Adderall vs Methamphetamine?
Hi All - I am a 34 year old Adderall XR user and have been for about 1.5 yrs (20mg/day). I am starting to hear all this news on the "meth" epidemic with adults building labs in their homes, ruining their lives, etc to obtain this drug(Newsweek, nightly news, etc). It scares me because I know that Adderall is a "legal" form of Methamphetamine. I take it everyday and have had much success with it in terms of keeping my life organized and less chaotic.
Can someone tell me the real difference? I am fairly certain that the amounts ingested (via smoking, sniffing, etc) are significantly larger then the legal oral doseage of Adderall but is their really a difference? I should ask my doc too but interested in getting some input from folks.
Thanks,
Hbone
Heh! You read the Newsweek article too!I have the same concerns. Nothing much to share except I think it if it were truly awful our docs wouldn't be putting us on this stuff. Plan on asking my doc too. Interested in hearing responses to your post.
Just to be thoroughly obssessive about this, answering more than once is always welcomed by moi--you can NEVER be too thorough . . . [QUOTE=terrie]Davidornado: You da' man! You crack me up. I'm a Monday through Friday poster since that's when I'm chained to my computer at work, so sorry for the delayed response. Grazie mille, once again![/QUOTE] Speaking of crackups, I was ROTFLMAOOFL all weekend with these posts. Oh, some of them were serious, like when I found out my wife took my favorite guns and sold them without telling me. I should put on a CatSuit and scratch her for that. I was thinking of doing it to her jewelry. Maybe I'll play CatPong with her new kittens... Don't get btw a man and his kids or his guns...
So you only have AD/HD 5 days a week? How do you do that? I'm a 24-7 posterchild...
 Davisornado: I can see tossing out someone's pornography (if you're a girl) but sellng their favorite artillery seems harsh. Actually, it probably speaks well for you that she's not afraid you'll kill her & bury her in the backyard. I've never been scared of anyone in my life, but I fear what my rage-issued husband would do if I ever unplugged his computer while he was playing World of WarCraft. Anyway, yes, I am a poster-child for moisturizer, proper grammar (usually) and ADHD, but on the weekends I force myself to participate with my twin daughters & husband. Evenings, too. I'm officially a 9-6 poster novice. Apparently, I decided to change your Board name for you--it must have been the Aggie element in my mind (UCDavis--specializes in Agriculture & WineMaking). But I MUST KNOW: What does "ROTFLMAOOFL" stand for? I've got "rolling on the floor mad as" & I'm agog. Am I even close? [QUOTE=terrie]Yes, yes, all hail Trading One Addiction For Another. My currents are food, bulimia & young boys! Healthy, healthy. At least the latter stays in my head & I'm full well aware that this is NOT an Eating Disorder MessageBoard. I digress, please forgive me.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about Digressing, besides, this is an ADHDrr bored board, so it's ok to impulsively distract yourself... As for me, I like food food and ski ski and this Tapestry... and a Shiner once in a while.
[/QUOTE]THX! Here's a picture of me: 
Your spyder scares me, though.
[QUOTE=terrie]Davisornado:
I can see tossing out someone's pornography (if you're a girl) but
sellng their favorite artillery seems harsh. Actually, it probably
speaks well for you that she's not afraid you'll kill her & bury
her in the backyard. I've never been scared of anyone in my life,
but I fear what my rage-issued husband would do if I ever unplugged his
computer while he was playing World of WarCraft. Anyway, yes, I
am a poster-child for moisturizer, proper grammar (usually) and ADHD,
but on the weekends I force myself to participate with my twin
daughters & husband. Evenings, too. I'm officially a 9-6
poster novice. [/QUOTE]Good
thing I hid my pistol. I bolted a gun safe into the back of my desk,
where the light don't shine, but I can reach. Na, I won't shoot her,
just leave her. You know, it wasn't so much loosing the pieces, but it
was that she sold them for $200, and they were worth $2,000. I can
always get more. As a matter of fact, I want one of those that you can
only get in Arizona...By the way, why would a girl have porno?
Did I understand you correctly, that you have twin husbands and twin daughters? No wonder you're a poster child...
While adderall (i.e., dextroamphetamine), methamphetamine, and cocaine are all very similar in their methods of action (all of them function primarily by preventing dopamine reuptake), there are subtle differences in their chemical constitution that appear to translate into differences in terms of addiction potential; e.g., differences in receptor binding dynamics. But most of the difference actually has to do with the mode of administration. Simply put, the faster a drug hits your nervous system, the greater its effects, and consequently the more addictive it is.
The reason methamphetamine is highly addictive is that it's almost invariably smoked, snorted, or injected. All of these methods result in its effects being felt within minutes, typically resulting in an extreme high followed by a sharp crash. In contrast, it's much more difficult to become seriously addicted to a substance that's orally ingested. So, as long as you take your adderall the way you're supposed to (i.e., by mouth), there's really very little risk associated, other than mild to moderate side effects (long-term toxicity is generally not an issue). The reason adderall and other stimulants are considered to have a high abuse potential isn't that they're dangerous when taken as prescribed, it's that many people abuse them by taking them through other routes (e.g., snorting).
In short, unless you're planning to crush your pills and send them up your nose, you don't have much to worry about. Going off adderall might be uncomfortable and result in withdrawal symptoms for several days, but that's just as true for caffeine, and few people are concerned about the addictive potential of coffee!
LOL--sorry--I can't help it. You've personified the Adderall to the point of where I'm picturing it packing a suitcase & taking hiatus in my nostrils. I know it's not funny, & I , of all people, am not allowed to joke about abuse. Clearly, I need boundaries . . . also need to learn to fall asleep without a television on (NOT possible without--my brain goes into Hyper-Over-Drive).[QUOTE=Ahhh, that felt good. Davidornado is now back, who, after his HD moment,] [QUOTE=yeeehaawww! Now this is like, including, but not limiited to, a PowDay, a 540 Frontside Rodeo, Dyno-ADDDing! eh, terrie? who]Amen. To everything. I can't keep up with you.Yeah, that's what my wife said after 20 years of marriage. I said, don't try. I'll take care of us. But she's so controlling... That, of course, impresses me. OOohh, I impressed a woman! A lawyer woman, no less. Hey, I think your industry has the prettiest professionals in history. I do a lot of things that bring me into your world, so I know what I'm talking about. If I'm that attractive, you must be outgorgeously goodlooking. As if it mattered, really. But your twins must be, at least. Twin husbands is not a bad idea. Oh, yes it is. Now stop that. Can you imagine two of me in the world? There's people who bought my guns would kill themselves if there were... And if there were two of my wife, AAAAGGGGHHHH, I'd have two divorcees... But they would, of course, need to be fraternal. I was one in college. Alpha Omega. I'm unsure as to why a girl would have porno, but clearly I implied as much. And you're a lawyer. Look what I made you think! Ick. I'm glad you're nOrmal here. People think I'm gay I'm so friendly (I hope you don't live in NorCal, now), but I tell them I'm not, although my boyfriend is...NOT! I just thought that was always funny. I really like horses, though. NOt! I really like Ladies... I've always found what's left to the imagination is far more attractive than reality- Then I'll meet you in the dark...-shocking, In my reality, I'm 6'4, strapping, sodkicking, gun toting, toasty kind of cowboy. In anyone else's reality, I'm 5'8, kinda great (around the middle), and my daughter wanted to know why I have breasts now. And I like Latino Raeggeton, not to mention FOOD FOOD FOOD. Hey, that doesn't start with S, does it? There goes my hypo thesis. I know As Yoda once said "you will be". Spiders, I've always thought, were quite attractive,Live and let them live, I say, 'cuz they're my helpers. having been raised amongst Daddy Long Legs. I was born in Yosemite, and when I was growing up it snowed a lot more than it does now. Back then I remember snowfalls up to my strapping chest, or over my cowboy hat. Now, it barely snows over my knees... My husband is also terrified of arachnids. I sleep with them. Oops, not husbands, that is. Spydrrs. One of my other threads talked about that, in how I was pissed a/b loosing my ARrifle15, b/c I was born w/ a gun. Happiness is a warm gun, b/c it's picking up my body heat... That may have something to do with it. You're mean. You should love the twins' father... Which you do, I"m sure. You know what? This is driving me nuts. I can't think like this. I prefer your posts scattered about. I'm not used to staying in one place so long. So, long. So long. Right now, I have a legal messenger & a paralegal crawling all over me, my desk, my pens & my brain with their incredibly dim-witted (I'm now in "a mood") conversation. Sounds like you're infested. I HAD a gun for that... My front desk in this law firm is 35 feet long I got a chainsaw for that... & the foyer only about the size of a sprawling ranch style home RIDE'M COWGIRL! I like ranchstyle ribs, too... & they can't find it WHAT did they loose, now??? in themselves They lost it. WHERE?!?!? to move five freaking (thisis where I got the freakin' for ROTFLMAOOFL... used 2B ...LMAOOL, until today...
) feet from me? Ahhh, grasshoppa, izcuz y'all ssssoooo attractive! Like BBBBs to honey, young boys to female's attorneys (is that 'czu u have twin girls, and want boys, now? ) flies to (quit ...that!) I guess I should try to do that deep
breath thing, It's called CPR... but I simply can't You'd better breathe, O U B Daed... be bothered. Give me FOOD, I'll ask you for more tomorrow. Teach me to farm, and someone will ask me for food tomorrow. UC, that made me think of DavisOrnado... My ADDitude is
screaming Mine
got that way when I had to stay in this postoffice box for
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo
long. for humility Yours, or theirs?.[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Shoot (I'm pretty good at that), but can't any more.... Is there a law she broke? Or is she property in common protected? Cuz she sure ain't protected by my firearms no more....
Shoot, now I've run outa things to say. I do have a serious one, though. I'm representing myself in an ADHD discrimination case, b/c no local attorney would take my case. But in reviewing precedent, and labor codes, they violated the codes in the same way as racial, religious, or sexual discrimination. What do you know a/b Disability Discrimination in the workplace? I'll send you my complaint if I trust you.
Thanks! D
 I am absolutely the LAST person you'd ever want to ask for Legal/Forensic Advice. Analysis & Logic are NOT my stong suits. And although I wish I were, I am not an attorney--I just play one when I wear a suit to work. I am, however, a liar (BIG surprise--ins't that what telling stories is all about--I AM a writer)--obviously I did not have to leave as soon as I thought. Mr. Tornado--you are Crazy-Insane--and that's high praise from me. Okay, my boss-lady approach-eth. (I'm a lowly receptionist with too many useless degrees because I love school). [QUOTE=terrie]I am absolutely the LAST person you'd ever want to ask for Legal/Forensic Advice. Analysis & Logic are NOT my stong suits. I bet you're dyno Mite in wool suits... And although I wish I were, I am not an attorney--I just play one when I wear a suit to work. As long as it suits you... or is it "if the suit fits, wear it"? ...or is it "where is my suit that fits??? I am, however, a liar (BIG surprise--ins't that what telling stories is all about--I AM a writer)--obviously I did not have to leave as soon as I thought. YA, Right! Or was it Left? Or did you left? No, she didn't left, cuz she's still here... Mr. Tornado--you are Crazy-Insane--and that's high praise from me. Thanks. I like hi praise... Okay, my boss-lady approach-eth. (I'm a lowly receptionist with too many useless degrees because I love school).[/QUOTE]Oh, well, what the bell. Eye lyked skul, two. I lernt thinks their whey. Now I learn them my weigh.
Hey, we can pretend you're an attorney, eh? hehe. Le'ts play lawyer!!! I can get in trouble and you can defend me, cuz I can't defend me w/o my guns.
Can I get in trouble for pretending I'm a lawyer? I'm a Pretender, not a Liewyer. I don't know why lawyers make so much money, anyway, all you need is a computer and a little creativity. I point out as many laws as I ommit pointing out, right?
BTW, you aint lowly to me. I trust you now. :) To quote Inigo Montoya "Who are you, anyway? I've got to know you!" As Wesley responded, "I know something you do not know; I am not left handed, either!"
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Sorry, green's not my favorite color today, and that last reponse was one huge response, so don't take this out of context, it does relate to a postitnote around here somewhere.
[QUOTE=Davidornado] [QUOTE=Thorns4Life]OK - here we go again...another color added to the rainbow...OK - here we go again...another color added to the rainbow...How about orange...orange is not yet used... I have also omitted previous quotes that are not neces.[QUOTE=Davidornado] [QUOTE=Thorns4Life][QUOTE=Davidornado] [QUOTE=Thorns4Life]
IWhat's your body mass? I didn't think body mass was a factor? mine is 44.2 I thought you ment BMI - body mass index - mine is 44.2 as far as i know that is not mg/kg (not sure) mg/kg always is a factor. Your bod's gotta take it from stomach to brain, through a lot of tissue. And worry not, no balk, no talk, either... 
dont balk at that - its gone down 6+ % Good4U! What's your AD/HD severity? No offense, but if I compare to you I do not have any severity. Good thing we don't compare to me, eh? hehe lol then i would be untreated LOL How do you measure severity? Ask your dalk, or take an online evaluation. OH - I had taken an on line test a while back...I know it said I was the inatttentive type, and I think it did say hight severity..but i will have to check again now that i am aksed...just another excuse to get on the net and surf 
And do so as if you hadn't taken your meds. Otherwise, it's under the influence... I think I have gotten better over the last 8-10 years - I am not as implusive as I used to be butting into peoples conversation, and I catch myself most of the time before I try to "fix" peoples problems. I have learned to adapt like in church - I can only remember a sermon/service if I take notes -me2 it helps to retain, but even better I can go flip a page and quote what was said. Makes you look smart, too... LOL that could help illusion people..heck Einstine was a strang one, but VERY smart... humhhh why is that - the smarter one is the stranger they are... interesting.
I can keep a job, but 3yrs is the average before I move on... believe it or not, that's the national professional average, too. well then that puts me in the norm...except I am old fashioned and would love to have one employer for 20+ years, then retire....guess that is not needed in todays society when we can switch and do what ever, and advance elseware...guess that is my need for security... oh on average I move every 3 years also. Strange I think, but that will be changing...unless you want to buy? OH cant dot that either...too expensive to sell and try to buy a house again in my area...heck I can't even rent for the price I am paying my condo. So guess I will be breaking that ol' trait too. Either a lot of pros have AD/HD, or in this case, it's not a factor...
. I have to multi task in my job, every few minutes I am interupted in my work - the major work that is the main focus is interupted - I have to stop and answer questins and assist people with their work (they come to my office or call me on the phone, or email w/ their questions) I then have to search for the answer using our manuals, & books, can you digitize them and do word searches? I scanalot. Yes - we have some thnings on a PDF and he Manual on PDF that is great - I do pull out the binder too, but because I alread have what I need marked. As far as the books go, they need to be used, they are what we use to do our job. There is an on line tool we use to look up some things, but that is just a minor tool - It is switching from one interuption to another, then then trying to go back to where I left off, w/o having to RE-REAd it again, cause I cant remember what I was thinking about at that moment. etc then I can get back to my work which has a monthly demand, to only be interupted again by a few more people...this is on going throughout the day daily. I cant change professions, because it pays just enough to get by, what a/b hubby? Glad you are DavidO otherwise this might not get read 
I mass 220, ?? you mass 220?? Well, yes. I assumed your's was in kg, NO I was talking about BMI - and was going to calculater... can you believe i just said that!? See, that's what happens in my head... I skppp a round, then bring it together w/something missing. But! Its understandable... to me, at least... and hilarious...
. Do you mean your weight? Well, yes. How do you report it? Is yours not in kg? no it is LBS pounds for us americians... assumed u was one of us - but 44.2 is my BMI - aka morbid ob./Abbr. m (m
s) Physics. A property of matter equal to the measure of an object's resistance to changes in either the speed or direction of its motion. The mass of an object is not dependent on gravity and therefore is different from but proportional to its weight. On earth at sea level it is its weight. Not, Public celebration of the Eucharist in the Roman Catholic Church and some Protestant churches. Ok I am confused here not David? O, do I know your name? I hope you didn't tell me and I forgot...again u confused me DavO - was this your other persona making an appearence 
lol Ok I am confused here David? Yes? I'm severe, Ya, me2 DAvO U are blue and purpleish...u are answering urself ;) see what happens when we taste the rainbow. lol 
i wonder, then if my rx is not right for me, or if i need more, that seems to be that way the first part of my morning about 30-60 minutes after I take the rx - maybe it is also sleep deprevation -what's your sleep dep? Mine's 2-3 /day hours off nOrmal I sleep about 4-6 hrs because I wont go to bed - I also have sleep apnea which I am treated for, but some nites it still affects me. that is why i don't want to tweek w/ the rx if I am not doing what i should be doing. ask your dalktor other wise how could i truely say it was working properly or not. If you follow my ramblings, the latter it gets, the off nOrm I get.Yes I HAVE NOTICED thought you were way out, but also see your norms - errr medicated posts and your pretty clear headed and to the point w/ good input thx ur welcome
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Thanks for the thenical stuff...
Body mass index
The body mass index (BMI) is a calculated number, used to compare and analyze the health effects of weight on human bodies of all heights. It is equal to the weight, divided by the square of the height:
BMI=W/H squared.
Typically, the weight is in kilograms and the height in meters, and the unit kg/m2 is often left out.
what
LOL
i have never applied myself (because i didn't know it was ADD and thought I was just lazy, dumb, & no drive)
I didn't know I was ADHD until I was 32--all my life I had thought I was just brilliant & a prodigy. I cried for a whole day when I found out I was actually retarded with a "minimal brain dysfunction".
Oh, great! So having AD/HD is being retarded, wth minimal brain dysfunction? I represent that! For crying out loud!I thought I had maximal brain function, compared to what others can't do...
Let's agree with you--I think your answer makes much more sense!Okay. I like you agreeing...
You know, it really is a matter of perspective. AD/HDrs can do some things very very very well, much better than non-AD/HDrs. But, it's so easy to get distracted, it's like wasted.
What I've always wished was somebody to harness me, let me do what I do best, and they keep me on track, and do the stuff I don't do at all, or well at all, or at , or all, or stuff...
I may be a loose canon, or a wild stallion, but I'm offering myself to the harness, or the bridle, or the captiain. Just let me do the shooting, or the trotting, don't put me in a corral or a JAIL!
Know what I mean? Of course you do...
[QUOTE=Thorns4Life]
what was the topic again????????
LOL[/QUOTE]
I can't remember, but this is making me dizzy... :)
I had to run away when I saw that last post whole...
Too buzzzyyy...
Just wanted to say hi to everyone. I am new to this site and to the ADD scene, or at least new to knowing what was wrong with me! I love the fact that everyone said I was lazy and now I realize I had an excuse. Seriously though Im just glad to be able to control so much more of my life now, its a work in progess and it's one project that I am enjoying.
Hey Wolfb,
Are you sure there was something wrong with you, or were you just different, and not meeting others' expectations?
Sorry, that's a pet peeve of mine... I consider AD more of an ADvantage, than a whatever it was you said. Harness it, and you'll change the world.
Welcome to the Forums, BTW!
Postalot.
D
Adderall is a mixture of 4 amphetamine salts (Dextroamphetamine
Saccharate, Amphetamine Aspartate, Dextroamphetamine Sulfate,
Amphetamine Sulfate) which metabolize at different rates in order to
give you the energy without the spike and the crash like
methamphetamine.
Methamphetamine varies greatly from lab to lab, from recipe to recipe.
And you'd be surprised what that little methyl group can do to an
'amphetamine'.
For example, you've got dextro-amphetamine - found in Adderall
('dextro-' means 'right' and refers to the structure of the molecule, the
particular isomer used). Then you have meth-amphetamine, the
stuff that makes people act extremely retarded in large doses, the
production of which often results in explosions and environmental
pollution.
But then you have methylene-dioxy-meth-amphetamine, a.k.a.
MDMA or 'Ecstasy' - which ain't exactly great for getting your homework
done, but a hell of lot safer than 'meth' (everything in moderation, of
course) and just makes a person want to stay in and hug the couch.
(However, I would never want to risk mixing either one with the other.)
Simply because the chemical name has 'amphetamine' in it does not
mean Adderall is a legal, safe form of the street drug 'meth' at
all. The 'amphetamine' is just one part of a large complex of
molecules that can affect the brain in a completely different fashion with
the smallest alteration.
Magazines like Newsweek always tend to generalize facts and
sensationalize over-the-counter and 'Schedule I' drugs to the point where
they actually promote instead of inform the public about their dangers.
Whereas little Billy didn't know what that bottle marked 'Adderall' in
Mom's medicine cabinet was all about, after watching Fox News, he's got
a good idea and he wants to try them out.
Meanwhile, it makes it much harder on those who really need the
medication.
For example, the usage of Oxycontin and MDMA (which used to be legal
for psychotherapy until the mid-1980's) actually *increased* after the
media had their respective field days with those drugs just to boost
ratings. Politicians need their enemies, too.
So sure, Adderall makes you a bit more alert - but it's not a safe
form of 'meth'. That idea is wrong, factually and ethically.
Amen to all of that. I wish I would have said it. One point to clear: ADDerall is not a safe form of "meth".
ADDerall is a safe AD/HD medicine properly prescribed and used.
It is not a form of "meth" ADDall.
Ha! Mr. Ornado, you're as side-splitting as ever!Hi you guys, I happened on this thread becasue someone made a reference to David in another thread. Have to disagree David, I don't see it as a gift but my circumstances were probably the worst for someone w/ADHD and all my other conditions, syndrome etc. were in there too, though I'm sure some were brought on or worsened by the ADHD. I have lived most of my life not knowing what the hell was really wrong with me and at the end of a long list of problems there was always a big "loser" tacked on because why else would someone like me, someone with so much "potential" have spent their entire life gettling into bizarre situations and never accomplishing anything. I lived my entire in despair and the one month I took Adderall RX my brain behaved in an entirely different fashion. I even had some moments of happiness! I do have talents that I know are because of my ADHD and I use these in my job but a lifetime of failure and despair are not worth these talents, especially as I have never been able to really go somewhere with them or even use them to help people outside of my job.
I'm just waiting for Adderall to be put back on the shelves and I hope that it works the way it did in Feb......quite anxious about it actually or at least I think I am as the thought of it keeps popping up in the multitude of flotsam and jetsam hyperspeeding around in my brain.
[QUOTE=sabina]Hi you guys, I happened on this thread because someone made a reference to David in another thread.
Hi Sabrina! Welcome to the
Tapestry. Welcome your threads to this, too…
Soooo, ya’ll been talking a/b my
back behind me, again? Last time it was a gas!
Have to disagree
Your right, but you’re not right.
Ooohh, I like that couplet! Your right to disagree, that's the American Way. You're not right -- Have to disagree with your Have to disagree
David, I don't see it as a gift but my circumstances were probably the worst for someone w/ADHD and all my other conditions, syndrome etc. were in there too, though I'm sure some were brought on or worsened by the ADHD.
Are you so sure it wasn’t the other
conditions, syndrome, etc. that exacerbated the ADHD?
I have lived most of my life not knowing what the hell was really wrong with me and at the end of a long list of problems there was always a big "loser" tacked on because why else would someone like me, someone with so much "potential"
Like the rest of us. I was dxd @
42, after being fired, getting depressed, and going bankrupt. Talk about
successful ADHD consequences, eh? hehe
have spent their entire life getting into bizarre situations and never accomplishing anything.
Hey, spare the pity party; I like
whiskey parties in country music. Come on, you’re alive, right? Clothed? Home?
Family? Friends? You can type, write, communicate pretty well, and I bet you
are attractive, too! You can think, right? That is the key ultimate benefit we
as ADrs have: an ability to think beyond the boundaries of nOrmal people. Look
at all the inventors, explorers, discoverers, artists, leaders, etc. that had /
have ADHD. Look at all the AD/HDrs that ended up in prison or dead, too. What’s
the difference? Success was in recognizing their strengths, which you have by
your own testimony, exploiting those, and recognizing their weaknesses, and
mitigating them. Which are sounds like you’re focusing on, instead of handing
them off. There are plenty of people, help in the world that will allow you to
do what you do best, and others will stand in the gap. Who says we have to do
it all? You know who? WE do. We are so gifted, and able to do so much, and
really are the only ones that understand what we’re trying to do, that we FEAR
letting others help us, or FEAR letting go of our projects. Hey, but we need
help. We all need help. Even nOrmals, b/c they can’t do it all either, and they
surround themselves with others that can fill in their gaps. It’s like our
bodies, all our tissues can’t be our eyes, some have to phsyst the crap out of
us… So, we have different organs, and in society, we are a team. For future
breakthroughs, they need us. For daily living, we need them.
I lived my entire in despair and the one month I took Adderall RX my brain behaved in an entirely different fashion. I even had some moments of happiness!
Splendid!
I do have talents that I know are because of my ADHD and I use these in my job
Very GOOD!
but a lifetime of failure and despair are not worth these talents, especially as I have never been able to really go somewhere with them or even use them to help people outside of my job.
Have you been on a lifetime of
AD/HD mitigation coaching, learning, practices, medicine, etc.? All of these
things can make a difference.
I'm just waiting for Adderall to be put back on the shelves
???It’s never been on the shelves.
It’s always been a Cat I pharmaceutical available only via triplicate
prescription, from ANY doctor. Where did you find it on the shelves?
and I hope that it works the way it did in
Feb......quite anxious about it actually or at least I think I am as the
thought of it keeps popping up in the multitude of flotsam and jetsam hyper
speeding around in my brain.
[/QUOTE]The Normandy “D†Day invasion fleet looked
pretty much like a multitude of flotsam and jetsam, speeding around in the
David, I don't see it
as a gift I
know, a lot don't at first. Put on a new pair of glasses, like
ADDerall, and see the world differently. I think you have a gift, if
not the gift, that comes with your ADHD. It's just that's it's still
wrapped up in all the junk that needs to get flushed, or delegated.
That's why AD/HDrs should never marry one another, but we attract
ourselves like a boy to a girl. Sooo, look for ways to unwrap your
gift, and plug it in.
Hey, I wasn't
always this way. I've got a list somewhere in here that'll rival any
one else's. So, hop up, dust off, polish up, and go get 'em, gal!
We're here to chere you on, and here to hear, and hear to help, if possible...
[QUOTE=Davidornado] [QUOTE=sabina]I'm just waiting for Adderall to be put back on the shelves ???It’s never been on the shelves. It’s always been a Cat I pharmaceutical available only via triplicate prescription, from ANY doctor. Where did you find it on the shelves? [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Hey Mr. D - don't think you noticed - Sabina is from Canada and Canada has banned Adderall.... so they took them "off the shelves" to prescribe.
David -
You made me smile w/ your post to Sabina & I appreciate you taking the time to be serious w/ her and encourage her (gee, I hope she is a she, and not a he...other wise we both have offended her...er I mean him... 
- lol)
The first few post I had ever see from you were on the "you know your ADD is bad when..." & my first impression was - WOW - this guy is OFF!! I am normal compaired to him" lol - As I learn more about you through the postings, I find I was right!! You were off...off the meds LOL And when your ON, YOUR ON!!! You always give out great information w/ loads of encouragement & Side splitting laughter. Keep it up and keep posting.
I am glad I did not allow my first impression of you to be placed in a mold with a lable 
...HA!!! what am I thinking?!?!?! 
IMPOSSIBLE to place you in a mold, YOU DONE BROKE THOSE TOO!! 
T4L
Don,t call it "drugs",It's medication
.
Drugs sounds a bit harsh, but caffeine puts me to sleepzzzzzzz...by the way ,i havent had my second litre of coke yet,(not kgs) so I'm only partially lucid(ooohh
lluuusseeee....I'm hhooommmmeee!!!!!)and not properly medicated,ssooooo...wonder what david thinks???
[QUOTE=repairman]
Don,t call it "drugs",It's medication.
Drugs sounds a bit harsh, [/QUOTE]
I know It was intended as a joke. I used drugs loosely; cuz in the "normal" world when people act crazy like David, (and me) (no insult David you are unique) they generally are on "drugs" Because Davids normal world is a wild roller coaster ride, he needs "drugs" to help function and appear "normal."
Now isn't that just a wacky world we are in... people do drugs,and end up crazy and off the wall like us, and then we do drugs "meds" to try to be "normal" and function. UMHHHHHH!!
Hey here is a crazy idea 
- If the whole world would take drugs, we wouldnt' need Meds, cuz we would blend in w/ out a problem...
Hey, and why are things different in Canada? I thought they were our allies.
Do you know something I don't know?
I know something you don't know: I am not left handed...
 [QUOTE=repairman] Don,t call it "drugs",It's medication
.
Drugs sounds a bit harsh, but caffeine puts me to sleepzzzzzzz...by the way ,i havent had my second litre of coke yet,(not kgs) so I'm only partially lucid(ooohh
lluuusseeee....I'm hhooommmmeee!!!!!)and not properly medicated,ssooooo...wonder what david thinks???
By the way, Lucy, I thought you said you were at work...
You know what, Sunshine? I can't keep up with your colorfonting rainbows right now. I just had a fight with my wife and daughter, who's now fighting like my wife. "You are not my father!". Actually, sounds more like Luke than of Lucy. BTW, she called me a jackass, which I don't deny, but I took her SIM chip away for 2 days.
 [QUOTE=Thorns4Life]David?!!! Are you on drugs???!!!
[/QUOTE]Yes. Arenot you?
Why you edit your elf?
I wanna see what you see, see?
This was funny, but what if it were fun nier?
So too bad a/b Canadian ADrs. That's the problem with social medicine. They have to wait for years for non-threatening procedures, and if they're too old, they won't get Advanced Life Support. So, they come to USA and pay.
In re: to your last Qs, no, yes, no, yes.
I felt a cleaving in my mind,
as if my brain had split.
I tried to match it, seam by seam,
But could not make them fit.
The thought behind, I strove to join
Unto the thought before,
But Sequence ravelled out of sound,
Like balls, upon a floor.
Emily Dickinson (1864)
I think she had ADD before they discovered it.
I'm not yet sure about the bp, I do know that I used one of the pharmacy bp machines and thought "It must be broken",because it read 85/42 with pulserate of 54. Whats bad is I remember watching a popular t.v. show and the nurse screams"Dr.,, his b/p is 90 over 60.....WE"RE LOSING HIM"!!!
And on the subject of Emily, I've heard you can sing most of her poems to "The yellow rose ofTexas", try it.
I just copied and paste...guess it was beginners luck
And on the subject of Emily, I've heard you can sing most of her poems to "The yellow rose ofTexas", try it.[/QUOTE]LOL. I thought you meant hurricane Emilly...
And unfortunately I don't know
the yellow rose song. I like the Shiner Bock of Texas, but that's not a
song. It''ll make you sing, though. Even if you can't! And if your
freinds have had some, they'll think you were great!
About the bp, I take it at
Sam's Club, and I take it at home. I have two sphygnomanometers, and
they were within a few points of each other. Phsyt! maybe I am being
lost!~
Oh, I know. It's all this laughter. I hear it's the best medicine! I'm overdosed...
WE'RE LOSING HIM!!!
[QUOTE=Thorns4Life]What do you mean google myself?[/QUOTE]Sounds nasty, huh?Put another log on the fire
Cook me up some Bacon and some Beans
Bobbie Bare,Hard Time Hungries
—Leif Johnson, Garden Grove, CA
LOL. Now ROTFLOL! OMG! I can't believe me sometimes. Excuse me, I haven't had any in a while, I'm gonna go google myself!
Now I'm ROTFLMAOOL! Stop it! [QUOTE=Thorns4Life]What do you mean google myself?[/QUOTE]I promise I'll answer your Q this time. Go to www.google.com, and type in your name in the box.
Whew, I did it. Without doing it. Not google my elf, that is. Finished this post without loosing it.
[QUOTE=Thorns4Life]DAVE!!!! THATS A 4 LETTER WORD!!!!!! Carbos!! I have resisted all night...it is late, and just don't want to do it cuz I keep saying I am going to bed after this last post.... but now you planted a seed in my brain...umhhhh [/QUOTE]Shoot, now I am hungry again! I'll have me a cheese sandwich and chocolate milk. G'nite!
Have fun googleing yourself!
Wow, I come back a day later and it looks like you guys have
been partying all night. By the way, thanks David, I appreciate the post. I am
a female by the way and I have been on this board since March but changed my
username. I work at a school and I was paranoid that someone would do a google
on ADHD and get one of my posts. As I did.
Yes,
I will take what you said into consideration David. Now is not the best time in
my life (I have no idea what that means since everything is relative). Because
of "circumstances" (what a word!) I have ended up pretty well
isolated from the rest of the world except when I go to work (and I have
summers off and lots of holidays, lots of time to be alone), to the gym or to
see my psychiatrist (once a week). I used to have friends but here I am.
People at work or who know me casually would never believe the life I am
leading. I work very hard at maintaining a "normal" and even
extra together appearance. The only people who have any idea as to how
isolated I am are my doctor, my daughter (and I have started lying to her) and
my ex boyfriend (who I don't talk to) who lives next door to me (apt. building)
and who I work with and maybe his roommate who we also work with. As for
family, I have not spoken to family since 1995 and before we had only sporadic
communication for 20 years. I left home young and so much for that.
Like most people I do some things very well, like working out and eating well but
other things I fail miserably at like not self medicating and not
constantly focusing on all my defects and failures. At this time I am so self
conscious and down on myself others pick it up. I hate this because I know on
paper I have a decent life (except for the brain problem, eating disorder, body
dysmorphia, pms, depression, anxiety and the worst of all....I'm left handed!!!). I mean, there was a time when I could have
been burned as a witch so I should really relish being alive at a time where I
don't have to think about being burned at the stake because someone who doesn't
like me points the finger at me. I would be in trouble if that was the case!!!!
lolololololol
I do appreciate certain things, like riding my bike to work,
since I live in beautiful B.C. and I live across the street from the beach with
the mountains all around I always say thanks for being able to ride and enjoy
being outdoors(at least intellectually). Biking is good because you are forced
to stay in the moment or you die. Llike the moment I lost my wherewithal and
fell off my bike and broke my wrist. I was lucky a car didn't come along and
make me die or worse...end up in brain injury hospital. Maybe I should download
some coaching stuff and play it on my mp3 while doing chores. With the CBC on
strike I haven nothing to listen to anyway when I’m puttering around (that's
what medicated recluses do).
Yes,
I will take what you said into consideration David. Sure. Everyone's different, but so many have not heard how beneficial it can be. Just gotta know how to harness it. Now is not the best time in
my life (I have no idea what that means since everything is relative). Because
of "circumstances" (what a word!) I have ended up pretty well
isolated from the rest of the world except when I go to work (and I have
summers off and lots of holidays, lots of time to be alone), to the gym or to
see my psychiatrist (once a week). I used to have friends but here I am.
People at work or who know me casually would never believe the life I am
leading. I work very hard at maintaining a "normal" and even
extra together appearance. The only people who have any idea as to how
isolated I am are my doctor, my daughter (and I have started lying to her) and
my ex boyfriend (who I don't talk to) who lives next door to me (apt. building)
and who I work with and maybe his roommate who we also work with. As for
family, I have not spoken to family since 1995 and before we had only sporadic
communication for 20 years. I left home young and so much for that.
Like most people I do some things very well, like working out and eating well but
other things I fail miserably at like not self medicating and not
constantly focusing on all my defects and failures. At this time I am so self
conscious and down on myself others pick it up. I hate this because I know on
paper I have a decent life (except for the brain problem, eating disorder, body
dysmorphia, pms, depression, anxiety and the worst of all....I'm left handed!!!). (reading my maile, eh?) I mean, there was a time when I could have
been burned as a witch so I should really relish being alive at a time where I
don't have to think about being burned at the stake because someone who doesn't
like me points the finger at me. I would be in trouble if that was the case!!!!
lolololololol I get burned at the virtual stake. And the legal stake. And the job at stake. But I've learned how to Q back... (Q=BBQ=burn=fire=fight=firefight).
I do appreciate certain things, like riding my bike to work,
since I live in beautiful B.C. gottcha and I live across the street from the beach thought BC was Rockies? I'll go cheque a map with
the mountains me2 (mtn LADD) all around I always say thanks for being able to ride and enjoy
being outdoors physically: Cropdoc (ag's my bag) (I'm outstanding in my field) (at least intellectually). Biking is good because you are forced
to stay in the moment or you die. or survive. I've lost two bikes, but rolled with the punch: not a scratch: both times hit by a car Llike the moment I lost my wherewithal I found that the other day. Wondered where it came from! Want it back? and
fell off my bike and broke my wrist. oucH! I was lucky a car didn't (I was unlucky a car did) come along and
make me die or worse...end up in brain injury hospital. Maybe
that's why I'm ADHD. You know, brain injury is one of the ways of
catching it. But not in my case. I was AD b4 the acrobatics. Maybe I should download
some coaching stuff and play it on my mp3 while doing chores. With the CBC on
strike I haven nothing to listen to anyway when I�m puttering around (that's
what medicated recluses do)[/QUOTE]I knew it was wilderness up there, but, only one channel? You don't get NBC, or CBS, or ABC, or ADD? You ought to try ADHD.
Ah...yes David, I have cable alrighty. 56 channels and
nothing is ever on.
Don't watch TV except for when I'm stretching or an
occasional mood hits me. When I do its the Music channels or CBC
Newsworld (Canadian all news channel) or very infrequent movies. I listen to
CBC radio. Maybe you can listen some time; it is the best...smart, funny,
sassy, innovative radio. They have listeners from all over the world who tune
in all the time. They have a couple of shows where they call people and talk
about things like some guy's killer catfish in his backyard pond. I love
it. The corporation is trying to bust the union (what else is new, our
telephone company is on strike, the truckers were on strike and the teachers
have taken a strike vote). If they can ever resolve you should listen
sometime. And, no commercials!!! (hate them).
I feel lucky about my bike too as I slipped on ice a couple of years ago but
there were no cars around so I cracked some ribs, contusion on my leg and that
was about it. The biggest problem with these injuries is that they kept
me home from work and that meant more time alone!!!!
I go back to work in about 12 days after the summer off. I did do some work at
home and went in a few times for meetings but not the same. Now I have to
go into my big act again, big happy face, everything's great yeh, had a great
summer, had lots of fun.....,over time I have learned to watch what I say
(to the adults that is) which in my case means saying nothing cause no matter
how hard I try if I open my mouth to speak there is little chance I can
actually predict and control what is going to come out of it. Though, I
have to admit in the past I have provided some moments of enjoyment for people
as they have watched others gasp at something I have said. Everyone is so
bloody PC and lalaland is the worst! The mix of British hardwood up your
butt, Chinese straight face and saving face and west coast youth obsessed
(there I am) so called adults has created a not very good example for the
younger generation.
If the Adderall helps again I look forward to not having to use all my energy exerting
my will power to get through the day. I would like to use that energy to
have some adventures......I wonder how many people end up isolated cause of
ADHD? I never went on a forum in my life until after I went on the Adderall and I have been on computers for 15 years.
Don't watch TV except for when I'm stretching or an
occasional mood hits me. When I do its the Music channels or CBC
Newsworld (Canadian all news channel) or very infrequent movies. I listen to
CBC radio. Maybe you can listen some time; it is the best...smart, funny,
sassy, innovative radio.
When I could afford it, I did satellite radio. Not that it's that expensive, $20/mo?, but I was driving a lot back then, and now I'm not. With the 'puter available, I download music and listen to it over and over again. That way I don't have to listen to someone else's favorite music...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=sabina]I go back to work in about 12 days after the summer off. Good luck!
If the Adderall helps again I look forward to not having to use all my energy exerting
my will power to get through the day. I would like to use that energy to
have some adventures......I wonder how many people end up isolated cause of
ADHD? A
lot of people. Even on meds I want to be alone. Just me and my brain.
Well, I guess I like to party, too, and that's always with people. Adn
look at me now, I'm quite sociable here.[/QUOTE]So,
I don't know. Maybe sometimes I just want to be left alone so I can
finish something. Oh, I know, what we need is more hours in the day,
and more days in the week...
I like to have fun and party too, I just have a hard time
with people who are not nice!!!
This is it
Expecting people to like you because you are good is like expecting the bull
not to charge you because you are a vegetarian!
I look forward to socializing again before total cronedom hits.....its coming
up on the menu. And you sound like someone who would know how to have a good
time. But, mean people and delusional people know how to have a good time too,
they fit it all in...not that you seem mean, just wandering....can I ask
if you have made a lot of lets say, online acquantinces since you've been
posting? I read a few of your posts when I saw the original post from
someone else about you which realllly got me curious, I mean the Adderall
thread and meds thread are great for info but dead boring, much like the
message I'm typing right now!!
When I listen to CBC its usually not music, what they do on many shows
is play a tune or two during the show. I l was looking at CNN today
reporting on Katrina. Wow, scary stuff. Out here in lalaland nothing
bad ever happens to us on a big scale, we just kayak, hike, canoe and
beach volleyball our days away while the rest of the world deals with
all the yucky stuff.
Does anyone think that they have had to increase their dose of Adderall RX after taking it for some time?
I've met a lot of people online since I started posting July 23. Although There are 7104 forum members on 285 pages and you are on page number 2 , I've made acquaintences with several, and friends with a few. That want to be friends. Some don't. I don't think either of us know how to spell acquiantances.
As for being mean, I can be. Ask my wife. I don't think so. Just excitable. Hey, raise your voice at me, and I'll raise the rent. I mean the bet. I mean the volume. I suppose she thinks I'm also delusional, but I'm willing to attempt things others don't, b/c I have in the past, and succeed. Outrageously. So they think I'm grandiose, but that's their problem. I've made millions, but lost them all, too. It's just money. It'll happen again.
If I seem wandering, it's b/c I am. Very. Ramblin' Man. But with a purpose. A direction. A goal. But with many paths to get there. I'm on a Journey, I'm heading West. No straight road, a web at best. Kool! I should ADD that to my signature...
As for your last Q, I think so. I did, others have. Maybe not everyone, maybe not alot. Probably most, b/c dalks like to start their experiments small. Good luck, guinea pig... :0 I better go b4 I say something mean...
D Oh, darn. Didn't fit.
________________________
Dr If T i n g T h e r i f F
ADviHDornoR d'OrnadoDrenÂlÂtor
I'm on a journey, I'm headed West. No straight road, a web at best.
I do not suffer from ADHD, I rather enjoy every minute of it...
...it appears that those around me are the ones that suffer...
Hey Repairman,
Doesn't that sound like hurricane Emily?
Hey, I might typo acquaintances but I'm no guinea pig. I've been doing this dance w/the medical profession for so long I've learned that I know my body much better than them! (my mind is a different matter) But, with most drugs you take your chances...long term..well...eventual death anyway, unavoidable so might as well take a drug if it will get me out of here
"..and when I squinted the world seemed rose-tinted.." So . . . are we all going to die at a younger age because we take Adderall/XR ? I need to warn my twins . . .Yeah, we may die younger, but we'll get more done...
So, it's like living longer, eh? hehe
[QUOTE=sabina]Hey, I might typo acquaintances but I'm no guinea pig. I've been doing this dance w/the medical profession for so long I've learned that I know my body much better than them! (my mind is a different matter) But, with most drugs you take your chances...long term..well...eventual death anyway, unavoidable so might as well take a drug if it will get me out of here
"..and when I squinted the world seemed rose-tinted.." [/QUOTE]WAnna dance?
Hey, that's what I've said: we know our bodies reactions better than they do. I hate it when they suggest otherwise. I'm the one that's research trained, they're just doctors.
They only see me 10 minutes, and I have to live with me 24-7...
They are afraid their own shadow will sue them...
I had one dalk say Effexor does not increase blood pressure, so after 2 accidents and two weeks of high bp, I quit the stuff, then told him. He brought me in, and after chewing me out, took my bp, and sure enough, he immediately prescribed Indural, and changed the Rx to Sir Zone.
I ended up on Effexor two years later when they pulled the plug on the Zone.
 That is SO WRONG . . . waaaaaaaah
The above quote was in response to dying younger, etc.
Not David's last anecdote . . .
hey, who said anything about
dying younger???? As for the taking your chances ...sorry Terrie but I personally
think that's the way it always is but if it makes you feel any better we all
have a much better chance of going in a car accident (sheesh! no such thing as
an accident!) than by long term side effects of meds.
i will probably go in an insane fit of disbelief and utter frustration (read heart attack) from
either dealing with the people at work (especially the suits) or technology as
Dreamweaver is right at this moment telling me it cannot upload a file to my
server that it uploaded 20 minutes ago..ahhhhh!! I really want, need and desire Adderall….maybe
I’ll just go take some more Dexedrine…
[/QUOTE]???? Shamanese, please teach the padiwanlearner...???
[QUOTE=terrie]The above quote was in response to dying younger, etc.
Not David's last anecdote . . .
Can't you type faster? Must go faster...Must go faster...Must go faster...Must go faster... [QUOTE=sabina]hey, who said anything about dying younger???? As for the taking your chances ...sorry Terrie but I personally think that's the way it always is but if it makes you feel any better we all have a much better chance of going in a car accident (sheesh! no such thing as an accident!) than by long term side effects of meds.
i will probably go in an insane fit of disbelief and utter frustration (read heart attack) from
either dealing with the people at work (especially the suits) or technology as
Dreamweaver is right at this moment telling me it cannot upload a file to my
server that it uploaded 20 minutes ago..ahhhhh!! I really want, need and desire Adderall�.maybe
I�ll just go take some more Dexedrine
[/QUOTE]Here, have a dose or two of territornado, or davidattorney... Better for you anyhowwaywhatever...
So let me know if you need it.
However, I am still not left handed...
And it looks like I'll have to slow down a bit...
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Oh, darn. I just happened again.
Does this happen to y'all?
Hey! I know CPR!
So let me know if you need it.
However, I am still not left handed...
And it looks like I'll have to slow down a bit...
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I think you need an Adult.
(this is not fill-in-the-blanks)heY! I took ADDult XR this morning.
better yet:
Take two ADDults, drink plenty of FluiD, get plenty o'rest, and call me in the morning....
You never disappoint, Mr. Ornado. However, I do, & that's why I have yet to respond to your private messages. I will very soon--I promise. I just have to vaccinate a staff of seventy attorneys first. Hang tight.Careful, don't get me goin' ...
...I may just happen...
...again...
Don't get you going on what, exactly ? I'm Curious George.I'm Making Money. In the basement . . learning to print?No, in the green fields, growing 'green'.... You're kidding, right? I guess I should only be concerned if you were in the closet full of flourescent lighting & hydroponics.
Nah, I like growing au-naturaul...Using foto sin tesis
(Espanol para phososynthesis)
Very good for you. See you today sometime when you wake up.
hey guess what guys adderall is not far from meth its when you SNORT it that it make the difference when you take it its nothing but if you crush it up and snort it than you get the same twacked feeling as you do from meth im suprised you didnt know that and yes its very addicting dont think that doctors wont prescribe you addicting sh*t cuz they will. go head and try to quit it and see if you can....you cant can you? thats right cuz its addicting but your better off without so f**k it alright peace out.In case you guys didnt know, they make legal FDA approved methamphetamine pills used for treating adhd and a few other disorders. The pill is called Desoxyn and it is treated like a cloak and dagger drug everywhere. Few ppl have even heard of it and others are scared of it because of its demonization due to illegal meth labs but Desoxyn can be a very positive treatment medication for those ppl who do not respond to Dexedrine, Adderall, Ritalin, etc.
[QUOTE=Shaggy]Thorns4Life
It is strange how different people metabolize their meds...one person told me they bounce off the wall with only 20 mg and they have about 30 ilbs on me. I take 60 mg of adderall XR, I think at times that I may require more but have the same fear of addiction. At my present dosage I have no side-effects other than a reduced appetite and only positive effects on the ADD. So I am going to talk to my doctor about it.
I am not sure that an ADDer would realize the addiction because you could rationalize the use/abuse of the adderall as necessary to keep your neurochemicals balanced. The only safeguard from abuse is your doctor because they have to reissue the prescription every month. Of course the addict will invent ways to get around it...so they can obtain what they need.
[/QUOTE]Doctors dont like to give out adderall in higher dosages i've been trying to almost a year to get my dr to give me 100mgs a day
he and two others told me there is on proof that anything over 80mgs is going to be more effective. I tried telling one doctor that it doubled for me as an anti-depressant and he said he would consider it but he told me the next day that he couldnt find anything anywhere saying that it doubled.
as for addiction here are some numbers that may not mean anything until the end.
24
7
168
20
4
80
30
120
2400
343
14
you're probably scratching your head saying where is this going??
so i'll write the numbers again but this time give labels
24 - hours in a day
7 - days in a week
168 - hours in a week
20 - mgs per tablet
4 - number of tablets per day
80 - total mgs per day
30 - days in a month
120 - pills in the bottle
2400 - mgs of adderall in a new bottle
343 - average mgs i was using per day
14 - average mgs i was using per hour
I was awake for just over 168 hours. I experienced to my knowledge only two side effects, insomnia and decreased appetite. Along with not sleeping for 168++ hours I didn't eat during this time either. Believe it or not the come down wasn't too bad. I slept for 36 hours with minuscule periods of being awake to eat. I was probably awake for 20 minutes during the 36 hours.
So how did I get away from the addiction that I was lured into in only a couple of days?? Two things. The sleep allowed me to metabolize the adderall that remained without anything stimulating the remains that could possibly intensify it, such as caffine or nicotine. The other was lack of supply. I couldn't get more from my dr, I tried that one.. and I was the only one selling it at the time.
If you think you are addicted then tell your doctor to put you on something else..
If you worry about the potential risk of addiction: It's not that hard to get away from it. Xanax on the other hand is....
Hey, I think you need to add a line to your equation! There ain't 20 mg of active ingredient in 20 mg of Adderall....I think it's more like 12 mg active ingredient in 20 mg. for what it's worth......If your an adult with a developed body and brain, then do as you please with your health and well being.
If you are a parent then you have to be out of your mind to put a drug that is mentioned in the same sentence with crystal meth, into you child's body. try knocking off the ball park franks, and mac n cheese, ding dongs and soda.
Is there really a problem with your child for not being able to stare at a black board in a 20x20 room for 6 hours. maybe they need to go for a nature hike and learn about different plants and animals along the way all while becoming tiered from the long day of energy burning sub cardio exercise. oh wait they do get 20 minutes for play, so never mind just keep them on the pharmaceutical meth. After all they are the ones with the problem not you, right?
Who mistreated you as a child?
After all, it sounds like you got the problem, not they...
Well no one has answered this question completely correctly. There is so much folklore about drugs and misinformation so its not suprising, even your doctors explaination was off. Here are the facts.
Methamphetamine, perscribed in the United States under the trade name It is by-the-way sold as a perscription drug in the United States under the trade name Desoyxn® is different from amphetamine in the fact that it last about twice as long in the body. This is because the body's first metabolisim turns it from methamphetamine to amphetamine which has to be further broken down before becoming less psycoactive. Unlike most drugs the majority of drugs-all forms of amphetamine pass mostly unchanged out of the body. Another difference is that methamphetamine is twice as strong per mg as Amphetamine. It also causes more euphoria. This is only partlydue to the way it is ingested. Methamphetamine has a lower boiling point than the other amphetamines. The other amphetamines boiling point is below or only slightly above the temperature where the drug starts to decompose, therefore methamphetamine is the only smokable from of amphetamine. You doctor was a bit confused(or maybe telling you in a way that he thought you would handle the best), the other chemicals found in cladestinely manufactured meth do not increase the high, in fact almost of meth on the street is diluted by being cut with MSN (a bolvine suplement) that melts and smokes like meth but is much cheaper to obtain, this is so the drug dealers make more money. One thing is for sure, the people who make street meth are not chemists and the drug contains large amounts of dangerous by-products and impurities, some of which are very carsenogenic(causes cancer).
The body fights strongly against euphoria (you would get eaten in the jungle if you were so high you didn't care about a thing, so this is evolutionary) so you basically have to shock the system into euphoria by ingesting large amounts at once. This is due to the fact that the body's tolerences for different effects of any amphetamine come in at different onset times. Thats why you may have felt euphoria from Adderall when you first took it but soon after that was greatly reduced. The effect of appetite suppresion for example takes longer to build tolerance to.
Smoking or shooting up gives a high that is quite different from snorting or oral injestion. It is an immediaty high, strongly sexual (but paradoxaly for men cause loss of ability for an errection) it is a rush of dopamine that feels like you just won the lottery.
Because of the long duration of methamphetamine it is not a good choice most of the time for treatment of ADHD/ADD because you need the drug to end its effect at night so you get a good nights sleep. I personally belive it is only kept legal for perscription in the US because it is very effective to give to pilots for a long haul and to soldiers for indurance, it would be very hard to find a doctor that would perscribe Desoyxn to an adult or even to childeren. The nazi's used it, giving it in the form of chocolates to pilots, hitler reportedly got daily multiple injections of methamphetamine daily, the japanese (also the discovers of meth) also used it during the war, and would give injections to induce euphoria for kamakaze missions. Its long duration also makes it dangerous for abusers. You can stay up for weeks if you keep taking it, but eventually the seritonin (which is only partially stimulated by meth) levels become low and the dopamine, norephinephrine stay high and this is the state is brain is in in scizitophrenia and psycosis. Because the abuser is feeling nervious and alert but also has the feeling that one gets when something is wrong. When they try and find an external reason for the internal feelings of uneasiness that when paranoia becomes an issue and people become detached from reality.
Adderall is a mixture of amphetamine HCL and dextroamphetamine HCL both with relatively quick onset and short (4-5+- duration) and two othe salts of amphetamine and dextroamphetamine that the body takes longer to break up (the drug has to seperate from its salt form to be active in the body) this is why even imediate release Adderall has an extended and plateaued levels in the blood. Adderall XR is just a way to extend the patent on the drug to the greedy pharmacetical companies can make more money.
So while your doctor has the facts wrong, he was right about the fact that illicit street use of meth is a different ballgame than theripeutic doses of Adderall. Also don't forget when you have ADD/ADHD you react different from drugs than non ADD/ADHD people. This is why Benydryl and sometimes Codine make ADHD patients more hyperactive while is usually sedates most people. Of the people who abuse meth, the ones that keep thier sanity and are functional while using (at least until it catches up with them) are ADD/ADHD.
So that's the answer to your question. I don't belive anything I 'hear'people say about drugs to be the truth because I 'heard' it by the way, I get all my information from Encyclopedia's, medical journals, and published perscribing guidelines for doctors. (Don't let my poor spelling throw you off, I think spelling is quite bourgeiose)
Childhood was good, I don't think a person needs to be hurt to see that the current education system focuses far to much on classroom book education, excluding to a large degree physical, emotional, social, and hands on education. Thats not say that text learning dose not have its place, i just think that it should be 35-45% of our education, not 90-95%.
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News
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"Canadian regulators have suspended sales of the once-daily version of Adderall, a popular drug used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Health Canada said the drug carries a risk of sudden death in children. Later, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an advisory about the drug."
Really... some kids just need to use there hands, and or get outside. How would anyone feel as a parent, if there child was having heart a valve replaced at 38 because of the drug they gave them in the morning before school so they could get a better grade on a meaningless Quiz. some people make better nature guides, artists, Carpenters, landscapers, musicians, mechanics and so on. No need to give kids risky drugs just because they are unfocused in class. Seems to me people are still smart and still stupid, some do well and some fail in the system; so why all the risk? This country is getting very lazy and we turn to a pill any time we have a problem, physical, mental, or emotional. Try to remember prescription drugs sales are well into the billions, and there the same ones paying for legislation and often the providers of funds for college medical text books (connect the dots)Well methamphetamine is far stronger than adderall, they are both
amphetamines yes, but not the same thing. I know this because as far as
sleepless nights it's very hard to stay up 2 nights in a row on adderal, and
would require quite a bit of it. With meth staying up for 4-5 days is fairly
easy depending on how it is ingested and how much is available. Adderall is
also far less addicting because and doesn't induce as much euphoria as
meth. Originally i tried them months apart and i didn't notice a difference,
except maybe more concentration with adderall, meth left me jumping from
task to task. later on i tried them both within hours and a difference was
crystal clear. I believe adderall good for the body, but it isn't overpowering
like meth.
Just a follow up to my original posting on the difference between meth & Adderall. I spoke with doc office this afternoon.
They assured me that there is a significant difference between the 2 drugs due to how it is made. Meth "users" combine a variety of over the counter cold meds (pseudo ephidrine, etc) as well as a number of other chemicals to induce a high. It would basically be the equivalent of taking adderall times 10. While adderall & a few other ADD stimulants are pure amphetamine, meth contains various other properties which enhance the high & can severly damage its users (both mentally & physically). While Adderall can be addictive in large/unprescribed doses, I am told that their is a significant difference in using one legally vs the other. That is my only update. Hope it helps.
Hbone
Methamphetamine rocks beats the pants off ritalin.... can't comment on adderal...ADDerall is a combination of two CNS stimulants: amphetamine, and dexidrine, which is really just dextroamphetamine. A good powerful stim, legally the strongest for ADHD.Meth labs produce non-human consumption quality methamphetamine. Same active ingredient, plus a lot of impurities. Can kill.
There is a black market for ADDerall & Ritalin, b/c they are pure, and can be tank mixed with other OTCs for various experiences.
Soooo, lock down you meds. They aint' for fooling around. Tell your kids that, and make sure an adult adminsiters their meds, b/c it has been known that they'll sell a tabl for $2-4 and make some dough.
Wow - I find this all interesting. Davidornado You have a wealth of info here (I have seen other postings too)
Thorns4Life
It is strange how different people metabolize their meds...one person told me they bounce off the wall with only 20 mg and they have about 30 ilbs on me. I take 60 mg of adderall XR, I think at times that I may require more but have the same fear of addiction. At my present dosage I have no side-effects other than a reduced appetite and only positive effects on the ADD. So I am going to talk to my doctor about it.
I am not sure that an ADDer would realize the addiction because you could rationalize the use/abuse of the adderall as necessary to keep your neurochemicals balanced. The only safeguard from abuse is your doctor because they have to reissue the prescription every month. Of course the addict will invent ways to get around it...so they can obtain what they need.
Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Another member was puzzled as to why Ritalin was making him itch. I'm glad to see I'm not the only person to tell them it's just somewhat healthier, legal Methamphetamine. Having used both, unfortunately, I'm hesitant to go back on Adderall, or any med, for fear of the same result when I stopped using either stimulant--illicit or not, to medicate: Screwing up my metabolism so badly that I gain over 2O lbs. when I discontinue. I know it's vain--but I have to be honest in order to prevent other unattractive reactions to weight gain that makes me feel very uncomfortable. I'm not on anything now (for over 2 years), but still have the hyperfocus, episodic explosions & emotional outbursts. But the aforementioned is why I'm reluctant to medicate. Anyone else on this topic?[QUOTE=Thorns4Life]Question - how would an add'er be addictive when it is use as intended and needed to regulate the chemicals in the body, and this is something that needs to be continued.
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Good question! I talked about just this with a pharmacist who is knowledgeable about drug dependancy and dexedrine. He tells me that at the doses legally allowed for dexedrine the chances for a physical dependancy - i.e. you become where removing the meds causes physical withdrawl - is nearly nil. That's why there's a cap on how much per day and recommendations for drug holidays to see if there's any problems.
However - there's the problem with psychological dependancy - the mind becomes dependant on the feelings of well-being that come with the meds. That's what many experience - coming down off the meds can cause the person to become tired, irritable and wanting to take more to get back to the good feelings. That can come at any level of the meds - and usually with people prone to addictive behavior. No getting around that one - and I can see how not feeling as good as I do would tempt anyone to want more.
If someone goes over the threshold for the meds without supervision and permission they'll get what they deserve. There's limits put there for a reason and abusing the meds gets no sympathy from me at all.
[QUOTE=Thorns4Life]Wow - I find this all interesting. Davidornado You have a wealth of info here (I have seen other postings too) Yes, it's one of those quirks of nature, not that I claim to be, but others make the claim for me... I just understand very well chemicalbiologybiochemistryorganicchemistrygeneticsphs yiology etc. Should've been a MendiCant, but although pre-med peer pressure put me in pre-med school, I didn't make the GPA cut (too distracted to keep a 4.0; in particular I didn't like 08:00 classes, so took strong hits in Physics : D. Prof'd pop quizes on us that were due 08:05, no make ups. I made up for it in Lab, though, blowing one out (not up) and giving the school a half day holiday.
So I made up some lame ADHD excuse, saying I didn't really want to go to med school anyway, b/c I want to work outdoors, which was true, so I became a cropdoc, and work outdoors. I make more money than most doctors, and get sued just like them, too. Sometimes I make more money than lawyers, too.
My name is Pancho, I work on a rancho, and earn 5,000 per day. My lawyer is Lucy, she saves me from noosie, and takes all my dollars away.
The interesting thing i find is how a drug can affect people
differently. I take 40mg adderal in am and 20mg in afternoon. &
to be honest, I don't even feel a thing, to where i question if I am
getting a placebo (I know I am not) Yet if you were to give this drug
to a person who does not have ADD/ADHD and it would stimulate them.
Think
of the inside of your head not as a moist, dark, grey matter writhing,
electons pulsing, pulpy region, but like your face (don't look for your
innerchildren, cuz they're on summervacation...).
Now look at someone else.
Does their brain look like your face?
Or does your face look like their brain?
Or does your face look like their face?
Or does their brain look like your brain?
This is your friend's face:
This, is your friend's brain:
>>>###~~~}{}---{}{***>>>&&&^^^>>>+++$$$???
This, is your friend's brain on your friend's face:
>>>###~~~}{}---{}{***>>>&&&^^^>>>+++$$$???
This, is your brain. >>>~~~???}{}{}{***###>>>^^^>>>+++ ---$$$&&&
This, is your brain. >>>~~~???}{}{}{***###>>>^^^>>>+++ ---$$$&&&
This, is your brain. >>>~~~???}{}{}{***###>>>^^^>>>+++ ---$$$&&&
This, is your face:
This, is your brain on your face:
>>>~~~???}{}{}{***###>>>^^^>>>+++ ---$$$&&&
This,
is your brain on medication:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>>>
I am actually thinking my dosage needs to be higher, but
concerned of going to much and becomming addictive - Question - how
would an add'er be addictive when it is use as intended and needed to
regulate the chemicals in the body, and this is something that needs to
be continued.
I
am actually thinking my dosage needs to be higher, too. But I'm not
concerned of going too much, because I'm already addictive (not to
meds, I can quit anytime, already have 13 times), as a matter of fact...
...I'm a cereal addict. I trade one addiction in for another...
...I'm a cereal addict. I trade one addiction in for another...[/QUOTE]
LOL - ok we all probally have our addictions... mine right now is the computer Me2 5 hours/day- I am on this thing for hours after work, for me it is an AWESOME source of INFORMATION HIGHWAY.... and probally perfect PERFECT!!! keep many projects going at once, no trouble following through, as long as you save once in a while for my ADD mind, cause I can switch screens I set up 2 laptops side by side, w/ 12 programs running, and 20 files open... as fast as I think... lol - when I had cable I used to watch 3-4 channels at a time me3
flipping the remote - didn't think much of it until now and thinking
about ADD. I could easly be a couch potato when I had cable, but
i guess it makes sense, cause it was the right stimulation for my
mind... (ok got off track...lol - or not even to the point..but you
guys under stand.... RIGHT?
-- Golly GEE!!! don't even remember my point...guess would be a good poste for .. you know your add is bad...
Since I am a new babe to ADD treatment, when should one decide they
might need to switch drugs? I know we are all different, but are
there some out there that need to switch between rx's a few times a
year? Keep
an eye on your productivity and focus, if you see changes, see Dalktor.
Keep an ear on your loved ones. When they see changes, duck.
I ask because the 1st 2 months of adderal I was doing AWESOME in my
work performance, organzing my home and keeping up on the house
cleaning, and people at work were noticing the change, but now things
have come to a lull and I have no drive again. Your bod started learning how to metabolize the active. Possibly time for a new dose, or a tank mix.
The only benifit I think I am seeing is the racing thoughts are no
longer there, the impulse controll is WAY better, and my appitite is
suppressed and i no longer over eat and eat out of stress and
Boardom. Those benifits are awesome and if this is all i will
ever have, I will continue the rx. Two
other key symptoms for me: 1) Creativity cycling? 2. Appetite,
specially carbos, craving? 3. Money problems? 4. Staying up late on web
at ADHD boreds...
I am thinking lack of sleep might have a major effect on my
concentration- last 2 months havent been going to sleep until 12:30am -
1:30 am and get up at 6am 6 days a week, and the other day I get about
5-6 hours also. Lack of sleep a problem. Dalk's got me on Ambien to make up for that. Very important to sleep, perhaps, to dream....
Does self discipline come any eaiser when on meds for ADD/ADHD? Yes.
and how much am i to expect, or have to work at. Right now I am
thinking a lot of this is truely an discipline issue and if I "set my
mind to it" I would see better benifits. Great thoughts, but without execution they are just a good idea.
OK - better end here before you all stop reading and dont reply
- GEE- another part of the ADD I hate....over analytical and TOO
MUCH UNECESSARY detail. Don't hate it, exploit it. Analytical is good in some careers. Detail is killer to pilots, so don't hate it, exlploit it...
Thanks! You are welcome...
Okay, I'm a dork once again & can't read the posts straight--Thank you so much Thorns4Life--genuinely appreciate the support. I sit at a desk all day to only answer phones & out of complete boredom I will eat to have something to do then I am so full you can guess what has to happen next in order for me to be comfortable/function. You have given me a sliver of hope that it will help to curtail my "Boredom Bulimia". And the self-discipline aspect--what a dream come true--I'm not holding my breath--still have to get the doc to agree, but what a Cherry-On-Top/Icing-On-The-Cake kind of thing! And by the way, I 'm one of the ADDers who firmly believe that NO detail is unnecessary!
Thx, again!
Knowledge: I wouldn't worry too much about that aspect from someone who has been on both--it just has to be monitored. Itching can be a side effect--for me only with the illicit meth--but there's so much toxin in the non-Rx you can't help but itch as your body runs rampant trying to clear the deadly additives from your system. Don't forget--you (probably) have ADD (which I assume is why you're here) so your body is like "allowed" to have this "legal Meth" because you/we are wired differently & we need it to even out/achieve a desired balance--well, if there IS such a thing--or as close as we can get.
Balance is completely foreign to me--I'm always making the extreme decision one way or another. I assume that self-discipline issue comes in to play here, as well.
Could I be any more obssessive about whom I'm addressing/responding to here? Guess I was right the first time, DavidOrnado, didn't trust my instincts--it sounded like you/should have known better, yada, yada, yada . . . like it matters.
But in case you're still there, what specifically is a tank mix--different meds used simultaneously?
Thx in advance for any responses.
ADDERALL
TABLETS (Shire US)
5 mg, 7.5 mg, 10 mg, 12.5 mg, 15 mg, 20
mg & 30 mg
TABLETS
AMPHETAMINES
HAVE A HIGH POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE. ADMINISTRATION OF AMPHETAMINES FOR PROLONGED
PERIODS OF TIME MAY LEAD TO DRUG DEPENDENCE AND MUST BE AVOIDED. PARTICULAR
ATTENTION SHOULD BE PAID TO THE POSSIBILITY OF SUBJECTS OBTAINING AMPHETAMINES
FOR NON THERAPEUTIC USE OR
DISTRIBUTION TO OTHERS, AND THE DRUGS SHOULD BE PRESCRIBED OR DISPENSED SPARINGLY.
DESCRIPTION
A single entity amphetamine product combining the neutral sulfate salts of dextroamphetamine
and amphetamine, with the dextroisomer of amphetamine saccharate and 6,
I-amphetamine aspartate.
|
EACH TABLET CONTAINS |
5mg |
10mg |
20mg |
30mg |
|
Dextroamphetamine
Saccharate |
1.25
mg |
2.5
mg |
5
mg |
7.5
mg |
|
Amphetamine
Aspartate |
1.25
mg |
2.5
mg |
5
mg |
7.5
mg |
|
Dextroamphetamine
Sulfate USP |
1.25
mg |
2.5
mg |
5
mg |
7.5
mg |
|
Amphetamine
Sulfate USP |
1.25
mg |
2.5
mg |
5
mg |
7.5
mg |
|
Total
amphetamine base equivalence |
3.13
mg |
6.3
mg |
12.6
mg |
18.8
mg |
Inactive
Ingredients: sucrose, lactose, corn starch, acacia and magnesium stearate.
Colors:
ADDERALL 5 mg and 10 mg contain FD & C Blue # 1
ADDERALL 20 mg and 30 mg contain FD & C Yellow #
6 as a color additive.
CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY
Amphetamines are
non-catecholamine sympathomimetic
amines with CNS stimulant activity. Peripheral
actions include elevation of systolic and diastolic blood pressures and weak bronchodilator and respiratory stimulant action.
There is neither
specific evidence which clearly establishes
the mechanism whereby amphetamine produces mental and behavioral effects in
children, nor conclusive evidence
regarding how these effects relate to the condition of the central nervous system.
INDICATIONS
Attention
Deficit Disorder with Hyperactivity: Adderall is indicated as an integral proof of a
total treatment program which
typically includes other remedial
measures (psychological, educational, social) for a stabilizing effect in children with behavioral syndrome characterized by the
following group at developmentally
inappropriate symptoms: moderate to severe distractibility, short attention
span, hyperactivity, emotional lability, and impulsivity. The diagnosis of this
syndrome should not be made with
finality when these symptoms are only of comparatively recent origin.
Nonlocalizing (soft) neurological signs, learning disability and abnormal EEG may or may not be present, and a diagnosis of central nervous system dysfunction may or may not be
warranted.
Amphetamines may also be used in the treatment
of narcolepsy.
[QUOTE=Davidornado] [QUOTE=terrie]Not eating out of boredom AND self-discipline?? I was just so affected by your reply, DavidOrnado, that I just called my husband & he finally agreed that if I was up-front with my prescribing doctor that he would let me use stim meds as long as the doctor monitored me. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!![/QUOTE]Aaaahhh, shucks, I thought it was my good looks...
[/QUOTE]You know you are ADHD when you answered this one yesterday already...
[QUOTE=david sort of did, but really terrie]Could I be any more obssessive about whom I'm addressing/responding to here? Guess I was right the first time, DavidOrnado, didn't trust my instincts--it sounded like you/should have known better, yada, yada, yada . . . like it matters. You shouldn't have trusted your instincts, I still think you were right the second time, but it was actually about the 5th time that I really believed that, b/c during one of the times, I actually quit trying to figure it out.
I think, therefore I'm ADHD, I think.
You know what it really is? I figured out how to get in your head and really messed us both up...
You know how I did that? By figuring out how to get into these
s. Here, check this out: 
But in case you're still there,
what specifically is a tank mix--different meds used simultaneously? Yup. An aggie concept: mix more than one pesticide at once, and you save yourself an extra trip.
Thx in advance for any responses. You're welcome,
!
Davidornado: P.S. I'm sure your good looks have everything to do with it--you're already so attractive!
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