is interested in. My son also used to do this. He still does, to a point, but he's MUCH better now. MomWI38937.219837963thanks momw,he won't get that kind of help at the school i think,the teachers and i had to beg just to get an extra teacher at his nursery next term.i think our psy is quite good and he still thinks jude is on the autistic spectrum,he probably will have more testing when he start school next year,it is more likely in the school setting his true diagnosis will come to light.there is a special school here in stonehaven.I wish you luck. Wow. Here you can get interventions even before two (my son did and all we had was a 'maybe ADHD' dx. then). I wish you luck. ASD kids need early and often interventions. Since so many of the ADHD kids on this board have so many ASD symptoms (and may yet end up being dxd. ASD) I'm starting to think it's smart to push for those interventions even with just an ADHD dx. If the same problems exist, there is no way for any professional to know what the child really has, and putting off interventions is never good. And a med may help the ADHD part (hyper/inattention), but can't fix the speech problems, social skills, and life skills that all these kids so desperately need. (((Hugs))) and wishing you the best. MomWI38937.3002083333That's too bad you have to wait to get Jude services. The earlier the interventions, the better the outcome, I think. DD has had speech since 2, OT and social developmental program from age 3 to 5. I think if I had to wait until 5 to get services, she would really not be functioning very well socially or in school today. But better late than never, I suppose!

4MYSONTJHE DOCTORS IN BRITAIN REFUSE TO MEDICATE UNTIL 6 YEARS OLD SO WE HAVE TO WAIT AND WE ARE TRYING EVERYTHINGELSE UNTIL THEN AND HOPE IT WORKS.WHEN THE TIME COME,WE'LL DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR HIM AND IF IT IS MEDS SO BE IT.

WE ALWAYS HAVE OUR APPOINTMENT IN THE MORNINGS WHEN JUDE IS AT HIS BEST BEHAVIOR

If it is some change of routine that could be why or just a phaze, my child will do that sometimes. The only other thing could be maybe the natural stuff is not working anymore but wait it could be what I have already listed.

As for behavior at the doctors office if they have later hours schedule one when you know he will be at his best. I did that and it worked she was wild and when we were leaving threw a good tantrum over not getting an extra sticker. The doctor made eye contact with me as I was dragging her out. The next day when I called I got a referral for our psychologist and he also saw my list of concerns.

Scotmama and Scotdaddy you are not alone if that helps any. Brandon has been very excited lately. He has been going in fast mode. I have a lot of trouble keeping up with him. He is 11 so I don't have to be with him every second. The magnesium and passion flower are not helping him sleep. He is up until 10pm or so! I think maybe he is bored.

I'm really not sure. I try to keep him busy. I am exhausted by the end of the day at times. He has much more energy then I do. He isn't in karate or scouts in the summer though since both groups have taken the summer off. Maybe he misses his routine. Obviously he is not in school either. I just allow him to have computer time some days so I can relax. Maybe Jude is bored too. I am making an appointment with his naturopath tomorrow when she returns from her vacation. I really hope she has some suggestions for me.

scottmoma and scottdaddy

I know you guys have elected to not medicate. And I respect you for doing what you feel is in the best interest of your child. (on the side I enjoy your sense of humor... I truely believe no matter what route we choose as parents for our children that we need to keep humor in our lives)

I have to share that I have done the opposite and have elected to medicate with a small dosage of focalin xr and a nutritional diet. We've seen our son become much more stable and easy to be around. He is all boy and loves to have fun but now knows how to settle down when he needs to. We also have him in play thearapy. This helps tremendously. He is a wonderfully happy 4 1/2 year old boy on most days.

My question to you guys is if your son is struggling as you mention why wouldn't you want to try something that would help him? I know there are reports that state medicating isn't safe etc... but that is the case with all medicines as well as some foods.

My son's dad is back in the hospital and it is the 2nd time in a year that my son has seen his dad taken by ambulance. Only this time he is able to handle his emotions much better and is able to express himself. I thank God that he has the right kind of support through family, doctors, therapists, daycare teachers and medicine. I'm quite sure things would be different otherwise. What use to be a frustrated and easily agitated young boy is now a average active little boy who has his moments just like any one of us do.

I'm not critizing your choice I just am trying to understand a different view on the topic. My son's dad has always had some ad/hd issues as well as maybe some other issues that are not diagnosed. I often wonder if his parents would have had the opportunity to get him help as a small child if he would be a healthier man today.

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He might be having some sensory issues. When my son was little, I would do one of three things which seemed to help reset his wiring and calm him a bit.

1) Take him to the park and let him swing on a swing. Particularly helpful were 'airplanes' (swinging on his tummy)

We spend many many hours at the parks and swimming pools to try to help him burn off all the extra energy. Its more like he has a dynamo attached and he is continually powering up!

2) Have him jump on a mini trampoline. Or a large ball (like one of those kangaroo hoppers with a handle). Or, if you don't mind, the bed.

Jude has a trampoline and a climbing frame and a swing in the garden ( little bugger broke our bed in the middle by jumping off the windowsill to get a bigger bounce) loves the bouncy hopper and has taken to pushing his chute over to the washing whirrly and runing up the chute to grab hold and spin round, the whirly is at an angle now as he has bent it. He also pulled down his curtain rail yesterday trying to be Peter Pan singing following the leader.

3) Play 'sandwich'. Have him lie on a pillow, and he's the 'turkey' (or whatever meat you want). Then you spread on the ketchup, relish, mayo, salt, pepper whatever - it doesn't matter, the firm stroking you do as you are putting on the 'condiments' helps center them. Then you put another pillow on top and 'eat' the yummy sandwich (lean on the pillow - the pressure is calming for many kids).

We spend a couple of hours rough housing a day saying get in my belly Like from Austin powers but when he dose play this gets high and end up messaging him with lavender oil to calm him down after

Good Luck

We havent been back to see psyc yet ,we don't have to worry about him being an angel there as he goes full ADHD mode as soon as he enters his office.quite funny actually

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He might be having some sensory issues. When my son was little, I would do one of three things which seemed to help reset his wiring and calm him a bit.

1) Take him to the park and let him swing on a swing. Particularly helpful were 'airplanes' (swinging on his tummy)

2) Have him jump on a mini trampoline. Or a large ball (like one of those kangaroo hoppers with a handle). Or, if you don't mind, the bed.

Good Luck