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I cant speak for straterra buth with stimulant medications for adhd if the child doesnt have adhd the medfication wont work so even if a child is msidiagnosed with adhd the child is taken off the medication as it has no benenfits.
Here is a website that I found: http://www.adhdfraud.org/ Fred Baughman, Jr. MD
This made me very angry. Basically this guy says that he's a Neurologist/Pediatric Neurologist and that ANYTHING that doesn't have a PHYSICAL ailment/abnormality, is a fraud. It's not real and you simply have to change your mind and you'll no longer suffer from what ails you...
Yep, everyone with Depression, Bi-Polar, Schizophrenia, ADD/ADHD, etc - we're all being "Lied to" and "drugged" by the medical community for the doctors and pharmacies to make money off of us.
And there's nothing you can tell him to convince him otherwise, he has a great argument for every question/accusation, etc. He even shows up in court as an 'expert' to be used against those who are being sued for diagnosing children as ADD/ADHD.
Here's a quote from his email section:
"you have been decieved. The people who told you it was a disease for which you needed treatment lied to you and violated your informed consent rights. Informed consent means that you, the patient, are told all you need to know about all of the risks and benefits of your treatment situation. The risks, in medicine, ususually come from the disease, the benefits from the treatment. All must bear in mind that all treatments, as well, are risky. Only when the probability of the risk vs. benefit equation is for a positive outcome should the physician urge treatment, and should the patient give their informed consent. In the case of ADHD and all psychiatric disorders--none of them diseases, there is no disease on the risk side of the risk/benefit equation. The only risks of the situation are those of the drug, drugs, surgery, ECT. You have been decieved. The sooner (with medical guidance) you come off of the drugs you are on, the sooner the risks from them will be diminished. All of them, without a doubt, cause some lasting, if unseen, damage to the brain and other organs. Addiction and the brain changes thereof is only one of the risks. "
He gives absolutely no advice except to get off the drugs and the symptoms will go away! He says that it's the parents and school's fault that the children are the way they are:
"The challenges/problems your son presents to the adults in his life, his parents and teachers are no doubt real but they do not constitute a disease, they are not a medical problem and their is not, therefore a medical solution. If there is no disease--for which their must be a diagnostic, objective, physical abnormality on some exam/test, the problems your son/child has and presents to all in his life, family, school and community, are situational and are his failure and that of all adults in his life charged with his rearing and for his preparation. Psychiatry and all that is 'mental health' wants you to think otherwise so he will become a patient, fodder for the mental health industry and for the pharmaceutical industry that owns and controls it all. Succumb to that and you will, in effect be surrendering your responsibility to your child and family and you will be surrendering him. In other words, parenting is tough and it is never ending, there is no point at which you are entitled to give up not even in the form of saying 'it is medical--a chemical imbalance.' Find the book by David B. Stein of Longwood, VA. U. on child rearing without labeling and drugging. By the way, I am not merely refuting the fraudulent claim that adhd is a fraud, that it does not exist, I am telling you that your son is your responsibility, and the schools responsibility. If problems persist, if he feels life is not worth living, analysis and effort must start and end at home. Do not turn, wishful thinking like to the disease/drug model, it is very seductive and it is an out for parents when there is no such thing as a parent 'out'. Good luck to you, your family and your son. "
Here's his 'proof':
"Becoming depressed is something that happens to all normal individuals for reasons to be found in their everyday lives, it is not a disease due to an abnormality of the brain, and any physician or official saying it is is lying to, defrauding you, trying to make a medical patient of you to give you a drug. Press any doctor of yours with the question where is the test that shows the abnormality in me when I am depressed--the scan, spinal tap, x-ray, biopsy--there is none, and regardless of the 'diagnosis' if their is no objective proof of an abnormality, there is no disease. In fact if one is unable to manifest depression, anxiety, even panic, to appropriate circumstances, as in the case of one severely retarded or 'autistic' (invariably diffusely brain damaged and retarded to some degree, usually, moderate to severe) then, that person is truly abnormal/diseased and has objective abnormalities in terms of developmental landmarks, neurological abnormalities, CT and MR scans and gross and microscopic abnormalities of the brain seen in 100% of cases at autopsy and none of this can be said of what the American Psychiatric Association now calls diseases to decieve the public, to create patients of normal, troubled, troublesome individuals. Write them, ask they why they lie, ask the NIH and the NIMH and the DEA, FDA, Surgeon General and DHHS why they join psychiatry and Big Pharma in this lie and in their collusion to victimize the public. Also see my web site, order my video: 'ADHD--Total, 100% Fraud.'"
The problem is some normal kids have been put on these meds. We no of a kid on strattera who had never been diagnosed. The videos ARE worth watching, tho'--especially the second one listed on psychiatry's influence in the school--making a valid point against OVER-diagnosing.
Good call lillian!
I dont like the way he casually tossed the word "retarded" around in there. Someone needs to kick him in the ass.
[QUOTE=ilovebackpack] Someone needs to kick him in the ass.[/QUOTE]
Let's get someone with bipolar...on a bad day! 
Great point that he's a scientologist - I didn't know that.
I remember that Tom Cruise was just bashing everyone for the horrible "drug use" we're forcing on our kids for AD(HD). Then he bashed Brooke Shields for using meds for Post Partum Depression.
Nutcase...
Sounds like he's a scientologist.The only 100% fraud I see here is him!lillian wrote:
Sounds like he's a scientologist.
Yes indeed. Dr Fred Baughman is a member of the church of $cientology. The church of $cientology is making plenty of money because Dr Fred Baughman is a medical expert for an advocacy group founded by them.
no, but its just a few hops from the guidance office to a psychiatrists office...and there IS an incentive for the latter to get "customers" registered (ie. diagnosed) for lifelong med-ingestion programs...
and lets be honest about getting diagnosed...if you want the label, sooner or later you will find a professional bottom-dweller who'll be glad to oblige.
its the cosiness of the psych-pharma establishment combined with the responsiveness of well-meaning teachers/guidance counsellors that's a recipe for OVER-/MIS-diagnosis
when physiological normal kids grow up in a Parenting-Skills-deprived home they exhibit behaviours...brain physiology may be fine but their behavior looks like real ADD...easy to tar (and medicate) these kids with the same brush
so watch the videos and get mad...ADD/ADHD exists...but proceed with caution because asking a psychiatrist if you have it is akin to asking a used car salesman if you need a new ride...and what they're selling is serious s___...if you REALLY have ADD the ritalin acts like vitamin-R...but if you're not, it can act like a recreational drug--to similar effect...
do watch the second video...its just 12 mins...this guy Baughman is a fascist but he does hit some nails on the head...it IS too damn easy to get your kid registered for the daily-amphetamine club...when maybe they need lifesyle adjustment (especially improvements in the diet and parenting departments)
Baughman's saying stuff we knee-jerk don't like to hear, but listen...pick the specks of gold out of the bucket of crap before dumping it.
If you research Dr. Amen and his clinics, you will see that there are legitimate brain scans that show that ADD and ADHD are physical problems. The blood flow to the left frontal lobe of the brain is not good. You can see it on a scan. Dr. Amen can diagnose with his scanning. Now if that is not a medical test, then, I don't know what is.
[QUOTE=abright1]The videos ARE worth watching, tho'--especially the second one listed on psychiatry's influence in the school--making a valid point against OVER-diagnosing. [/QUOTE]
Schools can not diagnose.
[QUOTE=Brent]The problem is some normal kids have been put on these meds. We no of a kid on strattera who had never been diagnosed. [/QUOTE]
If he has no dx then what's he taking Strattera for?
you're right about that, but it's not a positive-vs-negative "test"...it's a pattern-recognition judgement call...and if you take a brain scan of anyone (truly-normal or truly ADD) to enough psychiatrists wanting to hear one result...you will find someone to read the scan your way...not like HIV or diabetes or meningitis at all in this respect
Clearly, a quarter of America's children could not have suddenly become Ritalin-deficient inside of a decade...ditto obesity...lifestyle-driven dis-comforts (dis-eases) need lifestyle-focused treatments (esp. changes in diet/exercise/rest patterns and in family-interaction skills)
...BUT there are a handful of true ADD-cases...just like there are a handful of obese with a truly physiological-basis for their condition. We know who we are. And we shouldn't be babies NEEDING to be (or have our children) diagnosed "to feel better". The more prevalent "diagnosing" (ie. labelling) social-inappropriate behavior as ADD/ADHD gets, the worse it is for all of us.
BTW, Dr. Amen's work is bang on--and I'd trust him to look at the survey results and scans to make a judgement call , and I know he would START with the lifestyle adjustment first...and back into pharmaceuticals as a last resort.
seems like these forum boards themselves reflect ADD/ADHD's famed short attention span...never seen one go beyond the 4 page mark...!Dr Fred Baughman is employed by the Church of $cientology. He gets paid to say what he says. There is no belief system. They retain him as one of their experts and since his title has Dr in it, many people take what he says as fact. The entire operation is fraudulent and the church of $cientology stays in business by raping the wallets of the most vulnerable in our society. They recruit crooked doctors and movie stars like Tom cruise who seems to be the poster boy of the month. Who to better beleive than a doctor or a movie star in the publics veiw of things and thats the pscyhology behind their operation. The article below talks about the Tom Cruise interview with Mattt Lauer and it clearly states in the artical that a medical expert, Dr Fred Baughman agrees with the actors criticisms. Of course he agrees because hes an advocate for the church of $scientology.
[QUOTE=autumnstar]Here is a website that I found: http://www.adhdfraud.org/ Fred Baughman, Jr. MD
This made me very angry. Basically this guy says that he's a Neurologist/Pediatric Neurologist and that ANYTHING that doesn't have a PHYSICAL ailment/abnormality, is a fraud. It's not real and you simply have to change your mind and you'll no longer suffer from what ails you...
Yep, everyone with Depression, Bi-Polar, Schizophrenia, ADD/ADHD, etc - we're all being "Lied to" and "drugged" by the medical community for the doctors and pharmacies to make money off of us.
And there's nothing you can tell him to convince him otherwise, he has a great argument for every question/accusation, etc. He even shows up in court as an 'expert' to be used against those who are being sued for diagnosing children as ADD/ADHD.
Hey, it's like a lawsuit, anyone can file anything anytime, doesn't mean you are right or will win. And you can spin the truth in order to say something that is not true without telling a lie.
E.g. Michael & The Bloody Glove
This guy obviously has an agenda, and has found a way to profit by representing money available in lawsuits. It's a game they can play, called let's go so far then settle... In the meantime, we're the ones that suffer, and insurance companies pay, hence we suffer again with increased rates...
Someone tell me if I read that wrong. Didn't he say that a problem had to show up in an autopsy before it could be considered a real illness? Did he claim autism is retardation? My head was swimming between the wavy printing and his lengthy article. I hope I read it wrong.
If I read it right, than someone who is retarded or autistic should not be treated, but forced to learn and act appropriately. Someone who is suicidal should be allowed to kill themselves and our ADHD kids, not to mention us adults, should just get our acts together, as if we wouldn't love to. I've seen and been inflamed by articles refuting the existence of ADHD but this was a first for me concerning retardation and autism.
He better hope he never suffers from any form of dementia. His family will have to beat it out of him. I am not normally mean or vindictive, but I may just make and exception for him. Actually, I bet a good psychiatrist would have a label that he could be diagnosed with.
I wonder if he got hiscredentials from one of those online, "if you pay enough we'll give you any degree and license you want and you don't even have to have a brain or an iq to get it places" ...or a cracker jack box.
Yep, he's a quack so is every $cientologist!
An article mentioning his name and Scientology crap can be found in http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/psych.htm?FACTNet
And I live near the Headquarter of Scientology. Smells fishy from here..
Why do you assume my opinion is based on internet propoganda? There are links to valid sites above.
What do you mean by 'scare tactics' ? The ritalin follow up studies in a previous post for instance - do you believe THOSE are scare tactics? They happen to be FACT
Links leading to Audioblox whom are selling a product do not provide valid information as their agenda is about selling a product. I make no assumptions but because you state that the link you provided on follow up studies are FACT is a big red flag, especially when they are touted by a company selling a product. Its for the poster to decide what is fact or fiction
Its a forum - for points of view as well as for suppositions and uninformed statements :-)
Your not stating a point of view, your pushing your opinions as fact based on links that you deem accurate. Uninformed statements are prevelent amongst newspaper reporters, snailoil salesman, the media and trolls as the agenda has nothing to do with accurate information. Again the reader has to decide what is informed and what isnt and anyone touting their information as fact based on the reseach they do is hardly an objective point of view. The only assumptions made are those made by posters who come here and assume parents havent done the research.
Its up to you whether you wish to weigh up evidence for and against or rather than making assumptions without doing so - whichever way you choose I hope you and yours stay safe :-)
I dont have to weigh any evidence as my son is now a thriving adult and what I share is not about opinions, its about what I have lived and the informed choices I made. I dont have to provide links to validate my point. I share in the spirit of support what has worked for my child. However, thanks for sharing your thoughts as gathering information is how parents make an informed decision for their child as no one knows better than the parent what is best for the child. They take what they need and leave the rest behind.
Audioblox link - thats your opinion. What about the OTHER links? So what do you think about psychiatrists and the pharmaceutical industry SELLING their products? Which is what they're doing.
Audioblox's items are tiny profits compared to what the pharmaceutical industry make on any individual's drug sales. They're also educational, not reliant on toxicity. The study results are NOT their property as I'm sure that you are well aware. The study results are FACTS and that is just one site that those FACTS can be found, and the first one I found and so used. Would you like me to bring up the study results as recorded clinically from a journal?
And the NIH government videos? Those are on government sites. How do you intend to explain those away?
I'm no more 'pushing' my opinion than anyone else, even though you may consider my 'opinion' as pushing as it clearly is not pro the industry as yours is.
Why are you so intent on saying the links are UNINFORMED despite all evidence to the contrary. Even when they're government links. Give people credit - they can check out the links and make their own decision as to the validity or not.
Links to NIH and GlaxoSmithKline for instance are links to places or statements by those who actually try to uphold your views but have had to admit they've failed. If you're really interested in facts why do you try to discredit views other than your own? What evidence do you produce to back up your statements? For instance, what evidence can you show to counteract GSK's retraction on their claims that paxil corrects a 'chemical imbalance'?
I'm very glad your son has done well. I know others who have not. Unfortunately many parents, quite reasonably, trust 'experts' because they believe that they are better educated and more informed than themselves. They trust that the doctor is the one that knows better than themselves as parents. Many have lost children that way. You are more fortunate than many.
I leave links because, as you said, 'the reader has to decide what is informed and what isn't' and by leaving links they are more ABLE to decide.
I WANT people to read for themselves and come to their own conclusions, to exercise their own abilities to be faced with information and then decide, rather than 'accept' what people assert as fact which is often inaccurate, based on assumptions and typically without a source to check its validity. People are not stupid. Some may well decide that the sources I've quoted (so far) are not credible and some will believe they are. I don't anyway believe that anyone is unintelligent enough to read a post that basically dismisses all links (some of which are clearly government or industry links) without evidence to back it up, so perhaps you should leave links so they can weigh up which sources are most credible? That of course is up to you.
I prefer sincerity in any brief contact than attempts to discredit with a 'thanks for posting' attached.
By the way:
You said
Uninformed statements are prevelent amongst newspaper reporters, snailoil salesman, the media and trolls as the agenda has nothing to do with accurate information.
I've often heard the 'snakeoil' line from pharma reps on industry funded 'support boards' but I'm curious about your use of the word "trolls".
Is this (one of a great number of sources) what you mean?
http://www.prwatch.org/node/3797 Do Not Ask for Whom the Poll Trolls Topics: corporations | health | public relations Source: Sacramento Bee, June 26, 2005 This spring, a poll that found half of adult Americans have frequent sleeping problems was reported on "by virtually all of the country's major newspapers and television networks," as well as international media. "Lost in the somber warnings and survey results, however, was that the poll, the proclamations and the press kits that spread the information were paid for by sleeping pill manufacturers," reports the Sacramento Bee. Although the group that released the poll, the National Sleep Foundation (NSF), receives more than half of its income from drug companies, only 17 of 84 newspaper stories "mentioned the foundation's pharmaceutical sponsors." And while the New York public relations firm Zeno Group was touting the NSF poll, it was also hyping the launch of a new sleeping pill, Lunesta. Zeno Group included "a pitch for coverage of the release of the Lunesta sleeping pill" in the NSF press packets announcing the poll results..."I think at least that its clear that I AM NOT A TROLL. It's pretty obvious that I don't have industry incentives in MY "agenda". How about YOU? :-)
Editing: Are you having a problem answering this? I've been sitting here waiting for ages?
Editing again: Are YOU the pharmaceutical troll? ie, No evidence, no links, just an obvious attempt to discredit any information that shows up the pharmaceutical agenda?
curus38626.2431828704Where on earth did people get the idea Fred Baughman is a scientologist?
He's a SCIENTIST. An adult and child neurologist who has discovered REAL diseases. Unlike the APA who invent diseases that don't exist.
http://news.christiansunite.com/Religion_News/religion02960. shtml
"Author Joins Scientologist Cruise in Criticizing Psychiatric Profession...
...As a Scientologist, Cruise believes psychiatry has led to the unnecessary drugging of countless children. Though not a scientologist, Baughman agrees. He insists that youngsters should not be given the highly addictive Schedule II drugs..."
Say No to Drugs - WHOEVER is pushing them.
curus wrote:
Give people credit - they can check out the links and make their own decision as to the validity or not.
Exactly and thats what I stated in more than one post. 
BTW, are you a scientologist? What exactly is your agenda coming here? Please share your expertise and experience.
Good, I'm glad you agree that people can check out the links and make their own decision - thats why I leave articles and links in this 'ADHD & ADD Books and Article Discussion' thread.
To have made an 'informed decision' you would have needed to have researched yourself at the beginning? Links help people to do that and not everyone has an adult child as you say you do and so have perhaps reached a decision years ago, some have young children newly diagnosed and will be looking for articles on ADHD drugs to help them come to a decision. Hence the 'Ritalin follow up study' article posted earlier for instance. There are many more of course, this one is an Australian government article:
http://www.cmc.qld.gov.au/CRIMEBULLETIN4.html
"...In November 2000, the former Queensland Crime Commission pointed to the amphetamine market as the highest risk crime market in