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My situation is virtually identical to cr1234mr's. I had to have 2 planned C sections, so I've never labored. My two sons are exactly 16 mos apart. Both weighed virtually identical (7lb 13 oz and 7 lb 8 oz). I did everything by the book health wise and prenatal care wise.

Son 1 has ADHD. Very fussy baby, screamed at bedtime. Son 2 does not have ADHD. Calm laid back baby who never screamed at bedtime and had great self-soothing skills.

In our case son 1 just had the genetic luck of the draw! He was destined genetically to have ADHD. I truly believe this.

Okiemom

I do not discount the part genetics play AT ALL. I totally agree that there is a genetic component. However, I do think that there are other factors that exaccerbate the degree of the disorder one might have.

Thanks Monkeybutt, you beat me to the punch.

I would add that any "trace amounts" of mercury that they now claim are in shots are 125 times the FDA recommended amount for a 10 lb. baby.

I'd also add that 10 years ago there were 9 recommended shots for babies 0-2 years -- now we are up to 32. Seems a bit excessive. Shots like Hepatitis are not really necessary until teenage years -- do the research, you will be surprised.

Stephanie Cave is another good resource for info on vaccinations. She is an M.D. who has done a lot of research on the effects of metals in our system.

MegMaguire39108.3711574074Yep Yep, what she said.Meg....I do agree with you. Genetics can play a huge part in ADHD, but I agree there are a huge host of external variables that can also affect things....such a oxygen deprivation during birth, other birth traumas, co existing disorders. etc. On top of that, there are even more influences that will affect the outcome of the ADHD child that may or may not be controllable......such as the socio and educational background of the parents, access to healthcare, family and societal biases towards mental disorders, etc.....the list goes on and on. Okiemom

Meg...please forgive me... I understand there are some school of thoughts out there that are against innoculations but I quite honestly don't understand why you would not in this day and time. I also know that in Texas kids must have innoculation records up to date by the time they enter school. You say that you are not "blaming" that you are only minimizing risk factors. To me you are doing quite the opposite. I think I hear or am reading you saying that you feel innoculations cause issues related to AD/HD.

I will say that I agree with you about watching our diets etc... but from what I have read and discussed with a nutritionist you can avoid certain foods that can trigger/aggrevate certain reactions. The foods that we eat however don't cause our children to have AD/HD. AD/HD is a genetic issue. I think that environment and food can work hand in hand with AD/HD but I don't believe that they cause this. There is too much science out there to support the genetic reasoning.

My son and his dad both have AD/HD and we think his dad has other related problems. The more that I study in regards to my sons father's history, the more I am a firm believer in the genetic link. I don't blame my son's dad, I just feel that the human brain, mind is more complicated than any of us truely understand.

"There are MANY factors that may play into neurological disorders and I do not think exploring those is a waste of time at all.
Well said Meg.

Chasesmom, it is not a matter of "placing blame" but rather one of understanding and learning. In a few instances it also may allow for recovery or different treatment. To blindly accept one diagnosis or one reason for a cause is dangerous. Knowledge is power.

4myson there is very strong evidence that immunizations are linked to the increase in neurological disease. Autism being the most prevalent. Preservatives are cited as the culprit. Especially in vaccines prior to the late 90's. They contained THERMISOL which is a derivitive of mercury. Mercury is a poison that causes brain damage. Even though vaccines gave miniscule amounts, they build up over time with each innoculation. Which is why most reactions are not seen until after 2 years of age. The other issue with immunizations is that the combination vaccines, or multiple vaccines given at the same time overload the bodys immune system. This toxicity causes cell damage as well as other problems.

For an eyeopener please visit this site. It gives you the ingredients to the vaccines.

http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

My son was 10 days late so I was induced. I experienced a lengthy delivery, a lot of help from an epidural, and vacuuming. He was sent for observation in the NICU due to a slow start in breathing properly.

Additionally, I was on Paxil during the entire pregnancy (per physician's okay). No smoking or drinking.

According to Parenting the Strong-Willed Child, there is a strong biological predisposition to ADHD, and a possible factor of injury to baby's brain, including pregnancy complications that can result from factors such as mother's smoking or consumption of alcohol and infant receiving insufficient oxygen at time of birth.

I look forward to learning the precise cause(s) someday.squirrelgirl39107.7913194444[QUOTE=chasesmom79]

My feeling is this...what good is placing/finding blame? It is what it is and knowing what 'caused' it if anything will not change it. We cannot go back, and even if some little (or big) thing is later found to be a "cause", it obviously is not the cause for all cases, so where did it get us?

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Actually, for us it means quite a bit. We have a newborn (4 mos.) who we have decided against innoculating at this time. We have all changed our diets and it has greatly benefited our son with ADHD especially. I think finding causes CAN be helpful and CAN teach us things that are valuable. It's not so much about "blame" as it is minimizing risk factors if possible.

All 4 of my children had natural, uncomplicated, unmedicated, relatively short births, were good sized, 3 were breastfed, 1 not, I have never smoked, or drank more than a dozen drinks in my 47 years, none of them while pregnant or nursing a baby. Yet 2 have this disorder and 2 don't.....all raised in the same house, school system, and by the same 2 natural parents in the fresh air of the country. I kind of debunk all of the theories!

It has to be hereditary at least in my case, there is no other cause to be found. I have chosen instead to move on and not look for reason or blame, it would do me nor my children any good to do anything else.....

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I agree with chasemom, it is a brain disorder and is hereditary, blame your relatives!

DD was born after 4 hours of labor,On her due date, 8 lbs even, no issues and we left the hospital within 6 hours of delivery.

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I agree to a point. Yes, I think there is a genetic predisposition, but I do not think it is wise to discount other factors -- whether they be delivery stories, drugs injected to induce, cords wrapped around necks, vaccinations given during childhood, the foods we eat, etc. There are MANY factors that may play into neurological disorders and I do not think exploring those is a waste of time at all.

To answer teh question, my labor was 48 hrs. w/ my ADHD child and 3 of those were pushing. When he did come out he had the cord wrapped around his neck.

I really appreciate the feed back... You all have easied my mind... I need to let it go. ThanksMy son Brandon came 2 weeks early and was 6 pounds 4 ounces at birth. I was in labor for 9 hours and he was delivered using forceps. I smoked until I was 4 1/2 months pregnant and drank the odd beer while pregnant and breastfeeding. He has ADHD.

I agree with chasemom, it is a brain disorder and is hereditary, blame your relatives!

DD was born after 4 hours of labor,On her due date, 8 lbs even, no issues and we left the hospital within 6 hours of delivery.

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monkeybutt... there is just as much out there to dispute your research on immunizations ... I'm an avid reader and am well aware of both sides of the coin.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I will leave it at that.

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I'll just add a couple of things here -- I have a very hard time finding research supporting immunizations that are not funded by those who produce the same immunizations -- seems a conflict of interest to me.

I also personally know a woman who is receiving federal aid because her son was permanently damaged by the chicken pox vaccine. He was happy/healthy until he received that vaccine and now is autistic -- not potty trained until he was 7, etc. It has been proven that it was this vaccine that caused these problems (thus, the federal aid) and he may now have cancer as a result as well.

My point is, to me it's not a question of "belief" -- it's about doing the research and coming up with an interpretation. Granted, yours may be different, but you have to look at the other side of the coin before you formulate an interpretation. Another great site is http://www.vaccines.bizland.com/

I'm kind of in the middle on the vaccination thing. I had all my kids vaccinated before I realized the dangers. But I do refuse the flu shot at work. I don't know what I would do if I had a new baby now. I think there is something to it, because my daughters pediatrician advised spreading her vaccinations out because she was a premie. Now I read that advice in the natural circles for all kids.

I agree I haven't seen the studies supporting vaccines by anyone but those benefitting financially. As far as those promoting the dangers of vaccines - they have nothing to gain, they are just putting it out for information. Hard to know who to believe, but money is a very powerful motivator and it would not be the first time by any means that money is a bigger factor in a company's or government's decisions than safety.

As far as labor length, complications etc. Who knows? My water broke on all three. #1 (with ADD) was born 24 hours later by C-section after failed vacuum extraction. #2 was born Vbac with epidural in 23 hours. I suspect ADHD with him. #3 hung in there a whopping 40 hours after my water broke, (epidural also), was 6 weeks premie, on Oxygen and stayed in the hospital a week. So far, I'd say she's the most normal of the bunch. All three had serious jaundice. All three were breastfed, although the ADD one was breastfed MUCH longer than the others and only had formula the first 2 weeks when she had feeding issues. The others had a mix as they got older.

I don't see a pattern in their births pointing to ADD, but I'll say this - the ADD child had chronic ear infections until a chiropractor rescued us at 18 months. She had been on LOTS of antibiotics. I've read some that that can affect the whole ecological system in the intestines, affecting mineral absorption, etc. Middle guy had some ear infections, a couple antibiotics, and possibly has some ADHD signs. Youngest has not had antibiotics or ear infections yet and is almost 3. Jury is still out on the ADD/ADHD but she's looking good. Oh -another thing I read about ear infections and ADHD is that if the auditory system isn't getting proper feedback, the visual system develops more (it's actually much more complicated than that, but that's the idea). ADHD kids are pretty much exclusively right-brained, visual style learners, rather than left-brained auditory learners. We could all go nuts trying to figure out what makes our kids the way they are. Or us for that matter. There's probably a bit of truth in everything whether we want to believe it or not.

Just to share my son was a week late and a long 19 hours of labor! had a hard time pushing him out! he was 7lbs 15oz. I was young and small. had to have patosin to speed up and regulate contractions. No epidural but got demeral for pain. and he has ADHD. Was breast feed 6mos and then on soy formula. Did not crawl much as a infant and was a very fussy, demanding baby and toddler. Pulled up earlie and walked by 10mos.

dear dad had ADHD as a child. Dose not recall beinhg as Hyper as son. Who I belive had a normal short uncomplicated birth! (Will as mother in law!)

My second was induced with Patoesin and was only 8 hours of labor. 8lbs 15oz and had some pain meds, no epidural. No ADHD/ADD yet! She is 3. Was breast feed till 10 and half mos. Then on whole milk. Crawled on time for 6 mos. walked at 12mos.

my third child was induced with only 6 hours of labor. came out so fast that the doctor barley got thier in time! was turned the wrong way till the last minute and was not in the birth canal long enough to get all the fluids squezed out of his lungs. he had to be suctioned after birth and a few times the first hour. (maybe some oxigen depravation) had no epidural, some crappy drugs (newbane) and he is now 9mos! He is the calmest of the three. the most easy going. Is still breast feed with a bottle a few times a week! Crawled on time. Pulling up on time! Hes the biggest one Yet 25lbs WOW!

Just thought it was really cool to read others stories. More knowladge is power! So DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO SISTER!!!!

Absolutely okiemom, you are so right. Our extended family (Brother in laws, etc.) did not realize that they themselves and their children had the disorder until we had our child diagnosed. It was a domino effect!

monkeybutt... there is just as much out there to dispute your research on immunizations ... I'm an avid reader and am well aware of both sides of the coin.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I will leave it at that.

Definitely socioeconomic factors to consider.I agree that genetics do play a part in ADHD. However I also think all of the preservatives and dyes in our food does also. So does compllications during delivery and birth.My son was born on time , natural birth, 9 pounds even, and 23 inches long ! He did have the cord around his neck, but was freed up by doc and is healthy as can be. He very rarely gets sick with anything not even colds or flus. I did not smoke or drink at all during my pregnancy, I breastfed him to 4 months. A very happy baby and slept for 7 to 8 hours at night even as a newborn. He was rowdy even in utero, kicking and rolling all the time, I too am constantly having to remind myself that IT IS NOT MY FAULT ! (Its dads) lol just kidding ! I guess we are all looking for a link to help us understand something that is so out of our control. Hi, This might sound a bit strange... but I have spoken to a few other parents that their children have ADHD and I have noticed that the lenght of time the delivery was has something to do with the way their childrens personality is like. My daughter was a very long delivery... I went to the hospital on a Tuesday night and she was born Friday morning. She is very high strung and high maintence. My son on the other had he was born 1 hour and 45 minutes from when I hit the doors at the hospital and I wasn't even in labor yet... they were going to induce me... and my son is very laid back and is very easy going. Any thoughts on this??? abbymaker39107.4953819444

Well, I'm going to have to skew the results. I had 2 C-sections. Both were planned, though I suffered through 4 hours (yes, I know...boo hoo...especially for those who delivered naturally....OMG how did you do it??? ) of labour for my first one. She decided to come 3 weeks early. She does not have ADHD.

My second daughter who was content staying put, came out when she was supposed to. So no hard labour on either child yet 2 totally different results!

Both were bottle fed. I don't smoke and rarely drink. Though I think that drinking is a good thing now!!!

OK ladies...I really think everybody needs to stop looking for something to blame, but I am going to blow this one out of the water too.

My oldest daughter was quite good sized for a first baby of a 110 pound 5'2" woman, (8 ponds 15 ounces, 22 inches long) and she was born in 6 and 1/2 hours start to finish...my water broke, contractions started, and she was born 6 and 1/2 hours later..

Chase, my youngest, was born after 6 hours and he was 8 pounds 11 ounces...he got there before the doctor, the nurse had to do the honors he came so fast...

My other two were born in 3 hours (8 pounds 10 ounces) and 8 hours (10 pounds 4 ounces ) all natural births, no epidurals, no pain meds no nothin, just like God intended....unless you count episiotomy, which only affected me, not the baby....

The oldest and the youngest are the ones with the ADHD....

Thanks chasesmom..I had 2 c-sections and believe it or not, I have 2 kids and have NOT experienced labor!! Both had great Apgar scores, etc. and were good sized. One has ADHD, one doesn't (at least so far!)

My ADHD son was born late, a week! He also on the night of his delivery, they ran out of rooms at Brigham & Womens Hospital in Boston. He was born after being on the epideral for back labor for 15 hrs, and had no room for us! Every one showed up that night at Brighams! We delivered after 8 hrs on the epideral and forceps, and episiotomy, at 1 week late a 8.5 lb boy at 21 inches.

I waas on the floor where little girls actually delivered their babies at 12-15 years of age, and brought my husband to tears. He couldn't believe that it did exist! Real sad! Even with The State there also, maybe even making it worse!

Tyler ate, drank, latched, etc. normal! He kicked like heck when in vitro, but no other signs of ADHD. At the age of 2 he started to show the signs and began being labeled, kicked out, etc.!

He is 9 and thankfully doesn't remember those horrible days, he is sensitive and careing. He would be embarrassed and remorseful.

IT IS NOT MY FAULT ! (Its dads)

ROFLMAO charlene that was just too darn funny!!!

Neither of my kids had ear infections. So I can't weigh in on that topic. But my oldest was a soy baby (she only breast fed till 3mos old) and she has serious food allergies, asthma. I have come to the conclusion that Soy is really really bad for us. One of the arguments for soy is that the Japanese have been using it for centuries wtih no problems. The difference is, we over process and eat it in toxic forms. Did you know that giving soy formula to a baby is equivalent to giving that child 5 birth control pills a day of estrogen? (soy is a natural form of estrogen, which is why doctors recommend it to relieve menopausal symptoms) Definitely something to think about.