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[QUOTE=BETHANN]What you are posting is not helping these families. It may be your personal opinion, but you are hurting children.
You don't have your facts correct about medication either. You certainly can't be a doctor.
There is a place on these boards for members to discuss alternative methods besides medication.
I suggest you hang out there. You are NOT saving children. You are possibly HURTING children with your misleading information.
[/QUOTE]Hello Bethann, May I know why do you think I have misleading information? And how come I am hurting children? Please?
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Go away - you are not worth my time! I don't know who you "really are" or "really want". I don't want you misleading innocent families who care about their children. You are NOT helping.
Go hang out on the alternative board - where they are looking for alternatives methods.
What you are posting is not helping these families. It may be your personal opinion, but you are hurting children.
You don't have your facts correct about medication either. You certainly can't be a doctor.
There is a place on these boards for members to discuss alternative methods besides medication.
I suggest you hang out there. You are NOT saving children. You are possibly HURTING children with your misleading information. 
All the spanking and shouting and wanting to kick her out of the house will change her attitude and will affect her future. Can also cause poor self esteem, and the feeling that nobody loves her. So please stop it all and love your child, knowing that she is having problems and all the problems with the behavior are due to that. You are already putting her on strong medication, I don’t think that medication is the issue and I strongly believe you must move on to natural medication, since I know how badly these medications can affect children and their future. I sent you a private message with a link to an article, which will help you.
I will try, if I can give you further instructions on behavior modification. But first and foremost, make sure you are a loving and caring mom to your girl. If you do that, I am sure most of the problems with your family will be solved. Then you can replace the strong medications with safe and effective natural medications. I have some article links attached in my signature, if you want to read more about natural approach and how it can save your child.
I am new to the boards. I am going crazy. My daughter just turned 8. She was diagnosed with ADHD when she turned 6. We have been on concerta, focalin, vivanese, and now we are on adderol XR. My curretn husband and I have been married for 4 years. He has a daughter that is 7 weeks younger than my daughter. My daughter was held back last year for maturity issues/ ADHD. They say she does ok at school but I dont know if I believe them because at home it is another story. She still has accidents in her pants from time to time- this includes bowels. Her explanation is that she did not want to go. worse than that she acts like she does not care that she has poo poo in her pants, one time we found out that they were in her pants for over 3 hours!. Also she does not listen and pay attention to anyone, she is constantly in trouble. We have done spanking, taking away toys/tv, reward systems. My husband does not really believe that she has ADHD but knows that something is wrong with her. She constantly does bold face lies everyday. We are at our wits end. My husband wants to kick her out of our house and send her somewhere maybe her dad's house, but that does not work- he lets her do whatever she wants, stay up late as she want and does not care about her education or her future. I do not want to lose my family. any help would be appreciated. please help me keep my family together. we are going back to the doctor the first of march- do we need to change medicines again? also we have terrible handwriting and she is about to fail handwriting!we practice over and over again every night but it does not do any help.
First of all, hang in there! It will get better! What type of doctor does she see? Is it just a pediatrician? If it is I'd switch to a specialist right away! Are you confident with her diagnosis or do you think there is something else going on along with the ADHD? If she has other untreated issues you may need to control them first. For instance, if she also has bi-polar then you need to treat that first then treat the ADHD or it won't work!
If ADHD is her only diagnosis then your meds are NOT working! (That's why I asked if she's seeing a specialist) And if the meds aren't working then it will be very difficult (if not impossible) for her to control her behavior. Hopefully your doc will address this med issue at your next appointment. The meds may not need to be changed altogether. Maybe the the dose just needs to be changed or the timing of the dose...a good doctor should be able to guide you through this. I wish you the best and keep us posted! 
AND I don't believe that you want to help anyone. You do not come here with clean hands, you are NOT truthful.
First of all, that's your belief. I know I didn't say even one lie or made one statement that's untruthful.
Second and final -
I am sorry Bethann, I see that you are getting very irritated by my presence here and me voicing natural medicines. I did not want to get in to all those useless talk, it's you that started it anyway.
Pardon me if I said anything, that hurt you. I am leaving this forum. Don't want to make anybody tensed. Stay happy and wish you a great day...
You are a complete fraud. Now you are beginning to show your true colors even more.
Something tells me that this is just a game to you and that you are having some sort of distorted fun.
I chose not to act like YOU and throw no rude comments back.
GO AWAY DR. TROLL!!!
A REAL doctor wouldn't run away, nor would they even act like you.
You are pathetic.
I do feel bad, however. You are going to run away from here, and bother a innocent, not expecting, even trusting person, who could really use some help, assistance, understanding, compassion.
I really hope you honor your decision to leave - you are not helping anyone here.
If I am complete fraud, then I wouldn't have responded with that mannerism to such posts.
It's such a pity to respond like that when I felt sorry that I my post made you frustrated... Hey... I am going, no need to throw stones...
Keep your cool. Life is too short to bark at everything...
You really are pathetic, you don't even remember what you said! complete fraud.
What "holistic" meds are you on????!!!
A REAL doctor wouldn't run away, nor would they even act like you.
You are pathetic.
I do feel bad, however. You are going to run away from here, and bother a innocent, not expecting, even trusting person, who could really use some help, assistance, understanding, compassion.
I really hope you honor your decision to leave - you are not helping anyone here.
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You don't really want me to go? Hey you decide, leave or stay?
Thank you for those few nice words if that made you happy....
GO AWAY! [QUOTE=BETHANN]GO AWAY![/QUOTE]
I thought you said I am running away???
Go away!ok back to me and the topic at hand- My daughter. we go to a childrens hospital that houses pediatricians, psychologists. I live in Mississippi, there is not a lot of options available around here. We previously went to just a pediatrician and Meredith would not talk to him. She acts shy around people at first. At this facility she will talk some. They told me she wa a little behind in math but that is her best subject in school. I plan on talking to them some more when we go bank in a couple of weeks. Its just hard for my family her and my husband. He may be her stepfather but her spends more time with her than her own father and is the one who gives her structure and stablity in her life. Meredith's Mom,
Over and over again I read other people's stories on this board, and I can't get over how similar they sound to things I deal/have dealt with. Structure does not come naturally to me, and yet that is the best way for my DS to handle his day. As a single mom, I am the only option my son has for structure. Your daughter is lucky to have numerous people to give her structure and stability!!
Potty training, in general, was a difficult road for us. Sensory integration is part of DS's problem. The "urge" to go just doesn't seem to register until the last possible second, and sometimes it was/is just too late. Your OT (or the one for the school) should be able to give you pointers.
We live in a VERY rural area, and there aren't specialist closer than a 5hr drive away. I have compromised with our ped. If he will teleconference with the folks at Children's, then I won't switch doctors. Ok, I didn't really say that to him...but I begged and begged for more information, and finally found a way to get it.
Here's my personal rant with what delays the school has tested: my DS is only in the first grade. They say he cannot qualify for special services unless he is 2 years behind his peers. Well, he is slowly falling behind, but it might take two more years for them to figure that out for themselves.
Anyway, I am pushing...and I am going to keep pushing. Handwriting is a MAJOR one for us, too. I have finally convinced the resource teacher that for any future "essay" work, my son be allowed to use a keyboard. There has been tentative agreement. Do you think your school could do something like that?
I guess I don't have much advice, because I'm new to this as well, but I can commiserate with what you're dealing with and I find it helps to just know there are others out there who understand. Keep me posted with any advice you receive...as it might just be the trick I'm looking for too!!! Best of luck. Dear Merediths mom,
My 9-year old ADD daughter also suffers from constipation
and in the past soiling. The meds she takes have this
accompanying affect (methlyphendate: a.k.a. Ritalin can
and often does cause constipation). She still suffers
from constipation, although she doesn't have accidents
anymore. Be that as it may, it did take a long time and
there are still times when the bowel movement is held,
gets hard and going is unsuccessful that there are
remants on her underwear or days when she has to run for
the toilet because the bowel movement finally comes
unexpectantly. Both she and her elder sister (17, no
meds, no ADD) have had trouble with hard stools or
constipation.
She does usually get enough fiber, enough liquid, enough
exercise, limit chocolate, etc. but I have to be vigilant
so as to avoid hard or held stools. I give her lactulose
daily (I live in Europe so I cannot tell you a particular
product name, sorry!). Having her on a careful diet and
having her have a toilet routine (of always going at a
certain time of day whether she needs to or not) also
helps. I am sure you are doing much of what I do. I can
only say, it does get better! Hang in there.
Hi Meredith's Mom,
I just read this thread for the first time today. I want to congratulate you on not getting sidetracked by SaveChildren. The reason BethAnn is so upset is because the idea that ADHD medications are wrong is incorrect. Yes, they do have sideaffects sometimes that must be dealt with, but they are proven in PLACEBO CONTROLLED BLIND TESTS to be the most effective treatment for adhd. Anyone who ignores this is ignorant of the science. They are spreading misinformation, and should be ignored.
Medications may or may not work for you. When you are having as much trouble as you are with the meds, it really is time to work with a specialist. I don't have any advice for you, but simply want to share some of my experiences, in the hopes that it is helpful. I live in Minnesota. While I would love for my son to see a psychiatrist, it is practically impossible on my managed health care plan. What we do is see a developmental pediatrician. This is a pediatrician who has had extra training in developmental delays like ADHD. 75% of our developmental pediatrician's practice is adhd kids. While our regular pediatrician is nice, she simply doesn't have the depth of knowledge or experience to try to tweak this meds to try and get better relief.
My son is now in the 8th grade. Your statement about handwriting caught my eye. We have also had a horrible time with handwriting. Most adhd kids struggle with handwriting- it is slow and boring and tedious and they don't want to do it. They usually write very sloppy. But some kids have an extra hard time with handwriting- it is more than just being sloppy because they go too fast. Some people call this dysgraphia- but the scientists don't have complete agreement on what all is involved in dysgraphia so it is not a standard diagnosis like adhd. For my son, he cannot write neatly even if he tries. His handwriting is very large. It looks like a much younger child's. He actually writes very slowly. And writing tires him completely out. Writing hasn't become automatic for him like it does for most kids- he can't write and listen to the lecture at the same time- it's pretty much one or the other.
The professionals who know the most about handwriting are Occupational Therapists. They can also help with Sensory Integration and practical things like Toilet training. You may be able to get Occupational Therapy services through your school. You can request an evaluation. Is your child on a 504 plan or an IEP plan at school for her adhd? Request an evaluation for one. These plans can put in places ways for the teacher to help your child- for example, making sure the child sits in the front of the room where they are less distracted, or repeating the instructions for the child or writing them down, etc. Some of these small things make a big, big difference for kids with adhd. The school Occupational Therapist could work with your child on handwriting.
I was not able to get Occupational Therapy for my child through the schools. In Minnesota, you have to be recieving services for something else before they will give you Occupational Therapy services- it is not a stand alone. (The school OT said my child was slow but within normal limits on his writing, but when his teacher had to fill out a form for my private evaluation, she said he was over 2 grade levels behind. ) However, I was able to get Occupational Therapy through my health insurance. I had no idea this was possible before I did it. My son went twice a week for 2 years. There is no cure all, but it did help him some, and nothing else helped for his handwriting. Ask your doctor for a referral for occupational therapy. I did have to pay a copay of per visit, but the rest was covered by my insurance. Your situation may be different in Mississippi.
If you can't get OT help, let me tell you about what you can do at home. Find fine motor activities that your daughter likes. Does she like to color? Color with her every day. Look for coloring pages of something she is interested in. If she finds them babyish, look for Mandala coloring pages- it is more of an abstract design. Look for arts and crafts activities- mosaics, bead projects. Puzzibits are fun and really strengthen the hands. Make those window clingy things where the child has to squeeze the paint out to make the design. Does she like Lego projects?
When my son went to OT for handwriting, these are some of the first things the OT did. By that point, he absolutely HATED writing so she worked to find things that would improve his writing that would be enjoyable to do. (Otherwise, how are you going to get them to do it, LOL.) My son was older and a boy, so we really had to work hard to find things he would like or at least tolerate. Our best successes were with flashy sports cars!
In school, in 3rd grade the amount of writing increases, and in 5th grade it really explodes. In 6th grade, it actually gets alot better because most of the teachers want the projects typed. I would also encourage you as others have to ask to be allowed to use a keyboard in school as she gets older. When my son was in the 5th grade, this smart boy who scored in the 99% on achievement tests, spent his entire evening every night doing homework- every single night, and it was still a struggle to finish. The writing just slowed him down that much. So I got put in his 504 plan that I the parent could scribe for him if time became a problem- if I did scribe, I was to sign and date the material. I was only to write what he said to me- of course he was supposed to be doing the thinking part himself. His answers were much more interesting and complete when he could just say it compared to when he had to write it. When he had to write it, he just did the bare minimum or not even that. I only scribed when we absolutely had to- usually he had done a couple of hours homework by then. Now that I look back, I would have scribed much, much more because my son was miserable, and he didn't get better at writing anyway.
Making the child practice writing over and over again probably won't help the handwriting- it will just make them miserable. It is better to practice a little bit every day and find other activities to do that will help and be more fun.
If she likes Math, and that is her strength, maybe you can have her do one of those math game CDs on the computer- that way she would strenthen her math, but the handwriting wouldn't get in her and it would seem less like school work.
Sorry to be so long winded. Handwriting really strikes a cord with me because it really had us defeated for a while. Keep plugging away. It is very hard work, but there are things out there that will help make life better for your child.
[QUOTE=BETHANN]
Go away - you are not worth my time! I don't know who you "really are" or "really want". I don't want you misleading innocent families who care about their children. You are NOT helping.
Go hang out on the alternative board - where they are looking for alternatives methods.
[/QUOTE]Ok, May I know who this is? I just posted the messages so that it can be of any help to somebody, if not for you. Atleast for someone who cares for their children. Who wants their children free from bad effects of medication. I can't be misleading if I am guiding parents to a safe alternative to their children, do I?
You really don't get it. And you honestly think you are offering help? You have your opinion and I have mine. That is why there is also an alternative board.
Go to the alternative board. That is where you belong.
[QUOTE=BETHANN]You really don't get it. And you honestly think you are offering help? You have your opinion and I have mine. That is why there is also an alternative board.
Go to the alternative board. That is where you belong.
[/QUOTE]To be honest. Yes, I really think I am offering help. And yes I am a doctor as well.
I see that you are a senior member here, yes you may be knowing lot about the prescription medications. But I am good at what I know. I don't know who you are, but you seem to be against me guiding parents toward natural medication. Anyway's just want to remind you that, we parents are the ones whom our children are putting their trust on and we shouldn't be putting them on something that harms them and ruins their health and future.
If you never have done any reading other than prescription medication, then please do so, if you really care about these innocent families who are here for help.
Thanks and bye...
You can say whatever you want, BUT you are NO doctor, legally that is.
No doctor would ever do what you are trying to do!
Troll!!
[QUOTE=BETHANN]You can say whatever you want, BUT you are NO doctor, legally that is.
No doctor would ever do what you are trying to do!
Troll!!
[/QUOTE]Why do you say so? Yes I am a doctor... You can't prove me otherwise because that's the plain truth...
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DR. TROLL! crawl back under your rock, you sure don't want to go over to the alternative boards to offer them your "help"
What are you afraid of, that the folks who use alternative methods will also figure you out?!
[QUOTE=BETHANN]DR. TROLL! crawl back under your rock, you sure don't want to go over to the alternative boards to offer them your "help"
What are you afraid of, that the folks who use alternative methods will also figure you out?!
[/QUOTE]What do you mean crawl back? I just joined the forum today and this is where I ended up posting. I didn't see much discussions there and that's why I ended up here... What's there to be afraid of ?
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Misleading information.
Leave the children alone!
Go get some help!!
Dr. Troll,
Go "save the children" elsewhere!
[QUOTE=BETHANN]Dr. Troll,
Go "save the children" elsewhere!
[/QUOTE]Would you please, try to be more polite, did I do anything to you? All I did was answer some posts. Try and be a better human please. It sure will help you in the long run. Understand that each one posting here in the forum is a real human. Bye...
Don't change the subject and try to make yourself seem human, troll.
I have been around here for awhile, so don't start.
We all know a troll when we see one!
TROLL!!
[QUOTE=BETHANN]Misleading information.
Leave the children alone!
Go get some help!!
[/QUOTE]Just because you know something doesn't mean that every other information is misleading. Try doing some reading online on how you can help, rather than wasting your time misbehaving. Anyway I believe people here are able to differentiate the good from the bad.
This is a place where people who are looking for help/information come, NOT where people arrive and preach their beliefs/opinions on many different subjects. That is exactly what you did.
A DOCTOR would never do such a thing, nor a person wanting to help. A person wanting to help would go to their subject matter (alternative) and start a new thread.
Not you, you had to add your "stuff" to innocent people who are scared, worried, looking for help, comfort, etc.
We don't do that here!!
This is a place where people who are looking for help/information come, NOT where people arrive and preach their beliefs/opinions on many different subjects. That is exactly what you did.
A DOCTOR would never do such a thing, nor a person wanting to help. A person wanting to help would go to their subject matter (alternative) and start a new thread.
Not you, you had to add your "stuff" to innocent people who are scared, worried, looking for help, comfort, etc.
We don't do that here!!
[/QUOTE]I don't know where I did that, nor will anyone reading any of my posts. I beleive. I never preached beliefs or opinions. I just stated the facts. Plainly, you didn't like me guiding people towards natural treatment.
Think for a moment? What's the point in directing people to prescribe harmful medications that only hurts kids? How am I misleading or preaching my own information, if the information I tried to share was saving them from the bad effects - headache, nausea, depression, suicidal tendency, sleeplessness, addiction to medication, stomach ache, anger, increased heart beat, chances of depression, heart attack in adult hood and even death in some cases.
It's not the right way to behave towards someone just trying to change the way the younger generation is going. Anyway I have no complaints, I just hope and beleive people will open their eyes and see, if they really care about their children.
Bye...
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I don't know where I did that, nor will anyone reading any of my posts. I beleive.
And you say you are a doctor? You are a mess. Go back and read the threads from beginning to end, everyone, on every subject. You say the same on everyone. Now you don't even know what you posted.
I am sure this back and forth is just a game to you. But it isn't to us.
You need to offer your "help" on the alternative boards. People looking for that information will find it, whey can't you???
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[QUOTE=SaveChildren]
I don't know where I did that, nor will anyone reading any of my posts. I beleive.
And you say you are a doctor? You are a mess. Go back and read the threads from beginning to end, everyone, on every subject. You say the same on everyone. Now you don't even know what you posted.
I am sure this back and forth is just a game to you. But it isn't to us.
You need to offer your "help" on the alternative boards. People looking for that information will find it, whey can't you???
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Just the same thing ? Yes and that's - Go with natural medication, that's what is needed and that's the only things needed from what I read in all these posts. Even if that didn't help you a bit, I know what I said will help somebody who try to go lookout for natural mediation rather than just follow the threads here and put their child on strong medication.
About the alternative thread. As I already said, nobody's even posting there - Simple reason - They just think there is no better way than prescription drugs. It's the same thing that you are doing as well. Just telling everyone go get ritalin, strattera, concerta, adderal and what not.
End result - same unhappy parent and suffering child.
Your preaching doesn't belong here. This is a board that is very successful with offering help and solutions - PERIOD. It has a reputation that we live up to with many, many success'.
We worked hard to get where we are. NO one here needs someone like you to come along all of a sudden and change things. NO ONE.
Go back to the hole you crawled out from under.
AND if there is a poor innocent child that you are caring for, I only hope that you are helping that child so that that child may lead a successful life AND that you aren't doing "something" out of your own personal fears and opinions that could harm that child.
Maybe you, DOCTOR, , needs to read up on the subject matter. Then you can offer accurate advise!
Your preaching doesn't belong here. This is a board that is very successful with offering help and solutions - PERIOD. It has a reputation that we live up to with many, many success'.
We worked hard to get where we are. NO one here needs someone like you to come along all of a sudden and change things. NO ONE.
Go back to the hole you crawled out from under.
AND if there is a poor innocent child that you are caring for, I only hope that you are helping that child so that that child may lead a successful life AND that you aren't doing "something" out of your own personal fears and opinions that could harm that child.
Maybe you, DOCTOR, , needs to read up on the subject matter. Then you can offer accurate advise!
Don't want to waste my time making useless talks. I just want people to see what the talk is all about and let them make the choice for their child. I hope this exchange of words is enough for them to go do a search on google and find the right, safe medication for their child. That's all I need...
You aren't trying to help, you are trying to push your "way" - that is NOT what REAL doctors do!! You are a fake and a fraud.
I don't agree with anything you are saying
AND I don't believe that you want to help anyone. You do not come here with clean hands, you are NOT truthful.
We do not allow people to come here and hurt/harm others. NO way!
AGAIN, go to the site where you belong. We aren't bothering you, don't bother us! We don't try to push our opinons and success stories down your throat to change what you believe, So don't come here and try to do it to us!
You aren't trying to help, you are trying to push your "way" - that is NOT what REAL doctors do!! You are a fake and a fraud.
I don't agree with anything you are saying
AND I don't believe that you want to help anyone. You do not come here with clean hands, you are NOT truthful.
We do not allow people to come here and hurt/harm others. NO way!
AGAIN, go to the site where you belong. We aren't bothering you, don't bother us! We don't try to push our opinons and success stories down your throat to change what you believe, So don't come here and try to do it to us!
[/QUOTE]Please understand that I am not an allopathic doctor. I have my doctors degree in alternative medicine. Whos hurting and whos harming, let the people themselves decide. And please take for yourself some of those medications you are prescribing, so that you will keep your cool.
