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I laughed when I read your post.  Our boys could be the same child by what you describe.

It is frustrating though.  I've found that you really have to change your expectations and accept that your kid need help doing things that other kids that age can do on their own.  We now use checklists for everything.  There is one for cleaning his room, one for the morning routine, one for the evening routine, one for the bathroom (although he still needs supervision there cause he's become soap-phobic).  Everything is broken down into single steps.  We've realized that he's not gonna be able to locate things and have scheduled extra time into everything for the missing shoes, toys, coats, etc.  I actually took him to school with 2 different shoes on once. 

My son also a sister two years younger and we've worried for several years that she's going to catch up to/pass him academically.  She's already beyond him in the ability to follow multistep directions and organization (she's almost 6, he's 8).  There's really not much you can do about it though, except make sure you don't compare them.

Has your son been formally diagnosed?  If not that should be your first step, then you can decide on a plan to treat him.  We use a combo of meds (ritalin la) and a reward system (see the thread on Ogram's Marble System- it works great).  He has a student support plan at school that gives him classroom accomodations and he sees a developmental therapist every other week to deal with some "emotional reactivity"  and anxiety.  

You also mentioned that yelling seems to be the only thing that gets his attention.  Kids with ADHD will often provoke the yelling because it is stimulating.  You'll have to try to break that cycle though, cause once he realizes you're not going to yell anymore he'll stop trying to get you to yell (as much). Another great resource is a book called 123 Magic.  It's a very simple behavioral program, easy to follow and we've had great success with it.

I'm happy to have found this board.
Since I know everyone here understands the feelings and the frustrations which I am dealing with, I may be a little more frank here than I ordinarily would. Please understand that it's my frustration venting in what I hope is a safe place.

My relationship with my 8-year-old SS has always been a little rough. Some of that undoubtedly came from the dynamics of a new family and many horrific problems we were having with his bio-dad.
But things have continued to be rough, and even our most patient family members have been pushed by his behavior.
From what I have read here, he is far from being the worst case around. He is really a sweet, good-natured, and loving kid.
His Mom is a super Mom - super loving, super patient, and super quiet. Yet she loses her temper sometimes.
* He is a terrible listener - you can talk to him while he looks you right in the eye, and he'll suddenly say, "Uh, what?"
* You can tell him to turn off the light in his room, and he'll return 30 seconds later to tell you that he forgot what you asked him to do.
* If he is looking for a toy, he can be standing 6 inches away from its place on the floor and he will spend 10 swiveling his head around in circles looking for it.
*  You can send him into his room and tell him to bring some specific thing back, and he will return 5 minutes later, telling you that he's looked everywhere and cannot find it. When you go to his room, the thing he was looking for is laying in the middle of the floor.
* He talks almost non-stop and has done so since he was about 2.5 years old.
* He interrupts conversations all day.
* Other kids at school think he's weird because he makes funny noises.
* He is having trouble at school because he can't sit still and he can't focus.
* It can take him 2 hours to do a 15-minute homework assignment because he has so much trouble checking his work. He will bring his homework in to me 5 separate times, each time saying that he has fixed all the errors. (And these are errors that he can catch himself when he pays attention.)
* He makes the same mistakes several times a day, every day: not flushing the toilet, leaving clothes all over the floor, leaving his jacket at school, leaving his lunchbox at school, leaving his homework at school, etc. etc. etc.
* He breaks almost all of his toys and loses their parts within hours of getting them.
* He sucks on his clothing, sometimes leaving his entire shirt front soaking wet.

It's been 5 years of frustration, and now that we are seeing him as having ADHD, I am having to suddenly, overnight, change all of my ways of disciplining, coping, etc. And it's really really difficult.

I find myself yelling at him everyday because it seems to be the only way to get his attention. No punishment or reward system seems to make much of a lasting impact on him.

My wife and I have had 2 dd's together and they are very sweet. Our 3-year old dd is more competent at some things than my 8-year-old ss. I am at my wit's end and don't know what to do from here...

Help.

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Martin Tando38995.6871759259Maybe you could look into parenting classes for ADHD children.  I think that could be one of the fastest ways to come up on the learning curve.  There really is a lot to learn about parenting these children.  I agree with the above.  You really have to readjust your expectations.  A good book to read to get started is called "Taking Control of ADHD".  That's a classic that's been around a while.  It has a good description of the brain's Executive Functions, and how ADHD is an executive function defecit.  Read, read, and read some more to get as educated as possible.  There are so many facets to learn about.  Good luck! My son is the same too lol yet has many other things going on he is very violent and abusive.My son cant look at you in the eyes when you talk to him but were in process of getting him diagnosed with aspergers syndrome too.Everything else was spot on though.My partner isnt my sons father and finds it really hard too, we are the same have had two children together who are *normal* whatever *normal* is.Im hoping it gets better as we too are at our wits end.Good luck x Are you sure my kid isn't living at your house?  We call ds "Mr. Oblivious" because he's the same way.  You send him to get something from his room and he comes back to say it isn't there.  I walk in the room and there it is in the middle of the floor!  Reward systems don't work for him, either.  I have always maintained standards that he is expected to meet, mostly in behavior.  I'm a real harda$$ on him but I've learned when to yield and be lenient, too. 

I try to break things down into steps.  I never say: clean up your room.  Instead it's a list.  Pick up all legos and put away.  Pick up all dirty clothes and put in the hamper.  Put all books on bookshelf, etc.  When I have to send him to get something for me I give him explicit instructions as to where it is "In the kitchen cabinet over the microwave, on the second shelf, on the right, above the casserole dishes."  I never ask him to go look for something, that's a lost cause.  We've seen some improvement, but mostly I thing that's just come with age. 

Get yourself a diagnosis.  Talk to your pdoc and get him/her to recommend a neuropsychologist to test him.  He may have other issues besides/along with ADHD.  That's your starting point and then it doesn't get easy, but it does get a little more straightforward.  You adapt your discipline to fit his ADHD.  The way you explain things, the way you teach and instruct.  You may want to try 1-2-3 Magic for discipline and read Driven to Distraction by Hallowell and Ratey and Stopping ADHD by O'Dell.  Check out the alternatives board, the medications board and the school issues board.  Educate yourself and you won't feel so helpless.  And don't go easy on him!  Don't be a tyrant, but have standards for kindness and behavior that he can strive to reach.  Learn to pick your battles and set priorities.  Make sure he knows that ADHD is a disorder, not and excuse.  He sounds like a great kid!
Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
My wife was also reassured to hear how many other folks have kids who are so similar to ss.
We are going to be bringing him in for an evaluation, and I've already ordered some of the books you've recommended.
This looks like a real challenge, but we're learning about it to learn how to deal with it.

[QUOTE=Martin Tando] I'm happy to have found this board.
Since I know everyone here understands the feelings and the frustrations which I am dealing with, I may be a little more frank here than I ordinarily would. Please understand that it's my frustration venting in what I hope is a safe place.

My relationship with my 8-year-old SS has always been a little rough. Some of that undoubtedly came from the dynamics of a new family and many horrific problems we were having with his bio-dad.
But things have continued to be rough, and even our most patient family members have been pushed by his behavior.
From what I have read here, he is far from being the worst case around. He is really a sweet, good-natured, and loving kid.
His Mom is a super Mom - super loving, super patient, and super quiet. Yet she loses her temper sometimes.
* He is a terrible listener - you can talk to him while he looks you right in the eye, and he'll suddenly say, "Uh, what?"
* You can tell him to turn off the light in his room, and he'll return 30 seconds later to tell you that he forgot what you asked him to do.
* If he is looking for a toy, he can be standing 6 inches away from its place on the floor and he will spend 10 swiveling his head around in circles looking for it.
*  You can send him into his room and tell him to bring some specific thing back, and he will return 5 minutes later, telling you that he's looked everywhere and cannot find it. When you go to his room, the thing he was looking for is laying in the middle of the floor.
* He talks almost non-stop and has done so since he was about 2.5 years old.
* He interrupts conversations all day.
* Other kids at school think he's weird because he makes funny noises.
* He is having trouble at school because he can't sit still and he can't focus.
* It can take him 2 hours to do a 15-minute homework assignment because he has so much trouble checking his work. He will bring his homework in to me 5 separate times, each time saying that he has fixed all the errors. (And these are errors that he can catch himself when he pays attention.)
* He makes the same mistakes several times a day, every day: not flushing the toilet, leaving clothes all over the floor, leaving his jacket at school, leaving his lunchbox at school, leaving his homework at school, etc. etc. etc.
* He breaks almost all of his toys and loses their parts within hours of getting them.
* He sucks on his clothing, sometimes leaving his entire shirt front soaking wet.

It's been 5 years of frustration, and now that we are seeing him as having ADHD, I am having to suddenly, overnight, change all of my ways of disciplining, coping, etc. And it's really really difficult.

I find myself yelling at him everyday because it seems to be the only way to get his attention. No punishment or reward system seems to make much of a lasting impact on him.

My wife and I have had 2 dd's together and they are very sweet. Our 3-year old dd is more competent at some things than my 8-year-old ss. I am at my wit's end and don't know what to do from here...

Help.

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You mention my 9 year old son so many times in your post!  YOu and your wife are very much not alone!!  My son also sucks on his shirt, i think it soothes him, he also has sensory integration. You should be commended for seeking help for your DSS, you are a better parent for it! My son was diagnosed at the age of 5 ( I personally diagnosed him at 2!). We started medication at the age of 6 due to the social problems at school and the labeling, which he is still wearing due to the type of town I live in - they are in denial. I go to refill the prescription but the pharmacy has sold out so I need to leave my town and go the the next town for the refill, however, noone in my town acknowledges adhd. It is very difficult some days, however, they cannot control these actions. First and foremost you need to go to a child psychologist for a Complete evaluation, there maybe more than one thing going on, including learning disabilites, then you need to decide how you and your wife will handle the situation. Medication is very personal, however, having a husband fight me tooth and nail not to medicate is now the one giving it to my son in the morning. My DH realizes now that he needs the medication. My son is an A student, playing football for the second year, plays basketball, baseball, is a chess whiz, lego champ, and ADHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHD! With the structure and love, as well as medication, my son will be successful in life as well as whatever career he chooses.

Your wife and you are far from being alone! Just keep posting and reading the posts, you'll realize how not so bad your DSS is. Does he have any activities outside school for social interaction? My son has trouble understanding social cues, very common with adhd'ers, so I took him out of town to meet new kids. That worked until he really got involved with sports. No real friends yet though!

I hope this helps!

Best  wishes,

Beth

don't feel bad about shouting at him,you are only human and sometimes we are not perfect.

now that you are on the path to understand him better,you'll find yourself shout less and less.(in theory anyway).

Welcome to the board.

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