ADHD and SID? | ADHD Information
Hi,
I am so impressed by your observations. Maybe your child is completely normal or maybe other issues, but I love a more proactive approach. Several years ago, autism was not diagnosed until early school years, now the earlier the better. Maybe someday we will see that ADHD also needs to be diagnosed much earlier for better results?? My ds does not have sensory issues, but I have read that the two can be together.
You are a great parent. I have known for a long time that my son was "special" (aka as different), but in a good way. However, it is a difficult path, and I have just started. If, you in your heart feel that things are not right, don't let anyone tell you different. I feel the earlier these problems are addressed the better. You can't MAKE her have these problems by having her evaluated, she has them or she doesn't. Right? Be the loving parent you are and go with your gut feeling. Good luck.
Do you have other children? Aside from her gritting and grinding, which could just be a quirk, what are her issues? You said she has sensory problems. Like? If she is not speech delayed, what is her speech issue? Is it possible that you are seeing things that really aren't a problem? It sounds like you've been to a lot of professionals, with no resulting diagnosis. Maybe you just got a daughter who is a surprise to you.
Hi everyone, thanks for the responses.
I wanted to add that I do have another child. My son is 10 months and I do not see any problems with him. He does have a different father though.
Her sensory profile came out that she is a seeker. She likes to touch (tactile) and she has vestibular problems. She can spin without getting dizzy, infact, she LOVES the office chair. She also jumps a lot, runs and crashes into things. She dresses up like a super hero and dives into the couch over and over - she is flying:) She also has the one in her joints - I cant remember what that one is though - this is why they said she making her movement. Part of our therapy is having her play with vibrating toys to feed her imput so she does not need to seek it out herself.
Her speech issues are hard to explain. She has been tested on her speech development three times. She is testing out at the age appropriate level. She can talk - she actually talks NON-STOP. It can get frusterating at times. But, sometimes she will say things that make no sense. When she gets mad at her brother she will say "I am going to blow fire on you." She cant just say she is mad. It is hard for her to express what is on her mind. She also does not say the word "why" she will just say "because..." or "ummmm" is "what." She asks a lot of the same questions. I have told her daily that I liked to eat ceral when I was little but every morning while she is eating I hear "did you like to eat ceral when you were little?" Her sentence structure is really poor, she will say things like "where mommy at is?" or "what that is?" Its odd - she does not seem connected at times. She also says elevators are allagators and pepperoni is maccaroni. I can go on and on. One speech therapist said she had a pragmatic weakness and her OT said its most likely auditory processing.
Trust me, I wonder ALL the time if I am "one of those mom's." :) But, that hand movement is what really scares me. Its odd and I know that is not "normal." I hate the word by the way.
I dont know. I guess time will tell but I HATE the wait:)
Thanks for listening and thank you so much for the replies!
[QUOTE=nelsonk]Hello, first off, thank you for reading.
Just a quick run down on my LONG journey. I have a four year old daughter and from day one, I noticed she was a little more active than the average baby. But, she was always very happy, so, I was too.
She was about one years old when I noticed she would clench her hands and grind her teeth whenever she got excited. This is when it all started...
I had a fear of autism because of her movement. In her lifetime she has seen a ped. neuro. and two developmental peds. On top of that she has also been evaluated by our local school district and a private speech therapist and a private occupational therapist. I just wanted to be sure:)
Everyone who has seen her agrees, she is not on the spectrum. She did not qualify for any services through the school district, she scored at age level and was found to have no developmental delays.
My daughter is hyper, very distractable but very fun loving, affectionate, has a wonderful imagination and has normal eye contact. She is also in preschool and loves the kids and even talks about her "boyfriend" at home. The only signs of autism are her sensory issues and I have been told that sensory issues can happen outside of autism.
There is a family history of ADHD. Two out the three doctors feel she has it. One doctor may diagnose but we have one more appointment before he will make a final dx.
Anyway, my question is, how often does ADHD mix in with SID? Her sensory problems are very obvious but her ADHD is not. From what I understand, ADHD and SID can mimic eachother.
CAPD is also suspected with my daughter. She is not language delayed but does have some issues when it comes to her speech. I was told she cannot be tested for it yet, she is too young. But, a speech therapist may begin therapy for her as if she was already dx.
I feel like my little girl is a mess, it kills me. Please dont get me wrong, I am not dissapointed in her, just sad that she has to go through so much.
Can anyone tell me how common these two disorders are together? Just for my own peice of mind, can anyone tell me if ADHD kids have the movments I described in my daughter? Also, are four year olds typically medicated? This was a suggestion but I dont know if she is too young. Thanks again for your help.
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My son had adhhhhhhd, with speech delay and sensory. He went to Early Intervention from 2-3. At 3 he was sent to the integrated preschool for services, which they denied him due to not wanting to pay (typical fight in public schools/towns)Anyway I got an IEP from them for his speech and OT for sensory. He was diagnosed before age 5 with adhd. Started meds. at almost 7 and he is still receiving speech and OT for sensory. A lot of people talk about speech and sensory with adhd. Sensory mimics adhd I feel when I read about it, especially by the author who came up with the sensory disorder. I believe my son's sensory issues are why he has a speech problem. You child should start services as early as possible. I believe my son has made the progress that he has because of that. It is a constant fight with my town to keep the services because they don't want to pay, however, it would be cheaper in the long run if they provide them now so they don't have to provide them later and he improves quicker! Your insurance may cover both speech and ot. I would have a private evaluation at a childrens hospital and then bring into the school to get them to agree to services, that is what I have had to do!
Oh, and my son is doing fine, we deal with all the adhd stuff that you may read on these boards like others, but he is fine, and doing very well in school academically, on meds and eating and sleeping well too!
I hope this is of some help!
THE SCARY THING IS THERE ARE 50 CONDITIONS THAT MIMIC ADHD. THIS DISORDER IS THE SAME AS A VISUAL TRACKING ISSUE. PAVEVISION.COMHello, first off, thank you for reading.
Just a quick run down on my LONG journey. I have a four year old daughter and from day one, I noticed she was a little more active than the average baby. But, she was always very happy, so, I was too.
She was about one years old when I noticed she would clench her hands and grind her teeth whenever she got excited. This is when it all started...
I had a fear of autism because of her movement. In her lifetime she has seen a ped. neuro. and two developmental peds. On top of that she has also been evaluated by our local school district and a private speech therapist and a private occupational therapist. I just wanted to be sure:)
Everyone who has seen her agrees, she is not on the spectrum. She did not qualify for any services through the school district, she scored at age level and was found to have no developmental delays.
My daughter is hyper, very distractable but very fun loving, affectionate, has a wonderful imagination and has normal eye contact. She is also in preschool and loves the kids and even talks about her "boyfriend" at home. The only signs of autism are her sensory issues and I have been told that sensory issues can happen outside of autism.
There is a family history of ADHD. Two out the three doctors feel she has it. One doctor may diagnose but we have one more appointment before he will make a final dx.
Anyway, my question is, how often does ADHD mix in with SID? Her sensory problems are very obvious but her ADHD is not. From what I understand, ADHD and SID can mimic eachother.
CAPD is also suspected with my daughter. She is not language delayed but does have some issues when it comes to her speech. I was told she cannot be tested for it yet, she is too young. But, a speech therapist may begin therapy for her as if she was already dx.
I feel like my little girl is a mess, it kills me. Please dont get me wrong, I am not dissapointed in her, just sad that she has to go through so much.
Can anyone tell me how common these two disorders are together? Just for my own peice of mind, can anyone tell me if ADHD kids have the movments I described in my daughter? Also, are four year olds typically medicated? This was a suggestion but I dont know if she is too young. Thanks again for your help.
TO YOUNG FOR SPEECH HELP THAT IS A LIE. DANIEL STARTED HIS AT 1 WITH ECI. HE HAS GOTTEN EVER SINCE THIS AGE AND STILL GET'S IT AT 10. WE ARE SEEING A NERO WHO ALREADY TOLD ME OUR SONS CASE IS MORE THAN ADHD.SID OR SPD ALL THE SAME IS COMMON WITH MANY DISODERS.
There is no medical way to differentiatie between Sensory integration, ADHD, auditory processing and visual processing problems. Docs have diagnosed my son with ADHD with sensory integration and possibly auditory processing disorder. I am awaiting the auditory processing test from the school. Before I will start meds, I am going to exhaust my efforts with everything else. He gets occupational therapy twice per week at school and once outside school. I use behavior modification and begin to start on Focus, Omega 3s and some other vitamin supplements. If all fails, I will go back to the Dr. to discuss other options.Our son has ADHD (is 4) and has several of the sensory issues you describe (can spin w/o getting dizzy, sensitive to sounds like public toilets flushing, jumps on the couch "flying" etc.). One of the things my son does is wring his hands together. I think this is just a way for him to work out some of his energy. As long as he is not touching others, it hasn't been a problem at pre-school!
I think it's pretty common for the two (ADHD and SID) to go hand in hand. We also knew at an early age that he was different from his peers -- his reactions were more extreme, etc. We also have a strong history of ADHD in our family -- including his father having it! We've seen big improvements with diet modifications as well as adding in supplements. Welcome to the board, I hope you find the answers you seek!
It is very common for ADHD to be accompanied by Co -morbids, and SID's are one of them.Ot helps alot if it is done properly.When my son was originally tested at 3 years old I was told he meets all criteria for Autism spectrum disorder due to all the sensory issues he had. I took him to NYC to see one of the top neurologists who told me within minutes he NO way had Autism but definatly had ADHD with sensory issues. SO many times the two can be combined. I WOULD ASK A NP THE NEUROLOGIST COULD BE WRONG STILL.Hi and welcome to the board. It sounds to me like you've got enough professional opinions to have a high confidence in the diagnosis. I did the same thing! Misdiagnosis is not uncommon, so it's good to get multiple opinions. :) As for SID, I think your dd's must be subtle since the neuro and OT didn't point it out. I think as our kiddos' nervous system matures, it must take some twists and turns along the way. There will be some quirks, then they will fade away. But you're doing a great job being vigilant. Maybe your dd needs a little more time to grow and then it will be more obvious if she has a disability.
In the meantime, you can involve her in lots of sensory experiences. Swimming, sand tables, play-dough, goo. Check out the book, The Out-of-Sync Child Has Fun for lots more ideas. Have you thought of hippotherapy? (Horseback riding) Wonderful multi-sensory experience!
As for medication, I waited until absolutely necessary--for us 1st grade. I was hoping to give her a little more time to mature, then see what happened in 1st. As it turned out, 1st grade was a nightmare, so maybe we should have started in kindergarten. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say!
Hi and welcome,
My 8 yr. old was 1st dxed with sid at 4 and then with ADHD at 8. As he grew older we realized that many of the things we had chalked up to sid were in fact ADHD. He was always touching and tackling people and we thought that was sensory seeking when in fact it was an impulse control problem and has virtually disappeared with adhd treatment. However, his other tactile issues remain. The two problems can seem very similar though.
I would suggest testing by a neuropyschologist- they are very thorough and will give you a firm dx to start from.
As far as your daughter's speech goes she seems pretty typical. Kids with ADHD tend to talk A LOT. The other things you describe, repeatedly asking the same questions and mixing up words and getting the order of her words confused are common to preschoolers. I've worked in the early childhood feild for years and I would have to say that the best way to help her is to model the type of speech you want to hear. For example, when she says "What that is?" ask her "did you mean what is that?" and then answer her question. Making kids repeat themselves isn't usually helpful as they will eventually stop talking to you cause it's too much work. Repeatedly asking the same questions serve a couple of purposes for young children. It lets them know that you are consistently there for them and that things are not going to change just because it's a different day.
Also, we have a great developmental therapist that does "play therapy" with our son on a regular basis. We've been seeing her since he was 3 with a one year break in there when we thought we had things sorted out. 
how silly of us to think that!
I would also recommend The Out of Sync Child Has Fun- great book. And if you haven't read the first one (The Out of Sync Child) you may want to check that out too.
Hi! New to this message board - tried posting once, sorry if there's a duplicate! My son is 10 and diagnosed with ADHD. I have many questions and feel I have a very short time to find the answers. I've been reading this thread and see sensory issues for the child wringing her hands. My son has always fidgeted with his hands, rubbing his fingers as well as facial movements with his jaw and eyes - which worsened with Adderall, so he's now on Concerta. We've just considered them "tics" or habits. Is this something I should be looking in to?? Thanks.capd can be diagnosed bya audiologist. visual processing issues can be done by a therapeutic eye dr. there they 2 other tests also forgot the names though.asd has many types also. [QUOTE=nelsonk]Hi everyone, thanks for the responses.
I wanted to add that I do have another child. My son is 10 months and I do not see any problems with him. He does have a different father though.
Her sensory profile came out that she is a seeker. She likes to touch (tactile) and she has vestibular problems. She can spin without getting dizzy, infact, she LOVES the office chair. She also jumps a lot, runs and crashes into things. She dresses up like a super hero and dives into the couch over and over - she is flying:) She also has the one in her joints - I cant remember what that one is though - this is why they said she making her movement. Part of our therapy is having her play with vibrating toys to feed her imput so she does not need to seek it out herself.
Her speech issues are hard to explain. She has been tested on her speech development three times. She is testing out at the age appropriate level. She can talk - she actually talks NON-STOP. It can get frusterating at times. But, sometimes she will say things that make no sense. When she gets mad at her brother she will say "I am going to blow fire on you." She cant just say she is mad. It is hard for her to express what is on her mind. She also does not say the word "why" she will just say "because..." or "ummmm" is "what." She asks a lot of the same questions. I have told her daily that I liked to eat ceral when I was little but every morning while she is eating I hear "did you like to eat ceral when you were little?" Her sentence structure is really poor, she will say things like "where mommy at is?" or "what that is?" Its odd - she does not seem connected at times. She also says elevators are allagators and pepperoni is maccaroni. I can go on and on. One speech therapist said she had a pragmatic weakness and her OT said its most likely auditory processing.
Trust me, I wonder ALL the time if I am "one of those mom's." :) But, that hand movement is what really scares me. Its odd and I know that is not "normal." I hate the word by the way.
I dont know. I guess time will tell but I HATE the wait:)
Thanks for listening and thank you so much for the replies!
[/QUOTE] I have a 4year old son who has ADHD and SID. The school that he goes to sent him to get tested. At the time he was on Strattera. He was so hyper he could sit still and do the test properly. They told us he does have ADHD/SID and Autisim Spectrum Disorder (very mild). His doctor has him on Clondine one half of a 0.1 mg pill. His teacher noticed a differance in him in the way he focused. He still has other issues SID. His doctor just prescribed along with Clonidine, Risperdal 0.5mg. I'm afraid to give him this because of the side effects. Is anyone out there experienced in this combo medication? I did tell his doctor what this school found out and he said he does not exhibit the autisim or sid, I think he has SID. Should I find another doctor? I thing he just wants to dope my kid up. The Clonidine is working more then the stimulants and strattera did. HELP>When my dd was in first grade, I picked up the "Out of Sync Child" book, because my son (who was 3 at the time) was always running as fast as he could into people. I had a little experience with SID, and wanted to know more. Was I ever surprised to find more descriptions of my DD than my DS! A lot of her "quirks" were explained by sensory problems, but she didn't really fit the big picture description. I basically put it on the back burner, until things have gotten bad this year - third grade. Then I did more search on ADHD, and found she REALLY fits the inattentive type. I wasn't sure how the two were related. We have an evaluation appointment next week.
Interestingly, I taught my son that instead of running into me full-bore, he should ask for a hug, and I'd hug him really tight to give him that sensory input he craved. It really worked!!! Plus we got to hug more! 