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An "annoying" 7 year old? Sounds normal 

Anyway, I wouldn't jump on the ADHD diagnosis if he's been tested and the doc is saying "No".

Study the spectrum of "normal" 7 year old behaviour. You may find that your son fits right in there at the 'more annoying habits' end of it. Then see if you can find some methodolgy with this child that will work on diminishing annoying behaviours and increasing the behaviour you want to see.

Contrary to popular opinion, in longterm studies at CAMH and other research institutions, it was discovered that behavioural modification does not work long term since "extinguishment" can offer occur. [this means that if you reward a behaviour 100 times then forget once--the positive behaviour will NEVER be repeated. Inconsistent reward systems [praise one time, treat one time, mention it one time etc.] are actually more effective for some bizarre reason.] It may not make sense but then people aren't very logical either


Adhd is what is considered a spectrum disorder. It is diagnosed by comparing the child's symptoms (behaviors) against other children his age. If the child is roughly in the top 7th percentile then the diagnosis can be made. Below that the symptoms may give a good bit of trouble but not eough to make criteria for the diagnosis. There is a handy diagnosis available for this situation and may fit your child. From the DSM (diagnostic manual):

Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder NOS 314.9

"This category is for disorders with prominent symptoms of inattention or hyperactivity-compulsivity that do not meet criteria for Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder."

So is is not a case of "have it" as it is not really a disease but a disorder. Mostly it is due to the genetic makeup of the child  but can occur with some other pre and post natal causes. For the most part, there is nothing broken or nothing wrong with these kids. This is usually seen as a developmental disorder. Yours sounds like a case of heredity as your older son is adhd.


The best thing you can do is to become educated on the disorder. Here are some sites that follow the scientific research. Russel Barkley is currently considered the top person in the field. Chadd a support site of ADHD. Very good.

Basically, if you know what the disorder is and have a good grip on the dynamics then the management is pretty much a logical extension.

Vickie gives very good advice. Behavior management is specifically very productive in working with adhd kids. There are a number of methods available. Might be worth checking out.

Good luck. Raising an adhd kid is many things but never dull.

Dizfriz

 

Good luck

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MetisRebel

Sounds interesting, do you have an accessible cite on this?

What we do know that if you take away the behavior modification methods used for adhd kids the go back to ground zero. There is apparently little carry over. One they are reestablished then they become effective again. A good metaphor is diabetes. You can control the disease with medication, diet, and exercise. "OK, it is fixed" Quit doing these and you are back to where you were when you started. Like diabetes adhd is a chronic condition and the treatment must be maintained for it to be effective.

Cleo (my grandmother's name...like it)
There are are a number of things you and do to help but I am going to focus on one. I call it acknowledgments. It is not praise, it is simply acknowledging good decisions. "You did that the first time I told you.", "You started to get mad but you controlled it--good job". Think of these as attaboys, done goods, verbal and visual thumbs up. They do not have to be a big deal, in fact I would suggest making them a matter of fact response to good decisions. These kids really do not have a good feel for what good decisions are. Our job is to let them know and the best time is when they make these good decisions point of performance. You can tell a kid what to do and it has little impact. Show him and it can change behaviors a lot. Do this ..50 to 100 times a day,like coins falling from a slot machine, you will be surprised at the effect.  Another benefit is that you are laying a base of approval and conveying to the kid the idea that "he" is ok. His decisions are another matter.  These kids are always in trouble and don't know why. As one person said to me "People were always mad at me I did not have a clue as why." Show them you approve of "them" but not their behavior decisions.  This lack of connect between behavior and consequence is an effect of the disorder. It is a prime area to work.

To say raising adhd kids is a challenge is a huge understatement. It is worth it when they are grown and are happy, healthy, productive adults...usually still adhd but doing well.

Dizfriz

Hi everyone.

My older son has ADHD and has responded well to
medication.

Recently, we took my younger 7 year old son for
testing. He has always had a lot of trouble
controlling his emotions and I began to suspect he
had ADHD as well.

The testing indicated that he is hyperactive and
impulsive, but that it is not so severe to lead to the
diagnosis of ADHD at this time. Although he has a
problem, it is not as severe as his brother's. We are
supposed to take a wait and see approach.

Does this make sense? I thought that a child either
had ADHD or didn't have it. I didn't realize that some
kids may be in a grey area.

My problem is ... what to I do now? There is no need
to medicate him at this time, so what do I do? His
main problems are that he is overly silly and
annoying at times, and prone to meltdowns. We
have used behavioural modification techniques, and
they have worked up to a point, but a lot of his
behaviour isn't really bad - it's just annoying.

Any advice?

Oh - he also tested as gifted - is this relevant?Set up a positive reinforcement behavior plan like Ograms marble system (top thread of this forum) and provide extra coaching on the proper way to behave. ADHD is thought to be a spectrum from mild to severe and early on, kids can get by in school. They have more problems towards the 3rd and 4th grade when they are expected to sit and listen for longer periods.Thanks to everyone for the advice. I will certainly do
my best to use your suggestions.