[QUOTE=scarygreengiant]I don't think Sonya is bitter about her parents not giving her medications. At least, that doesn't seem to be the main issue. She's angry because they didn't bother to take her to the doctor to get a diagnosis and try to help her at all. They didn't even bother to try therapy, behavior modification, diet changes, supplements. Nothing! [/QUOTE]
FINALLY!! THIS IS MY POINT...
You know, i could possibly even understand why they did not take me to the doctor.
what I never could understand was why did they fuss at me and argue at me and throw such awful words around if they knew I could not help what I was doing?
They never tried any of the tecniques they read about in any of the books for things that they knew I had a problem with. instead they constantly yelled at me and harped on me and made me feel like I was a bad person, and "abnormal" because "normal people don't have problems with things like this, so what's wrong with you???" They chose to stomp down my self esteem rather than to try to be patient of the problems the KNEW I could not help.
THIS is what bother's me...
(I also posted lots more on this in the other "parents" forum....)
My biggest hang up, is if they suspected, why did they not at least take me to the doctor to confirm it? what parent starts suspecting a mental condition in their child, and won't even take them to the doctor?
i mean, what if it was not ad/hd? what if it had been something else worse?
if they wanted to do "other treatment" and not meds, AT LEAST the diagnosis from a doctor would have gone a long way. I mean, my teachers and everything in high school did not even believe I HAD ad/hd because I was so quiet, and I was not a "trouble making ad/hder", you know not the type that was bouncing off the classroom walls. but I was so spacy, and I did things like sat the whole math class for the entire semester and doodled and drew. I was in a little world of my own.
I needed serious help. My teachers, since I was so well behaved, believed it was a matter of just "buckling down", if i just wanted to. They would have treated me better if they knew their was a legitimate real thing that was wrong with me, and not just a "willful" thing...My mother tried to tell my teachers that I had ADD, but the bottom line for my teachers was that if they didn't have a DOCTOR confirming this, then their hands were tied....and plus that, i was so "quiet" and "well behaved" that they ended up not believe her...
But my mother KNEW the nature of my problem, and some points, she knew better than I did because she read so much....I don't understand how she missed the whole "TAKE YOUR CHILD TO A PROFFESSIONAL TO GET CHECKED!!" point!.
it really makes me mad about this....
If I may try to offer some insight to the decisions your parents made from my own experience...[QUOTE=kay's mom]If I may try to offer some insight to the decisions your parents made from my own experience...
I failed to medicate my daughter in first grade after she was diagnosed and I had a prescription in my hand. She is now in third grade. Two years I denied her medication. So many things went through (still go through) my mind. Everyone I asked their opinion of what I should do had a different answer but in the end it was don't put her on meds.
My Parents: My mother who is a social worker for abused/neglected kids said she had seen so many kids on Ritilin that appeared as though their soul had been taken.
My daughter's Father: She will become a drug addict
My boyfriend: She's to smart for her own good. If she would just do the work instead of trying to get out of it...
Coworkers: I knew somebody that knew somebody insert horror story here
Myself: The schools just can't handle her she smarter than me I'm a bad parent if I just disciplined her better. Poor thing takes after me and nobody doped me up. so on..
You're probably thinking, but yeah you have her on meds now! And this is true but I reached a turning point. I do not want her to have to repeat third grade without first trying every option I have. I have taken that threat personally. If she repeats third grade and I have tried everything I could besides doing the work for her myself then my concience is clear.
Some parents believe hey the child is who he/she is. Just because I want her to have better grades or not embarrass me in the store doesn't give me the right to medicate her aka dope her up.
I can't speak for your parents but in my case I love my daughter very much and sometimes my love for her damages my ability to see/do what's best for her. I didn't want her to be a zombie like her best friend appeared to be..found out later her dose was to high.
I'm rambling but I hope I was able to shed some light on MAYBE why your parents did what they did but in the meantime...good luck to you and your new life. Try not to dwell on the past.
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Incidently, kay's mom, i am NOT disputing the fact that you chose not to medicate your daughter, for whatever reasons. That is not the problem I am contending with...
When it went through your mind that your daughter may have a problem with ad/hd, I noticed that you DID love her enough to AT LEAST take her to the doctor and have her confirm your suspicions. That is all I wanted from my parents. HOW DID THEY KNOW FOR CERTAIN THAT THE PROBLEM I WAS DEALING WITH WAS, IN FACT, AD/HD?? they had no way of knowing for certain, they just ASSUMED it was ad/hd. There are other problems that sometimes mimic ad/hd, and they KNEW this, yet they STILL did not take me to see a proffessional...
I went from 7th grade, all the way through to adult hood, about 8 years, my problems getting worse and worse and worse, and never ONCE did they even consider just checking with doctor, just to be sure that AD/hd was the problem....
I asked them why, do you know what they told me?
"SHRINKS COST TOO MUCH MONEY"....
At times I begged and pleaded with them that I wanted to go to the family doctor because I felt like I could do better and I wanted to just talk to somebody about the matter, they adamantly refused, choosing instead to chastise me and constatly punish and ground me and so forth, KNOWING I had a problem.
I felt like I was not worth their worry or time or concern. I grew up feeling this way, and later I had to be treated for severe depression...
As for the original topic Were my parents understanding
Sonya I failed to read your whole post. I thought they knew you have ADHD but didn't medicate you.[QUOTE=sparky29]my parents said that im "brighter than that & to enver use it as a crutch". it got to the point that it was better to pretend that i didnt have add and that whenever an issue came up or a symptom, . I" am just being irresponsible and shouldve know better." I am a very sincere person, but that kinda ticks me off. i always ask for sugestions on things to do about it, but yet, according to my mom " i dont need help, you just need to focus & stop being lazy". that was my main problem, i coudlnt focus, thoughts were flying through my head at a rapid rate. [/QUOTE]
I know, this really makes me sick.
to tell a person with ad/hd, to "snap out of it", or to just "focus" and to "stop being lazy" is like expecting someone who wears glasses and has bad eyesight to be able to "just see straight" without their glasses, "if they just wanted to". it does not work this way. It irritates me when parents who are AWARE of their children's ad/hd, and who are EDUCTATED about it to expect them to be able to do this...they would not expect their children to just 'snap out of it' if their child was to need eyeglasses...it's not reasonable.
[QUOTE=bcgirl1978] [QUOTE=scarygreengiant]Sonya, I am sorry about your situation. Your parents are truly evil and they obviously don't care about you. Why would they watch your life go downhill knowing exactly what the reason was and still not do anything about it? It's forgivable if the parent is truly clueless but yours obviously weren't. As least my mother was clueless about ADD. I can't imagine why a parent would treat you like that despite knowing about ADD. The only reason I can think of is they don't love you. It sounds like they're STILL being cruel to you so you should just get them out of your life. You're better off without them anyway. They don't deserve you. If I were you I would never forgive them.Seems a common reaction for parents to say "I don't want to drug my kids", but the kid is probably feeling so depressed by the time they are 17 they are just going to start drinking and taking drugs anyway.
My mother used to tell me all the time I was highly intelligent, why couldn't I make the most of it, instead of wasting my talents and flunking everything.
My dad committed suicide when I was 15 and I think my mum and all the teachers at school thought I was a lousy student because I had never got over it.
I wish one of them had realised it was actually ADD that made me bad at school!
I'll never forget my dad acknowledging me at my 21st:
"Kristen moves to her own beat and rhythmn. It is not always easy to understand where she is coming from. But through the fog she achieves her goals. I guess this makes her unique, and we are very proud of her."
He's a doctor, and after years of my mum nagging he agreed I had a problem. He referred me to a specialist and the rest is history. They couldn't understand where I was coming from before but now are extremely accepting and take me for who I am. It's been a struggle to get here, but now it feels a lot better.
I also get what you are saying about the alternative route many parents try. I suffered from depression as a result of being undiagnosed. The tablets we tried at first were horrible and mum was very scared. But then without anything I hit the wall again. Sometimes people do need medicine. Same with the ADD.
As long as you are using it as part of an overall plan and change, not just as a miracle fixer, once you find the right one for you it's so beneficial.
Wow Sonya, It must have been so hard for you. This really is a contentious issue as we have all seen. With medicating kids, there are always horror stories to turn parents off and cause panic. As Kay's mum said, her friend's child seemed 'doped' but the medication turned out to be too high, so it's up to everyone to decide for themselves what is best. You have to keep an open mind, because it affects each person differently.
My mum thinks it is fantastic that the meds are helping, but she also said she doesn't fully approve of me taking them.
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I asked them why, do you know what they told me?
"SHRINKS COST TOO MUCH MONEY"....
At times I begged and pleaded with them that I wanted to go to the family doctor because I felt like I could do better and I wanted to just talk to somebody about the matter, they adamantly refused, choosing instead to chastise me and constatly punish and ground me and so forth, KNOWING I had a problem.
I felt like I was not worth their worry or time or concern. I grew up feeling this way, and later I had to be treated for severe depression...
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It sounds pretty bad. If it makes you feel better, many families are pretty bad.
I think it's admirable that you have decided to be different from your parents.
My belief is that it's almost impossible to really completely move on from an exprerience without finding a way to forgive.
If you can do that without forgiving your parents, you are a stronger person than I have ever been.
That's ok, kay's mom. I will try to move on, and live my life as a mother differently from the examples that have been set for me.
I just encourage parents take the child to the doctor, and get a diagnosis, if they think that there is some ad/hd issues. If you chose not to medicate, then it is your choice, but AT LEAST you will know for certain what the problem is, and can also look into therapy, or other help sessions....without a diagnosis, life is very difficult.
sonya_h38440.6716550926 My mother was too understanding if that is possible.well, i am 26 weeks pregnant and both me AND my husband have ad/hd, and if my little baby boy has symptoms of it one day, i will be much more supportive to him than my parents were to me...i can guarantee that---cause I been there.
I think my mother has ADD herself. But here's the thing - she was sooooo used to berating herself about every little thing (constantly calling herself stupid, etc.), that she did not want to tolerate anything like that from her daughters. Whenever I got frustrated with myself (getting a mediocre grade even though I had studied, forgetting my homework at school, etc), my mother told me to stop. I would say, "but mom, you constantly call yourself stupid". She said, "that's different, I AM stupid".
My mother was NOT stupid. She took the Menza test and passed - and Menza represents the top 2% IQ range.
So in other words, she had noticed that I was lazy, and a procrastinator, etc, but didn't want to admit anything was wrong.
This is a sensitive subject for me.
My parents KNEW I had ad/hd.....I was a HUGE problem back in the 90's, back when LOTS of ad/hd children were getting treatment, I was on the oddball because I was not like the "normal" kids, and also because I was not with the treated-and-better ad/hd kids. I was always stuck somewhere out there in the middle, making bad grades. My parents learned about ad/hd, but refused to take me to go see a doc, and still held on to a fact that "a little bit of it is laziness"...it hurt when my father told me this on more than one occassion.
My dad told me that I was lazy and sloppy and no one would want a lazy and sloppy woman for a wife..(I was a hopelessly romantic teen, at the time, and this really pierced my heart.)
They fussed at me and constantly harped on me because I had proplems sleeping at night.
My mother constantly and continuesly harped on me because I could not keep my room clean. Sometimes, she would refuse to have a conversation with me, or to speak to me until my room was cleaned.
They both took in extremely personal when I came home with bad grades. They took everything I did personally.
I would perhaps be more forgiving to them on this, if they knew nothing of ad/hd at the time.
BUT THEY KNEW! MY MOTHER USED TO COME HOME WITH STACKS OF BOOKS FROM THE LIBRARY ABOUT AD/HD TO READ! They just wanted to be ignorant. This is perhaps the greatest pain of all.
I know, they probably meant well, and they have done other things for us, but they sometimes still hold over my head my ad/hd, as if it is my fault that I have it.
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Sonya, I am sorry about your situation. Your parents are truly evil
and they obviously don't care about you. Why would they watch your life
go downhill knowing exactly what the reason was and still not do
anything about it? It's
forgivable if the parent is truly clueless but yours obviously weren't.
As least my mother was
clueless about ADD. I can't imagine why a parent would treat you like
that despite knowing about ADD. The only reason I can think of is they
don't love you. It sounds like they're STILL being cruel to you so you
should just get them out of your life. You're better off without them
anyway.
They don't deserve you. If I were you I would never forgive them.
I'm sorry my mother never lived to know I have always had ADHD.
But she did support me in whatever I did after graduating high school. She did write me a letter once, in how I've always marched to the beat of a different drummer, and that whatever I decided to do with my life, she would support me. So perhaps she knew more about me than I did, after all. This is a sensitive subject for me.
My parents KNEW I had ad/hd.....I was a HUGE problem back in the 90's, back when LOTS of ad/hd children were getting treatment, I was on the oddball because I was not like the "normal" kids, and also because I was not with the treated-and-better ad/hd kids. I was always stuck somewhere out there in the middle, making bad grades. My parents learned about ad/hd, but refused to take me to go see a doc, and still held on to a fact that "a little bit of it is laziness"...it hurt when my father told me this on more than one occassion.
My dad told me that I was lazy and sloppy and no one would want a lazy and sloppy woman for a wife..(I was a hopelessly romantic teen, at the time, and this really pierced my heart.)
They fussed at me and constantly harped on me because I had proplems sleeping at night.
My mother constantly and continuesly harped on me because I could not keep my room clean. Sometimes, she would refuse to have a conversation with me, or to speak to me until my room was cleaned.
They both took in extremely personal when I came home with bad grades. They took everything I did personally.
I would perhaps be more forgiving to them on this, if they knew nothing of ad/hd at the time.
BUT THEY KNEW! MY MOTHER USED TO COME HOME WITH STACKS OF BOOKS FROM THE LIBRARY ABOUT AD/HD TO READ! They just wanted to be ignorant. This is perhaps the greatest pain of all.
I know, they probably meant well, and they have done other things for us, but they sometimes still hold over my head my ad/hd, as if it is my fault that I have it.
sonya_h38439.4519328704[QUOTE=sonya_h]This is a sensitive subject for me.
My parents KNEW I had ad/hd.....[/QUOTE]
That's very sad, Sonya, it must have been very hard for you.
My parents didn't know, and I think they would have been supportive if they had access to the right information. I like to think so anyway.
Mark -
[QUOTE=scarygreengiant]Sonya, I am sorry about your situation. Your parents are truly evil and they obviously don't care about you. Why would they watch your life go downhill knowing exactly what the reason was and still not do anything about it? It's forgivable if the parent is truly clueless but yours obviously weren't. As least my mother was clueless about ADD. I can't imagine why a parent would treat you like that despite knowing about ADD. The only reason I can think of is they don't love you. It sounds like they're STILL being cruel to you so you should just get them out of your life. You're better off without them anyway. They don't deserve you. If I were you I would never forgive them.Once I asked them, after my shrink informed me that I was now severely depressed, why they never took me to see a doc, they said that they didn't want to see me "walking around doped up" all the time....
But if they did ANY research and bothered at all to thumb through the books that THEY THEMSELVES brought home to read, they would know that for some people this HAS TO BE AN OPTION....i just don't understand them....
they can be so giving in some ways and so hopelessly stubborn and old fashioned and incredibly callus in other ways. I really have a weird relationship with them, but all in all i think that it is not the best relationship, and yes, my husband and I plan to move away from the area where they (and my husband's "basket case" family
) live...not to run away from our problems, but to deal with them without the negative surroundings.
Once I asked them, after my shrink informed me that I was now severely depressed, why they never took me to see a doc, they said that they didn't want to see me "walking around doped up" all the time....[/QUOTE]
I guess we've all seen parents wander into these forums looking for alternatives to medication. Let's give them an honest answer - yes, there is an alternative to treatment: the alternative is to condemn your kid to years of unhappiness.
Maybe they mean well, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions - and it will be Hell, absolute Hell, for the child.
Mark -
It's got to be hard for someone without ADD to comprehend how one can not "just do something". My parents used to ask me why I would come home from school and pile my clothes on the chair in my bedroom, rather than put them away. "Your closet is five steps in the other direction - why don't you just hang them up???"you know, maybe they were in denial. I would rather have a parent who did not know, than to have one in denial, though.
and let's face it. we are smart. as a general rule, ad/hders have an intelligience of above average level...and most of our parents know this...
maybe it's hard for them to see their intelligient children not able to do the most simple things without the help of meds? they don't understand why we can be so smart an yet not able to simply keep our room clean, maybe?
because other than these "simple" things that's hard for us to do, ad/hd is otherwise invisible. people tend not to believe it's there, or that it's as big as it actually is. we look normal, and we are smart, so most people think people as smart as us could just "snap out of it" if we wanted to...
You know, Ivette, you're right.. I have gone to boards of parents with adhd kids, they are really really negative! I know a lot of the parents are good parents trying hard to help their kids. But they are really overshadowed by the ones who get on there and just blast the poor little tykes as being the most horrible curse they've ever had. It really makes me angry! I'm sure its lack of understanding, but give me a break, its your child for gosh sake- love the poor thing, dont break him/her into little pieces!!
I read many of your comments. I sort of feel a little resentment towards my mother I guess. Specially, because even when I showed her my most recent brain scans, doctors' letters, printed reports.... ect. she looked right at me with disapointment and said "sorry, but I just can't understand you" . I felt like such and idiot. I am almost 30 and still trying to look for her support.
Often times, I hear so many complaints of parents about their children's ADHD behavior. It makes me a bit sad. I think is because my mother had the same sort of attitude towards me as a child. I remember feeling so sad everytime she would tell me to stop using "forgeting" as an excuse, so I started lying and making up stories to truly excuse my mistakes. This seemed to work better than telling the truth.
Ivil_Ivette38439.8062268519[QUOTE=Ivil_Ivette]It used to hurt me when she would tell me to stop using "forgeting" as an excuse. I know we can sometimes be difficult to live with. I guess it must be diffucult to understand us. [/QUOTE]
It used to hurt me when my dad would give me a whack across the ear for forgetting! I tried to explain that I didn't forget deliberately - that to deliberately forget something is almost impossible, because in order to deliberately forget something you first have to remember it.
Sadly, that sort of argument usually resulted in another whack across the ear and a remark such as "take that, smartarse".
I don't blame my parents. They had no knowledge of ADD, and had no way of knowing the problems I had (neither of my parents appear to have any significant ADD traits). The only explanation they had was that I was just 'bad'.
Mark -
No, mine weren't either. They just said I was lazy, needed to pay attention, listen better, & clean up after myself.