What is wrong with my son? | ADHD Information
[QUOTE=lillian] I predict there will be many discussions about autism... [/QUOTE]
OH lillian, thank you, you gave me the best belly laugh I have had in days!!! 
[QUOTE=lillian] I predict there will be many discussions about autism... [/QUOTE]
and they will all have some one named psm, no wait, wimom, no that cannot be it either. Pammer! yeah that's the one for today.
i need to stop. that was not too nice.
[QUOTE=pammar] We've discussed the eerie symptoms of ADHD and ASD being the same. [/QUOTE]
OMG! LOL! Yes, we have, haven't we? Gosh, I wonder why we have, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over?
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thank goodness. i thought i was just clairvoyant and could see into the future. the saga continues.
Hello To everyone. I am new here but was reading Craigs post and had a few words for him.
My daughter is 12 yo now, but I had the very same issues that you are having with your child. Mind you I was also going through some home problems like divorce at that time which I am sure didn't help. My daughter was up and down all day long at school going to the bathroom, disrupting classes, sitting in her own little corner of the room doing her own thing, wouldn't take redirection well, also several other things. It took going to her doctor pretty often and adjusting meds quite a bit until we found the right ones for her. She started out on Ritalin...... I would never put a child on Ritalin personally because of my experiences with it. I am an EMT so I puilled her off of it as soon as I saw some negative side effects. Then she was put on 20mg of Strattera which did help but didn't help alot. So then we put her on a Strattera/ Concerta mix, which was amazing for a few years. Then she no longer reacted to the Concerta so we had to change agian. Now she is in 6th grade and on 40 mg of Strattera and had the best report card she has ever had at the end of last year. Mind you she still has some problems with impulse control and such, they are really minor. So along with getting your child on the right meds, you are going to have to spend alot of "personal" time with your child teaching impulse control among many other things. Also my divorce I was speaking of has been finalized and I have custody of my daughter to where she is in a very stable loving home with few distractions. All I can say is keep with your child, don't give up and get him on the right meds for him. Take care, hope everything turns out great!
Oh, pleeeeease! That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever read of yours, Pam. You know that I have an autistic nephew and that my sister is mentally ill with psychotic depression and what I strongly suspect is Asperger's, but we can't get past the psychotic depression to get a clear dx of autism. You know that I have fought the court system and paid thousands of dollars to get my sister help, which she was continually denied because she was an adult. You know that I finally did have her hospitalized for six months last year, and my father and I are now her state-appointed guardians. To say to ME that I don't believe other disorders exist is an insult. I've lived with it every damn day of my life. In addition, I have a son who is comorbid. He does not JUST HAVE ADHD.
Geez! You're ridiculous!
And many of the kids will end up with that diagnosis (shrug). And people will continue to PM me when things end up like this because they want to know. Not all will, but many do. And Ogram and Lilian will continue to get offended if anyone suggests that an undiagnosed child has anything other than ADHD. And, let's see, theyw ill remain ananymous, unwilling to talk to anyone, unwilling to check out any other sites to learn about other disorders, and will try to ridicule newbies into thinking it's only ADHD because ADHD causes everything from severe speech delays to earthquakes in China. And, um, there are no such thing as misdiagnosed kids, nope, they all have ADHD. If they flap their arms, kick the teacher in t he gut, swear, take drugs, etc. it's all due to that pesty ADHD impulsivity and just up the Concerta or try another stimulant. Don't EVER think the child may have anything else. I mean ADHD is the only disorder kid's have and don't look anywhere else. Just ask your pediatrician for Adderrall and everything will be all right 
Yup, that' helps a lot, especially if you have a child with more than ADHD and are currently in denial. The whole world has ADHD. THere is no such thing as early onset bipolar, ASD, or anything else.
Strongly suggest newbies post on another site. As you can see, this one can be silly. You can also pm me anytime. My son was diagnosed wrong twice: ADHD/ODD, then bipolar. This post of mine will likely incite ogram and lillian to make more jokes, but they won't help your child at all. For a more balanced view with A LOT of opinions go to
Lilian and Ogram won't post there. They'd be laughed off the boards for saying everything is ADHD. Also, people will have various ideas/opinions there and you have to be respectful as it is carefully monitored. Good luck, and let the circus continue (but I won't be reading it--I just hope this parent and others finds a more serious forum with better help). Let the insults fly!!!
Ogram, you ever think of publishing a book on your world famous marble system? It would be revolutionary. I'm sure that nobody has ever heard of reward systems before. You could end up on Oprah!
Ok, over and out. I'll let this thread be taken over by those who are certain the world's problems are 100% due to ADHD, even before somebody is diagnosed. Cya!
Suggest sites where you can learn about many other disorders (especially childbrain site) Be sure to read about Aspergers and PDD-NOS. There are tons of other disorders there, ADHD included.
www.autism-pdd.net/forum/forum_topics.asp?...
www.childbrain.com/pddassess.html
Or write me directly at psm0904@gmail.cm
I am happy to talk to ogram and lillian in e-mail too, as long as it's a civilized discussion. Otherwise, it will go into the trash, only partially read (to the point of disrespect).
I really do want to help kids. ADHD has many mimickers. "Leave no stone unturned."
Take care.
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I have a prediction that Lillian and Ogram wont do a thing to help this person, but will continue this thread. I know how many posts are here and will see if my crystal ball is right.
I also predict that if a kid has a speech delay, no social skills, school problems, etc. it will all be chalked up to ADHD and that the idea of seeing a Neuropsych will be ridiculed. After all, why see one? Lilian and Ogram have already diagnosed your child...
IT's ADHD!!!! THEY KNOW! SAVE YOUR MONEY! It's only the future of your child at stake, and they have spoken
Ogram, you really need to learn about other disorders. You have no knowledge of them. If you're going to ridicule other suggestions at least know what you're talking about (you don't). Well, I won't revisit this thread, but, yes, will continue to tell people of ADHD mimickers so that they can get their child diagnosed correctly rather than snap diagnosed and put on stims, which are greatly abused by teenagers.
pammar38970.2671296296[QUOTE=pammar]And many of the kids will end up with that diagnosis (shrug). And people will continue to PM me when things end up like this because they want to know. Not all will, but many do. And Ogram and Lilian will continue to get offended if anyone suggests that an undiagnosed child has anything other than ADHD. And, let's see, theyw ill remain ananymous, unwilling to talk to anyone, unwilling to check out any other sites to learn about other disorders, and will try to ridicule newbies into thinking it's only ADHD because ADHD causes everything from severe speech delays to earthquakes in China. And, um, there are no such thing as misdiagnosed kids, nope, they all have ADHD. If they flap their arms, kick the teacher in t he gut, swear, take drugs, etc. it's all due to that pesty ADHD impulsivity and just up the Concerta or try another stimulant. Don't EVER think the child may have anything else. I mean ADHD is the only disorder kid's have and don't look anywhere else. Just ask your pediatrician for Adderrall and everything will be all right Yup, that' helps a lot, especially if you have a child with more than ADHD and are currently in denial. The whole world has ADHD. THere is no such thing as early onset bipolar, ASD, or anything else.
Strongly suggest newbies post on another site. As you can see, this one can be silly. You can also pm me anytime. My son was diagnosed wrong twice: ADHD/ODD, then bipolar. This post of mine will likely incite ogram and lillian to make more jokes, but they won't help your child at all. For a more balanced view with A LOT of opinions go to
Lilian and Ogram won't post there. They'd be laughed off the boards for saying everything is ADHD. Also, people will have various ideas/opinions there and you have to be respectful as it is carefully monitored. Good luck, and let the circus continue (but I won't be reading it--I just hope this parent and others finds a more serious forum with better help). Let the insults fly!!!
Ogram, you ever think of publishing a book on your world famous marble system? It would be revolutionary. I'm sure that nobody has ever heard of reward systems before. You could end up on Oprah!
Ok, over and out. I'll let this thread be taken over by those who are certain the world's problems are 100% due to ADHD, even before somebody is diagnosed. Cya!
Suggest sites where you can learn about many other disorders (especially childbrain site) Be sure to read about Aspergers and PDD-NOS. There are tons of other disorders there, ADHD included.
www.autism-pdd.net/forum/forum_topics.asp?...
www.childbrain.com/pddassess.html
Or write me directly at psm0904@gmail.cm
I am happy to talk to ogram and lillian in e-mail too, as long as it's a civilized discussion. Otherwise, it will go into the trash, only partially read (to the point of disrespect).
I really do want to help kids. ADHD has many mimickers. "Leave no stone unturned."
Take care.
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I have a prediction that Lillian and Ogram wont do a thing to help this person, but will continue this thread. I know how many posts are here and will see if my crystal ball is right.
I also predict that if a kid has a speech delay, no social skills, school problems, etc. it will all be chalked up to ADHD and that the idea of seeing a Neuropsych will be ridiculed. After all, why see one? Lilian and Ogram have already diagnosed your child...
IT's ADHD!!!! THEY KNOW! SAVE YOUR MONEY! It's only the future of your child at stake, and they have spoken 
Ogram, you really need to learn about other disorders. You have no knowledge of them. If you're going to ridicule other suggestions at least know what you're talking about (you don't). Well, I won't revisit this thread, but, yes, will continue to tell people of ADHD mimickers so that they can get their child diagnosed correctly rather than snap diagnosed and put on stims, which are greatly abused by teenagers.
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[QUOTE=pammar]I'm glad this is going on and on because more people are learning about other possibilities besides just ADHD. I didn't read joesmom's post, but she is lucky that her son really does have stand alone ADHD, but, like the others and myself, we can't diagnose anything. We can debate forever, but you need to see a NeuroPsych. Yes, some people spent money only to find it was ADHD. Most have been very happy with the results. Don't short change your child by accepting diagnoses by parents. WE DON'T KNOW. Get a multi-disciplinary evaluation if a NeuroPsych isn't covered. A multi-disciplinary exam usually is, and you can find one by calling a children's or university hospital. They are a bunch of professionals who will test your child in many areas. Before you give your kid a pill, which IS sometimes necessary, see if he needs it and what pill he needs. And always be careful with your c hild. It's far better to be safe than sorry. Trust me, we learned that the hard way. Early intervetnion is far superior to finding out, when a kid is a teen, that the diagnosis was either wrong or partial. Be proactive. [/QUOTE]
Now, if you have any thing else to add, do so. report me to the admin, don't trash up the message boards with your b.s. and DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!! I DO NOT THINK SPEECH DELAYS HAVE ANY THING TO DO WITH ADHD. THAT IS MY OPINION, YOU NEVER STOPPED TO ASK ME, BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU DON'T STOP TO ASK ANY ONE ANY THING, YOU JUST PUSH AND PUSH AND THEN WHAT? WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED HERE ON THESE BOARDS? THINK ABOUT IT. YOU SINGLED OUT LILLIAN AND ME. YOU PICKED THE WRONG PERSON DIDN'T YOU. CONSIDER YOURSELF REPORTED!
Pammar NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I am not lucky my son has ADHD...I would be lucky if he had NOTHING but this is not the nothing board or the autistic board....it is the ADHD board so I post here...
ADHD is not nothing
we have lots of challenges and worries and hopes and fears just like any parent of a child who has a disability.
Pammar, perhaps if you saved your ASD diagnosis for the ones who truly might have other issues you would be more credible....you say this to almost every poster. And YES you said this to me when I was a newbie. You were psm at the time.
In your earlier post you told me to let the parents decide...well how about you doing the same thing.
pammer...don't you have anything positive to contribute????
we know there are other disorders out there...no one debates that
some of the people have been nothing but honest in stating that their family members have some of the disorders you mention and some cases have more than one disorder
none of us are ignorant... we all have done our research...and all understand that sometimes things are incorrectly diagnosed
I think the problem is the approach you take it getting your word out...you just like to use scare tactics with new people. Maybe you should work on other ways to share your views... ways that are productive
I know that when I first started looking at options for my son I wanted to rule out everything... I knew something was wrong but I didn't know what for sure. I left it in the hands of the professionals and God. I had to trust that the trained individuals would help my son and that God would watch over him. I thank goodness didn't listen to scare tactics such as yours. I tried to be reasonable and understand that everyone has different scenarios. I can only hope that newbies listen to their hearts and not the scarey stories.
Your child:
*Can't sit still
*Makes noises in class
*Had a slight speech problem which is now resolved
*Has some social issues when he first meets a new person
*Has average eye contact
*Plays well with toys
*Is fine socially after the initial introduction
*Has a sense of danger
Based on the above I have no idea why ASD was even brought up in this post.
At this point I would simply educate yourself on ADHD. Check into classroom accomodations, maybe a social skills class. Maybe you could set up a reward system with the teacher to address one particular behavior, like the noises. Research how to handle transition issues. The Alert Program might be useful. See if you can make some changes. Try an Omega-3 supplement.
Regarding the neuropsyhe, there is minimal testing that can be done before age 6. You won't get the 8-9 hrs of testing. If you do it at a young age the chance of coming up with a misdiagnosis or missing a comorbid condition is higher. They cost a lot of money. Mine was 00. Usually insurance does not cover it. If they do, I'd question whether they'd do it again in a 2-3 years when you really need it. The core question is whether your child is learning in class -- are there any academic issues? If there are, maybe you should evaluate now. I would have a conversation with your pediatrician about the timing of the evaluation, and maybe call your insurance company and get the scoop. These conditions change and morph over time. I think the timing of the evaluation warrants some serious contemplating.
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Speech delays. Many ASD kids have average eye contact. He has poor social skills. Why not let the mom go with her gut and go to a NeuroPsych. He can tell her what is wrong with the child. I can't and you can't. ASD is not etched in stone and the kids vary, as do kids with ADHD. Let the professionals sort it out. It's brought up because, like your post, people often don't understand it. They think the child has to be non-verbal and staring at the ground to have it, and that's just not the case. Let her go with her gut instinct. If she posted on the ASD board, the feedback would be quite different. You don't know if this child has ADHD. Nor do I. Or anybody here. Here is another good site with proficient parents. (In no way did this woman say her child was "fine.") I find it scary that parents would discourage this woman from seeking an evaluation. I hope she ignores that and does it anyways. Our NeuroPsych was 100% covered. And, yes, there is always a chance ANY professional will misdiagnose. Many here, diagnosed with ADHD, will find their kids have more going on as they get older. The first dx. is rarely the last one. You can see this trend on the Conduct Disorders site. Ma'am, if you're interested, do what a lot of people do, and send me a PM. That way I can direct you to professionals and sites that can help you more. I will even be willing to talk to you on the phone. I've talked to many parents that way when the group here insisted their child had ADHD and nothing else. I'm not saying your child DOESN'T have ADHD, but my son had that diagnosis once, and it's foolish to close your mind. I"m here if you want to talk (this applies to anyone). Unlike others, I will give out my private e-mail and phone # and tell you our story and what I learned from it.
These parents are very aware of ALL disorders and tend to give excellent feedback/suggestions/help. And you'll get a big response.
pammar38969.3516435185Yes, I've heard your viewpoint many many many times. The timing of the eval is the issue, not whether to get it. This is best discussed with the pediatrician for reasons that I've outlined above. My neuro-psyche would not evaluate my son before age 7. The number of tests available for children under 7 is perhaps 1/3 of what is normally available. [QUOTE=NoTellin]Your child:
*Can't sit still
*Makes noises in class
*Had a slight speech problem which is now resolved
*Has some social issues when he first meets a new person
*Has average eye contact
*Plays well with toys
*Is fine socially after the initial introduction
*Has a sense of danger
Based on the above I have no idea why ASD was even brought up in this post.
At this point I would simply educate yourself on ADHD. Check into classroom accomodations, maybe a social skills class. Maybe you could set up a reward system with the teacher to address one particular behavior, like the noises. Research how to handle transition issues. The Alert Program might be useful. See if you can make some changes. Try an Omega-3 supplement.
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LMAO i agree. but this is exactly what pammer does on every post. Not all children that have the listed above issues have ASD. Just because hers does doesn't mean the other children here do. Remember wimom? she was her and wimom was banned. Now she changed her name, came back, and is right back trying to dictate and scare parents into things that have NOTHING to do with ASD. I would feel sorry for her, if she had not been warned and then continued and was banned. She cannot get the hint. It's is maddening!
I'm a moderator, if you feel the need to report this problem poster, pm me and i'll get it to the admin. And Pammer, please, if you choose to address me, do it in the basement or by pm. don't scare away any more new members because of your own agenda.
my son is also 4 and had the same problems at nursery.his child psychologist asked for an educationnal psychologist to see him and he got an IEP,he has a teacher just for him who is always there to encourage him to concentrate and to help him transition from one task to another.he is doing very well with it but we are aware that it will be different at primary school.
my son is ADHD only and is not medicated as here they don't medicate until 6 years old.we are trying homeopathy,play therapy,massage therapy and behavioral therapy with no much luck so far but we persevere
how is his sleep and his sense of danger?
I'm not trying to scare anyone (sigh). It is silly not to see the NeuroPsych. If a child has a speech delay and quirky behavior it is ridiculous not to check out all possibilities. ADHD doesn't cause everything, and you don't know if he has it. I don't either. A NeuroPsych is the most thorough professional around. ASD is nothing to be terrified of. It's just another label, like ADHD, that needs different interventions. There is a lot of misinformation about it, and a lot of the k ids here are probably on the spectrum, and the parents will later on wish they'd done interventions earlier. It can't hurt and can only help. Even if it's ADHD, with other features, the child should be getting extra help. A pill isn't going to solve the quirky behavior or make this child know how to interact with others. And that's important in the big picture. It also won't stop the aggression. Joesmom, it's nice that your son only has ADHD. But that's not always the case. Let the parent decide what to do. In this particular case, no pill is going to solve it all. It may help the child focus better, but it won't teach the child how to interact with other children and it won't help any speech pragmatic problems or conversational issues that the child has. No pill can do that. Interventions help. There is a tendancy to expect the pill to perform miracles and, in some cases, it can. But it often is hardly the whole picture. We've discussed the eerie symptoms of ADHD and ASD being the same. This child hasn't even been SEEN yet. You don't know if he has ADHD or something more. pammar38969.2808217593He sleeps great. I think he has a good sense of danager.
Craig, I agree with Ogram and take him to a different doctor. We go to a neurologist and my son was on meds since 41/2. I did this because I wanted him to be able to learn something in kinder. We still had a few issues but it was mainly because we did not find the med that was the best for him until 1st grade. This medication process is trial and error. Good luck with you. I agree that many impulsive ADHDers have acted like you son when they were little..
Esmom38987.2854050926[QUOTE=pammar] We've discussed the eerie symptoms of ADHD and ASD being the same. [/QUOTE]
OMG! LOL! Yes, we have, haven't we? Gosh, I wonder why we have, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over?
When my son was 4 our psychologist labeled him with mild ADHD. She recommended behavioral counseling. He is now 5 and we are having problems in Kindergarten.
His teacher says the morning starts off good but once they have circle time my son can't sits still. Also, if they are doing an activity and switch to another one my son can't let go...poor transition.
If the teacher ask my son to stop making noise, he will get on his hands and knees and crawl to the corner.
My son can get re-direct after a couple of minutes and can work on projects until completion. The teacher says he is very focused when he plays math games, and puzzles.
I know he probably needs to see a neuropsych.
Has anyone experienced this kind of behavior with their child? If so, is it ADHD?
we all have the same and/or similar experiences with our adhd children. Have you decided to treat the adhd with medications?Not yet, our doc does not want to medicate until my son reaches 6 years of age.what kind of doctor is he seeing? I would strongly suggest you take him to a neuropsy (md). I cannot tell you if he needs meds or not, but i cans say that my experience is that my son went on meds at 3. he is SEVERE adhd and it's was only going to be until he healed from his surgeries (ears, tonsils and adenoids). After that, man I realized what a difference it made. He was sit still, listen and follow directions. I don't see any thing wrong with medicating at that age, but you should get a second opinion with a specialist.
I did. My son has ASD (autistic spectrum disorder), but he was diagnosesd with ADHD. See the NeuroPsych and see what he says. You may also want to post here:
www.autism-pdd.net/forum/forum_topics.asp?...
Did he have any developmental delays, such as speech problems? Does he relate well to others? Make good eye contact? Play well with toys? My son can focus forever on things he is interested in, but has ADHD inattentiveness if he isn't. They mimic each other. The weird noises and hiding in a corner (or under a desk or under a table, etc.) are charactoristic of ASD. But don't take my word. Go to the ASD board where other parents can tell you about their kids. The problem with THIS board (and it's not really a problem) is that the people tend to think everything is ADHD and that, if it is, a pill will be a miracle. Not true on both fronts. My son's first dx. was ADHD and I would go slow on the stimulants. My son was on them for three years and he never really needed them. He needed school interventions. It's tricky. Even if it's ADHD, no pill will solve every problem. A NeuroPsych can assess what he has and they are VERY thorough and do a lot of testing.
pammar38968.8430902778He had a slight speech delay but now his speech is normal. He does not relate to others well. When he meets someone new he needs to pretend he is a monster to get thier attenetion....then he is fine.He makes average eye contact and plays very well with toys.
my son had a speech delay. A bad one! but that doesn't mean ASD.
Craig, do not let pammer scare you, this is what she does to every person that comes here for support.
My son's speech improved too. The delay was a warning sign anyways. Many ASD kids improve after four/five years old, but it's there in subtle ways. I'd still have him see a NeuroPsych. You'd be better off checking it out. Here's an online test that is very accurate if the parent answers honestly. I don't know WHAT your son has, but, as of now, nobody does, and I would take him to the NeuroPsych. They test in ways other professionals don't. Check the PDD board and talk to those moms and take the test. Can't hurt. May help.
www.childbrain.com/pddassess.html
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