Do kids w/ADHD go into their own world? | ADHD Information

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[QUOTE=myjeffrey]Yeah, you know a lot of the things my son does wouldn't bother me, but it seems to bother his teachers so because he does them an inappropriate times. Lately, he's been sucking/chewing on his lip so much he's getting canker sore after canker sore. Then, it hurts to eat because his mouth is in so much pain. One of my favorite tics is where he rubs my ears...he'll sit in my lap while I hold him and he'll just rub and rub. It makes him feel better and I don't mind. I try to hold him as much as I can because I know there will be a day he won't want to be in my lap![/QUOTE]

do you think the sucking/chewing could be a sensory "thing"? Has anyone mentioned that to you or do you know about sensory integration?

I was just wondering!

Beth

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No, I'm really new to all this. What is the sensory thing all about?

do you think the sucking/chewing could be a sensory "thing"? Has anyone mentioned that to you or do you know about sensory integration?

I was just wondering!

Beth

[QUOTE=Jo-D]tyler recently started a new thing, because we did not have enough going on already. he is constantly picking or i guess rubbing in his ears he seems to have stopped pulling his eyelashes out so i guess thats a good trade off, at least he doesn't look so odd now that his eyelashes have grown back.[/QUOTE]

Again, could this be a sensory thing, or could it be obsesive/compulsive "thing".

reading about the pulling out of the eyelashes, I have heard of that, poor thing

What does your doctor say about that?

Yeah, you know a lot of the things my son does wouldn't bother me, but it seems to bother his teachers so because he does them an inappropriate times. Lately, he's been sucking/chewing on his lip so much he's getting canker sore after canker sore. Then, it hurts to eat because his mouth is in so much pain. One of my favorite tics is where he rubs my ears...he'll sit in my lap while I hold him and he'll just rub and rub. It makes him feel better and I don't mind. I try to hold him as much as I can because I know there will be a day he won't want to be in my lap!My ds says he can answer this question--YES! He says when he's off his meds it's like he's in his own world.

So glad you could clear that up, Patrick!
tyler recently started a new thing, because we did not have enough going on already. he is constantly picking or i guess rubbing in his ears he seems to have stopped pulling his eyelashes out so i guess thats a good trade off, at least he doesn't look so odd now that his eyelashes have grown back.

Hi myjeffrey!

I read your story about your son. Why don't you make an appointment with pediatric neurologist to have your son evaluated? Your son may qualify for integrated preschool in your town. Do you have a program called Early Intervention? That program beings up to age 3, but they may be able to direct you as to "who to call now" Your pediatrician should have some information as well.

Your son first needs to be evaluated and diagnosed. Then you will know exactly what is going on. At integrated preschool, they canNOT kick your son out. They also may even provide services, such as Occupational therapy, if your son qualifies.

You should also call your local public school and ask for special education department. They may also be able to assist you for kindergarten.

I would think that a structured catholic school would be too much for him to handle. From your posts, it sounds like he can't control what he is doing.

Thanks BethAnn. We do have his 5 year old well child visit w/his pediatrician scheduled next week, so I'll ask about neurology. They psychologist we went to was referred by her. He definitely does seem to have a total lack of self control. And, he realizes it...he tells me he's so mad at himself when he gets into trouble. Then, with this spazzing out stuff, he's so "unaware" its kind of eery. Reminded me of Meredith's Mom on Grey's Anatomy when she came out of her alzheimer's for a day...times when he's lucid and times when he's just not there.

Never heard of Early Intervention, but it might be kind of like Wonder Years we have here. I did have him evaluated by our Parents As Teachers and did behavior questionnaire. She said I could take that to special ed to see if they can help him, but problem is I don't live in a Title I district. So, he can't get Wonder Years no matter what. Also, our psychologist basically told us not to go to special ed yet because she didn't want the schools to label him yet....she's still not convinced he's ADHD or ODD or anything yet. Since we've had a difficult year with changes, she wants to wait it out and see if he improves rather than risk he be labeled to early. Ugh!!

Another couple of things he does which I wonder are related. Ever since I can remember he's had an ear fetish. When we'd hold him, he rubs our ears. He's done this with caregivers and anyone he feels close to. Its calming for him to rub our ears. I don't think much of it anymore, but others think its strange when they don't know him well. Also, he never took a pacifier as a baby, but he almost seems to have wanted it. He sucks on the inside of his lip often, as a calming thing too. When you look at him, its like he's sucking on a pacifier, but he's using his lip instead.

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myjeffrey,

My son is 9, going on 10, this year. He is speech delayed and has sensory issues. He receives speech therapy and OT at our public school. He was in early intervention and has been receiving these services since was 2. He was diagnosed adhd, I knew it when he was around 18 months things changed, but did not medicate until he was 6.

The other thing I wanted to mention is that my son was never labeled for adhd at school. He is VERY smart and does not have any learning disabilities, just the typical adhd "stuff" like focusing, attention, et. The only time he was labeled was when I let him go to school for kindergarten and first grade until we started medication. The kids and staff labeled him, along with parents. That is my biggest regret waiting to medicate because I was scared, but HE suffered not me.

Please ask any questions, we have all been "somewhere" similar to you!

I also found this website in my favorites that might help you

http://www.yellowpagesforkids.com/yp.user.guide.htm

If I am not copy/pasting correctly, just type it in. It may help you.

there is also the board in regards to adhd and schools. You may want to read posts just for knowledge and even post!

regards,

Beth

Thanks BethAnn. I will check out the link and that board as well. I'm just at the beginning of all this, and it just makes me so sad. I've cried many a tear already and I know its just barely starting. Preschool teachers, sunday school teachers, and our parents as teachers rep have all hinted they think he's on his way to adhd. I'm hoping to not have to medicate. But, I do want him to succeed and have friends. It just breaks my hearth thinking about all he might go through if we can't get this straightened out. He's really such a sweet loving boy. I don't want anyone wiping that smile off his face. I'll see what our pediatrician says next week and may end up going to special ed to see what they can do. Our parents as teachers rep will be out at my house tomorrow on the baby, but I've got more questions on him! ha ha. He sounds like our 3 year old. He does the same thing with the noises.
Only his sounds like he his speaking in tounges. He also just lays on the
ground when things get to be too much for him. He is in speech right
now, and we are meeting with the school psychologist on Friday. Good
luck to you. I have cried the same tears because I see how the teachers
have looked at and reacted to him in swimming lessons and gymnastics.
It's so hard. From my experience, making noises, running, pretending to be an animal, etc, are typical of a 5 yo ADHD child. I think my son stopped that around 6.5 yo. Anyway, that stuff goes away or fades at some point, and then is replaced with something else. I'm always addressing one behavior or another, generally driven by what the teacher has her eye on. It's the gift that keeps giving.

Thanks Notellin. I had a feeling. I have a daughter who's almost 7 that exhibited none of these things, but since he's a boy, I wondered if it was typical boy behavior or more like adhd since he's had such problems in preschool. Just a few weeks ago he was growling like a lion during preschool recess at another child. I guess he was throwing sticks too. The teacher came up behind him and tried to get him to quit. When he refused, she picked him up only to have him throw a kicking screaming tantrum...kicking her in the process. Needless to say, we got a call to come get him that day. This teacher really loves him and tears came to her eyes when we had 2 really good weeks with O's (outstandings) for behavior. But last week he regressed again. So, I just don't know. I feel like I"m walking on egg shells everyday not knowing what is going to happen next.

I think he might have ODD too as he likes to be defiant, talk back, says he doesn't like you anymore if he doesn't get his way, always blames others for his mistakes, takes pleasure in annoying people.

He never used to have problems sleeping until this fall. And, he likes to sneak out of his room and go into his sister's room and wake her up. One night he did that 3 times...needless to say Daddy spanked him. We try not to spank, but she woke up crying from being disturbed, and he kept doing it! Now that we're slowing up on the naps and giving him magnesium at night, that hasn't happened in a few weeks. But, I guess I'm just beginning this journey...and I'm glad I found this message board for support.

I have friends who wonder why we don't go out often to restaurants and try to give us all sorts of advice, like "why can't you get him under control?" He can't sit down during a meal...stands on his chair, climbs under the table...coloring books don't work. He gets bored of that real quick!!! Its like they are questioning our parenting abilities when I know we are some of the strictest parents going! They just don't understand. I'm tired of being judged by friends and people I know. Those same people have made comments about a co-worker who's grandson has ADHD and that they are taking the easy way out w/meds. Of course, they have no clue because they have these mild mannered kids that can do no wrong. They actually had the gall to tell me "perhaps you just haven't found the right consequence yet."

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Yeah, we talked about the ODD thing with the psychologist. I read all the criteria and boy they hit dead on. The ADHD not so yet because he's not old enough for some of the criteria they test and so we can't answer those questions yet. But, the psych said she wouldn't diagnose with either yet...just adjustement disorder for now since we had lots of changes this year. New house, new school, new baby. Even yesterday he took such pleasure screaming at the top of his lungs to disturb his sister while she was watching her favorite show. Obviously he was doing it for attention, but he enjoys it soo much which is one of the ODD characteristics and then lays blame for his behavior on others.

Yes, we've tried all kinds of praise. Problems are not as severe right now as they have been. He was in a mode of refusing to do any of the preschool work. Now, he does it (mostly) and is proud when we tape it to the refrigerator each night. We put up his work each day and start anew each week. He gets "time-ins" for good behavior and lots of praise for every good thing he does...lots of incentives (chart too) Sometimes I feel like we've tried every method known to man. Methods that would easily work with our daughter. But, he gets bored of each method soon...at first they are fun, but we have to keep changing/modifying to keep him interested.

Yeah, with restaurants...our town is one of the most busy restaurant towns in America....ranks high on the list of people who eat out. Busy even on weeknights. We try to go to places without a wait or very little wait. It gets harder when you have 3 kids and one of them is a 4 month old, so frankly we just don't go that often.

Poor boy, he's home sick today with 102 fever. Yucky cold stuff going around.

My son did the lion thing at lunch until maybe 75% through 1st grade --running around roaring at the top of this lungs, chasing other children. Then one day he said that he stopped because it was actually annoying other kids. As soon as I saw that he could see his behavior in this way I started taking a more cognitive approach in general.

ODD? Hmmm... that seems kind of extreme. His is so young. Have you tried Omega-3, which helps the mood? It also helps with sleep. Have you tried spending 1-1 time with him, praising him, tell him you are doing this or that to make him happy, etc?

As far as the restaurant thing, you could take him to a kid-friendly place, show him the brochure of the desserts that they keep on the table, and tell him that if he behaves he gets to eat it. Leave the picture in front of him. Then rate him during the meal -- 1, 2, 3. With 1 being the best, 2 ok, and 3 losing the dessert (or something like that). Maybe he can monitor himself if you rate him on your fingers throughout the meal.

Read my story at end of the 'tell your story" thread". My DS5 not yet diagnosed with anything. One of his big problems is he seems to go into his own world sometimes and its very difficult to get him out of it. It generally happens in public like he's on sensory overload. We tried him in soccer last summer and it was too many people for him. He'd spazz out as I call it. Jump, run, yell, make funny noises...anything but focus on what was being taught. And, he is excellent physically at kicking the ball. He could be so good at most sports but he just doesn't take instruction well.

He was "spazzing" out as I call yesterday after sunday school too. His ss teacher had to take him out of the classroom to get him to calm down and focus. Its like he's possessed and he can't stop making either scary growl noises or just funny silly noises. But, they did have sugar (valentine's day party) and I wonder if he was reacting to that. Sometimes when he's like this, he'll even lay around on the floor and crawl around like a bear crawl...all in public places. Teachers can't get him to stop this either. Is this a typical behavior for ADHD kids?

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Again, could this be a sensory thing, or could it be obsesive/compulsive "thing".

reading about the pulling out of the eyelashes, I have heard of that, poor thing

What does your doctor say about that?

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Well our pedi doesn't know what to say anymore. I seem more knowledgable about some of this stuff than he does. We are going to see a psych. I do think there is a little OCD or something going on with his ADHD. I just want to make sure and get him whatever he needs. I just look at him and he is soo skinny and even with meds he vibrates all the time, but I refuse to up them anymore because of his weight. I don't know, today, yesterday and day before have been extremely emotional for me, not sure why, sure am crying a lot, mostly because we can't seem to get him straightened out and I feel bad for him. He is so sweet and loving and I worry what if we can't get it right for him and he either continues to stay in trouble or winds up so medicated that he has no personality. What is going to happen to my sweet little guy, is he always going to be lost in the shuffle. Am I always going to feel this guilty

Hey there Jo-D,

I am so sorry you have been emotional. I think a lot of us can say that we too have felt that way when it comes to our children and ADHD.

The words you said in regards to the guilts you feel about the medication and your son being so sweet, always in trouble, etc. I could have said.

I would call you prescribing doctor, discuss in length everything you are feeling. Maybe the medication is not for him and a change is necessary. I might even consider a re-evaluation for a diagnosis. I think there is more going on, or it is a reaction to the medication, I would definetely check into it.

If your doctor has nothing more to say about the eyelash thing, you should definetly consult ANOTHER doctor. You being more knowledgable is not right, you need guidance for your son's sake.

I have my son at a psychopharmacologist. He specializes in these types of medications and is a psychiatrist who works at a inpatient hospital for all type of psychiatric disorders. He is great with children, completely understands these types of "things", including I bet your son's eyelash situation.

I do have to pay him out of pocket, but it is worth every nickel. I am also checking into whether it is a tax write off, I saw somthing and dowloaded it on Wrights Law.

I also feel very comfortable with the meds. my son takes. He was the doctor to prescribe the guanfacine that really has made a difference in his day.

Regards!

Beth

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do you think the sucking/chewing could be a sensory "thing"? Has anyone mentioned that to you or do you know about sensory integration?

I was just wondering!

Beth

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No, I'm really new to all this. What is the sensory thing all about?[/QUOTE]

Sensory is when children's senses get in the way of there day. My son has a self regulation problem, but adhd medication has helped tremendously in that area as well as in his adhd. He also has a speech delay, which is due to the sensation of the tongue and teeth and opening his mouth. He has an OT in school who works with him, even helps him with writing, he pushes down too hard. He loves deep pressure, squeezes, bear hugs, where as before he didn't like being hugged. He also never really felt pain when he was young. Now sometimes "nothing" hurts him. He also never liked to have his hair washed.

There are all different forms of it - even the textured foods we eat, clothing we wear, etc. There are so many phases of it, it is pretty intense. And is common in adhd'ers since so few have only the ADHD disability, there are usually more.

That is why I asked.

UPDATE---well...I forgot my whole story isn't here. I put it on the ADHD story thread, so I'll copy and post it after this update...

Ok, here is the update. We had a Catholic School Dinner/Dance Fundraiser sat night. For next year, they've decided to do 1 class full day kindergarten (26 kids & teacher/aide) and 1 class half day kindergarten (16 kids teacher only). I was thinking that maybe my son would do well in the half day. Other parents we're friends with really want us to bring Jeffrey back, but I'm afraid we'll have disastrous results again. I don't know if I can go through that again. Our older daughter goes there (now in 1st grade) and she's doing great...everyone LOVES HER TO DEATH!!! Even her kindergarten teacher...but... when I found out her k teacher was going to do the half day, I mentioned that we might try Jeffrey in her class and got a blank stare. I distinctly got the impression she didn't want him in her class. She is older and was going to retire, but changed her mind when they offered her the half day. She was great with our daughter but I'm starting to wonder if she could handle our son.

Our Parents As Teachers Rep suggested we do early kindergarten screening with behavior questionnaire, which we did. Then, they suggested we send/release that info to early childhood special ed (ECSE) so they could run some tests and see what benefits he might get. Well, he tested really really well (of course...that was one on one...he didn't test very well at his pre-school in a group setting) ECSE said they wouldn't accept him yet, and that maybe when he gets older if these problems continue, a 504 plan might help. She asked which elementary school district we lived in and then said "oh" with a big sigh....far too many kids go there. At least 5-6 kindergarten classes with 20-30 kids per class (I think aide comes in around 22) Although she too worried about his ability to succeed there, she felt nothing they could do for now. She also hinted that we don't really want a diagnosis yet or he'll be labeled/stigmatized. She said to talk w/the school counselor and teacher before school starts to keep an eye on it.

Gosh...I'm not sure what to feel or do for next year. Catholic School...where it is a small environment and where he could do half day for now (then I could decide next year whether he's ready for 1st grade or full day kindergarten)....or public school. Sometimes I really do feel like the Catholic School doesn't want him back (I'll probably talk to the principal to be sure) But I'm worried that public school will do him no better with such a big environment. He definitely seems to really act up in big groups. Its like he flips out and goes into his own world. Making funny noises, jumping around...very difficult to get through to him. Ugh...any advice out there?

I've been reading about this Focus/Brightspark...think it would help? He's on the omegas, concentrate, calcium in the morning, and magnesium at night, but still exhibits defiance, less frequent tantrums, says even preschool is too hard (yet he scored like a 5-6 year old in many categories), sometimes hits his friends (impulsive when he wants something), doesn't follow directions very well (almost always have to count to 3 with the promise of a consequence at the end if he refuses).

I'm just not sure what to do from here. Any suggestions?

Ok, here is a cut and paste of my story from that thread:

Hi, I'm new to these boards. This is my son's story. I'll try to be brief. Sorry, probably won't be, knowing me.

He will turn 5 at the end of this month. He has always been a handful..full of energy but in a good way. Always a smile. Always excited...soo excited he'd clench up his fists and shake with glee over things like seeing animals at the zoo or doing something fun. But you had to keep an eye on him as he was very impulsive and definitely was a risk for hurting himself (like running into a street chasing a ball)

He got kicked out of his first daycare when he was 3 1/2. He was in a private home before that. He was at the daycare 11 months. He had just moved up to a new class and the teacher didn't like him. (Teachers that have since left and loved him told me his new teacher lobbied to get him out) But, the straw that broke the camel's back was he bit another child. It had happened sporadically since he had been there (he had never bitten at any previous or subsequent provider), but he did at this place about 4-5 times in that 11 months. He also did occasionally have problems following directions, as the owner/director would tell us that she wondered about him as he "couldn't" make eye contact when she'd talk to him about his behavior. His 2nd daycare he was there for about a year, until this past fall. We never got complaints about him, so we thought he was doing fine. But, now looking back, I think they just needed the $, so didn't complain. He didn't bite anyone there, but...this is what happened.

My older daughter was going to a private Catholic School. We decided to move him over there last fall 06 as they had a 4 year old preschool to get the kids ready for kindergarten. He always kept saying he wanted to go to big sister's school, so we thought, why not? That would help reserve his spot for next year. Well, he immediately started hitting kids and being defiant. He started throwing all kinds of temper tantrums. The Catholic School pre-school teacher didn't like him and had nothing positive to ever say about him. She always complained and started calling us to come get him every day. When we'd tell her he hadn't acted like this before, she acted as if we were lying. She'd say he was the only kid acting like this, disrupting her class, and hitting others. We hadn't seen this kind of behavior out of him before. We called the old daycare and they swore he didn't do that there either. Needless to say that only lasted a month. We moved him back to the old daycare thinking it was an adjustment thing. We had just moved to a new house & I was pregnant (had the baby in October)...WOW lots of stuff for the little guy to have to deal with all this change.

By December his behavior was just out of control. When he went back to his previous daycare, he moved up to a new class and a new teacher started with the school. She was horrible. She didn't have manners herself. She talked like (pardon my french...but trailer trash)(figuratively speaking, of course...i don't think people who live in trailers are trashy). We pride ourselves on manners, and he'd come home saying some of the most inappropriate things. I felt like I was having to teach her how to speak appropriately if she wanted the kids in her class to mind. It was mostly boys. The boys would wrestle, fight, not participate in circle time/preschool activities. And, the teacher was fine with it. She said she couldn't make them do anything. Her class was OUT OF CONTROL. She'd call in sick a lot too, and then quit 2 months after starting. For the next month, he had a different teacher every day. Total inconsistency. We pulled him out right before christmas.

My husband has now quit his job to be a stay home dad. He takes care of the baby. We have our son in another church preschool, mornings only. That way Dad can have more time with him and help get him back on track behaviorally, hopefully. He is doing much better, but still gets into trouble for not following directions and/or hitting, kicking, pushing, when in lines. He's quick to say he's sorry. He feels bad about it, and says he's mad at himself for getting into trouble. At other times, he seems to take such pleasure in "being bad" as he puts it. But, he has improved greatly since starting at this church pre-school at the beginning of the year. He has a real teacher who leads up the class and she is trying to get him ready for kindergarten next year. He is behind on what the rest of the class can do, so we aren't sure yet if we should hold him back or not. She really seems to care about his progress. And, I'm still torn about whether or not he'll ever be accepted at my daughter's Catholic School (which we built our house near by the way so the kids would be close to school!!!).

We did see a psychologist for a few visits. She diagnosed adjustment disorder because of all the changes in our lives. I'm not necessarily searching for a diagnosis...I kind of don't like the idea of him being labeled if he is diagnosed with ADD/ADHD or ODD. But, the visits have stopped because she coded them as family therapy instead of individual therapy and our insurance denied coverage...only individual therapy is covered. She didn't really help much anyway as I've read lots of stuff on the internet and books...she even said we already do 95% of what her PCIT (parent child interactive therapy) classes teach!

I also went to a naturopathic dr...he seemed like a quack who just wanted me to buy his products. I mentioned some of the high EPA/DHA stuff I found on this board, and he said his products are the right ratio...wrong!!! His Metagenics stuff was DHA only!!!...And /bottle. He also conned me into buying this bottle of Ultracare for Kids...which my son won't drink. Its basically a drink of vitamins...we buy natural vitamins at the health food store anyway, so I'm not sure what this was supposed to help. Not that I don't think natural herbs/remedies aren't the way to go...I just think we got the wrong dr. because I feel like we have found some moderate success with the things I've read in books and on these boards.

Right now, we are giving our son...concentrate, natural learning factors, magnesium at night (he started having sleeping problems this fall), EFA jr., calcium supplements, multi-vitamin and the DHA softgels the ND gave us. All of this has seemed to help. He had a great week last week. This week not so good, though. He's hit/pushed on 3 different days. Might not be right ratio yet...just got our Omega3joy in the mail and will start him on that asap. He's also got a cold and is home sick today, so that might be why he was acting up. We are trying to eliminate as many dyes, artificial ingredients as possible, but its difficult when he eats some meals at his preschool...and snacks, etc...

Anway, he's not technically diagnosed with anything yet. Both my brothers were very hyper boys (not diagnosed either). My Jeffrey is generally a very sweet, loving child. Sometimes he can be so adorable and cuddly. Other times he's a terror and out of control. I just know I love him with all my heart, which breaks every time he gets into trouble. I so worry that he's going to have problems making friends if he can't get along. I'm trying to get him on a good combo of natural things in the hopes that he won't have to take meds some day. The Catholic School teacher was already half way suggesting he was on that track. We just try to take it one day at a time for now. Any suggestions from you all would be great!

p.s. He also has/had asthma. His pediatrician had him on daily pulmicort for almost 2 years. Albuterol on emergencies. He was able to stop taking them last june with only 1 flare up last fall. We're hoping this cold he has now won't develop into the wheezing where he needs those treatments again. I know these meds can make a child hyper as well. He's always had trouble sitting still, and I'm afraid he won't make it through a whole day of kindergarten this fall. I may be searching for a place that has half day kindergarten.

I think it is always wise to go with the "parent intuition". Good luck

Thanks Jo-D. I tell you what I was thinking. I was thinking of a 1/2 day kindergarten this year. And hold off deciding for another year. If we didn't feel he was ready for 1st grade next year, we'd then do full day kindergarten at that point.

He's really doing pretty well in his 1/2 day preschool right now, but his teacher (who is a real certified teacher) just loves him. Also, smaller class ratio...14 kids teacher/aide so 1 to 7 ratio. He's only been going there since the first of the year, but we've seen changes in him for the better since getting in her class. She really wants him to succeed. He even did better in Sunday School at Catholic Church and SS teacher said she could tell someone was working with him. We complimented his preschool teacher and tears came to her eyes. She really does want to see him succeed.

We have several churches around here that do kindergarten (not just the Catholic one he started preschool at last year). His preschool right now is the united methodist one and he's doing great there. I just wish they had a kindergarten so he could stay there. But, we have several highly recommended baptist churches with kindergartens, so I was thinking to do that next year, and if he needed kindergarten again, he wouldn't feel so bad because it would then be either at public school or catholic school (if we dare) and he wouldn't feel left behind, because he went somewhere else for the 1/2 day first. So, he wouldn't be as aware of friends moving on without him.

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Not a lot to add except one thing learned firsthand. If you do not feel he is ready for kindergarten, if you or any teacher who has him now has any doubts, hold him back. Of course this is only my opinion, but if I could redo things I would have held Ty back. He just was not ready maturity wise, he had the smarts, but just could not control his impulses at all. It made for a bad year, the teacher was great but she could only do so much. Then when he went to 1st grade it was pure hell. By this time he was on medication but the teacher was the spawn of satan (lol) and really only liked quiet little girls that colored and did not disrupt at all. (This was sooooo not my son) I don't know, maybe things would have still been the same, but in kindergarten the maturity was not even close to being there and by first grade he had the maturity of a kindergartener. Good luck

And remember this is only my opinion, you have to do what is right for you.

ahhh add the life we have all been given.

what a wonderful thing for us to share with our kids.

Its like he's possessed and he can't stop making either scary growl noises or just funny silly noises.

Anyway, that stuff goes away or fades at some point, and then is replaced with something else. I'm always addressing one behavior or another, generally driven by what the teacher has her eye on. It's the gift that keeps giving.

I love both of these my son 8 yo is extremely proud of his noise making ability and loves to give everyone the pleasure of hearing him. Some of his sounds are actually really cool. He can sound just like the raptors on jurassic park. One day I asked him just in general what he wants to be when he grows up. And he starts telling me about his special gift of copying noises. When I said that sometimes those noises aren't appropriate he replied that was his talent and did not want anyone to take it away from him. He actually got quite upset at the idea that I did not like the noises and it really hurt him. I did tell him I was very proud of his noise making ability but just that he needed to do them in the appropriate settings. So unfortunatley he has not out grown this. But for extra blessings on our part (ex: the gift that keep giving) he has added to his list of noises and now has a buddy who also specializes in noise making. BTW just to let you know I have an extremely sarcastic look on my face now as I am typing this. I just keep telling myself there is life after ADHD, but that life probably won't happen until I hit my dementia years.